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Postby Tomas » Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:59 am

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Converting non-Jews vital for Israel's future
Israel Jewish Scene, Ynetnews

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Immigration and Absorption Ministry recommends establishment of new conversion authority in attempt to help olim complete conversion process, encourage an increase in applicants
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 917,00.htm.
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Re: Converting non-Jews vital for Israel's future

Postby BMcGilly07 » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:15 am

As was discussed elsewhere in another thread, Jews are of a culture, not a race. This article claims that the conversion of immigrants coming to Israel to the jewish faith is necessary for Israel's survival. That is a no-brainer to me. As a state founded on a single culture based entirely on Judaism, it would be a harmful blow to the state's integrity if an influx of immigrants diluted the sovereignty and strength of the jewish state qua jewish state.
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Re: Converting non-Jews vital for Israel's future

Postby Faust » Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:13 am

this is insane. First of all, Judaism is a religion, not a fucking culture. Second, the fact that Israel uses CONVERTS to support itself proves how ricidulous and criminal that rogue state is.
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Re: Converting non-Jews vital for Israel's future

Postby Leyla Shen » Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:37 am

Faust wrote:this is insane. First of all, Judaism is a religion, not a fucking culture.*


Well, to me, it certainly looks as much like a fucking culture as SM/B does. :)

It’s both a religion and a religious culture, Faust. Is there a problem with that?

Faust wrote:Second, the fact that Israel uses CONVERTS to support itself proves how ricidulous and criminal that rogue state is.


Yes. But, also, it proves that Judaism is a religious culture, with all its traditional and cultural baggage.

*In another thread, you wrote:

it matters where we come from on a genetic basis, as so many of our characters, abilities and traits are genetically determined. The problem I have is that many Jews today aren't a descendant of Jacob, which makes Zionism and the country of Israel a criminal organization and a rogue terrorist state.


This seems to imply that there is a form of Judaism that is not religious. Even if you were to find a bloodline proceeding from Jacob, what exactly constitutes its “Jewishness”?
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Murdered Children of Gaza (many photos)

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Murdered Children of Gaza

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http://israeliaggression.com/category/photos


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Jewish Opposition to Zionism

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The Long-and Largely Untold-History of jewish Opposition to Zionism

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Members of the ultra-Orthodox and anti-Zionist Neturei Karta (Guards of the Walls) join a Nov. 6, 2007 demonstration in Jerusalem against the city's policy of demolishing Palestinian homes. (see photo)

http://www.wrmea.org/archives/December_ ... 12054.html
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186 children and 61 women

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186 children and 61 women (see photo)

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At approximately 9:30am on Sunday, 11 January 2009, an Israeli aircraft fired a missile into a crowd of children who were near the Olo al-Azm Mosque in the north of beit Lahia, killing the four of them, three girls and a boy. They were identified as:

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http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10173.shtml
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Editor of Egyptian Government Daily: The New Axis of Evil

Postby Tomas » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:37 am

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Editor of Egyptian Government Daily: Hamas, Syria, Iran - The New Axis of Evil

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"This shows that Hamas is part of Tel Aviv's plan to eliminate the [Palestinian] problem. Hamas may not be aware of this; or possibly it is, but it considers Syria's and Iran's interests a hundred times more important than the interests of those who voted it [into power]."

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http://www.memri.org
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Mexico denounces violence in Gaza

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Mexico denounces violence in Gaza

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Israel's carnage in the Gaza Strip prompted demonstrations in front of the Israeli embassy in mexico City. (see photo)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80 ... =351021701
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The IDF has no mercy for the children in Gaza nursery school

Postby Tomas » Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:27 am

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The IDF has no mercy for the children in Gaza nursery schools

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God does not show mercy on the children at Gaza's nursery schools, and neither does the Israel Defense Forces...

About half of Gaza's residents are under age 15.

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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1055574.html
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Is Israel Using Experimental Weapons in Gaza?

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Is Israel Using Experimental Weapons in Gaza?

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One such munition may be Dime, or dense inert metal explosive, a weapon recently developed by the US army to create a powerful and lethal blast over a small area.

"We have seen Gaza used as a laboratory for testing what I call weapons from hell," said David Halpin, a retired British surgeon and trauma specialist who has visited Gaza on several occasions to investigate unusual injuries suffered by Gazans.

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http://www.counterpunch.org/cook01132009.html
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Re: Killing non-Jews vital for Israel's future

Postby Elizabeth Isabelle » Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:49 am

In America, it is illegal to even ask if a product is made in Israel - and if you do ask, the store must report you to the government or be substantially fined. link

What country has freedom of speech?
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Re: Killing non-Jews vital for Israel's future

Postby Dan Rowden » Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:58 am

Tomas,

Please do not change thread titles. I'll let you modify the "poems" thread title, but everything else stays as originally posted.
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Re: Killing non-Jews vital for Israel's future

Postby Carl G » Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:45 pm

Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:In America, it is illegal to even ask if a product is made in Israel - and if you do ask, the store must report you to the government or be substantially fined. link

I didn't see where it says this, or that it's the case. The only example seemed to be an international deal apparently between two companies. It is a pretty weird law, though. Quite weird in fact, if as I read it, it only specifies Israel as being taboo to ask about.
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Re: Killing non-Jews vital for Israel's future

Postby Elizabeth Isabelle » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:15 pm

Carl,

Here's a link to the same thing on a government website. The segment that states the policy in question, with the most applicable points underlined, is this:

What do the Laws Prohibit?

Conduct that may be penalized under the TRA and/or prohibited under the EAR includes:

* Agreements to refuse or actual refusal to do business with or in Israel or with blacklisted companies.
* Agreements to discriminate or actual discrimination against other persons based on race, religion, sex, national origin or nationality.
* Agreements to furnish or actual furnishing of information about business relationships with or in Israel or with blacklisted companies.
* Agreements to furnish or actual furnishing of information about the race, religion, sex, or national origin of another person.

Implementing letters of credit containing prohibited boycott terms or conditions.

The TRA does not "prohibit" conduct, but denies tax benefits ("penalizes") for certain types of boycott-related agreements.


How that boiled down in the case listed at the top of the previous link was that a customer asked a Missouri company "Are any of these products made in Israel, or made of Israeli materials?" and the company did not report this customer's question to the federal government, so they got fined $6,000.

My question - how did the federal government find out that this question was asked if it was not reported to them? Was it a sting operation?
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Re: Killing non-Jews vital for Israel's future

Postby vicdan » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:26 pm

Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:How that boiled down in the case listed at the top of the previous link was that a customer asked a Missouri company "Are any of these products made in Israel, or made of Israeli materials?" and the company did not report this customer's question to the federal government, so they got fined $6,000.
No, they didn't. Read the sidebar story. What they got fined for was actually furnishing the information the customer requested. That is what this (admittedly stupid) law prohibits, and that was what the company was fined for apparently -- enabling, through its acquiescence to the customer's request, an anti-Israeli boycott.

it wasn't the non-reporting that was the problem, it was the presumed acquiescence in the boycott. Furthermore, this law only seems to apply to export goods.
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Re: Killing non-Jews vital for Israel's future

Postby Elizabeth Isabelle » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:47 pm

Thanks for the clarification Victor.

I'd still like to know how they found out, though.
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Re: Killing non-Jews vital for Israel's future

Postby vicdan » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:56 pm

Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:Thanks for the clarification Victor.

I'd still like to know how they found out, though.
it sounds like it was a major deal, not an over-the-counter transaction. It probably had to be cleared by some government agencies at some point, and I imagine they asked questions.
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Re: Killing non-Jews vital for Israel's future

Postby Tomas » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:13 am

Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:In America, it is illegal to even ask if a product is made in Israel - and if you do ask, the store must report you to the government or be substantially fined. link

What country has freedom of speech?


Israel is an "artifical" creation of the United Nations.

The Big Fellas needed an end-run around regular strong-armed nation building during WW2.

Stay tuned, Obama will fix everything :-)
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Re: Killing non-Jews vital for Israel's future

Postby Tomas » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:14 am

vicdan wrote:
Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:Thanks for the clarification Victor.

I'd still like to know how they found out, though.
it sounds like it was a major deal, not an over-the-counter transaction. It probably had to be cleared by some government agencies at some point, and I imagine they asked questions.


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Re: Killing non-Jews vital for Israel's future

Postby Dan Rowden » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:13 am

2012? Yeah, that works. That way we can blame the end of the world on a Jew.
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Israel Recruits 'Army of Bloggers'

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Israel Recruits 'Army of Bloggers' to Combat Anti-Zionist Web Sites

The shill-o-matic is going into afterburner mode

Via: Haaretz:

http://cryptogon.com/?p=6312
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Re: Killing non-Jews vital for Israel's future

Postby vicdan » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:59 am

Dan Rowden wrote:2012? Yeah, that works. That way we can blame the end of the world on a Jew.
But what if I save the world? then you will have to bow down to my jewish jewishness! Jew, jew, jew! Jewitty jew!

Are you prepared to worship your hebraic overlords?
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Re: Killing non-Jews vital for Israel's future

Postby Tomas » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:44 pm

vicdan wrote:
Dan Rowden wrote:2012? Yeah, that works. That way we can blame the end of the world on a Jew.
But what if I save the world? then you will have to bow down to my jewish jewishness! Jew, jew, jew! Jewitty jew!

Are you prepared to worship your hebraic overlords?


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Re: Killing non-Jews vital for Israel's future

Postby mansman » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:15 am

Ok so what would you do if missiles were landing in your living room at odd hours and days?
And from who-knows-who and who-knows-where?
Week after week month after month, sometimes in your friends and relatives living rooms too, what would you do?

Were any Gaza Ps really surprised to see some of their children killed?
Of course not, you could say they already approved this sacrifice with every decision to light up another aimless rocket. As sure as shit they knew it was coming, how could the IDF disappoint them, right?

(as an aside Fox is now suggesting perhaps Obama is not yet the actual president due to the blundered oath and may require court intervention!
Such are the enemies of the state, the extreme right, religionists, even willing to damage and weaken their own nation (further) if need be to maintain control- I kid you not, believe it!)

You're wasting your time with such advertisements, no one is moved more than briefly or persuaded by such atrocities, we all know both sides have plenty of mad murderers.

Try calling for the end of the actual culprit- ridiculous beliefs and carcinogenic attachments.
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