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Postby daybrown » Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:59 am

Since the plot by LBJ and the CIA to assassinate JFK was never unraveled, we may never see 911 figured out either; but we may have more important issues to deal with. The first thot that crossed my mind when the radio told me JFK had been shot was that there goes Goldwater's chance at election. i immediately realized the LBJ would be able to use the emotionality of that event to promote the liberal policies of JFK far beyond anything that JFK himself could have done.

Goldwater's question still remains, as he looked the cost of these entitlements and the cost of the Vietnam war, wanting to know where the money would come from. 9 trillion later, the question still hangs out there, and over the heads of the boomers as they start to retire. The boomers may have some questions about whether there will be enuf money to fund their retirement, but the younger generations, stupid and crazy as they are, are right about one thing. There wont be any left for them.

The 1973 OPEC oil embargo was the first clue as to why. Later, presidential candidate John Anderson tried to tell Americans that they needed to find a way to reduce oil imports. And got nowhere. Neither did anyone after him. Soon as the price of gas stabilized, Detroit sold Americans on gas hog SUVs in order to have the profits to meet the costs of their corporate entitlement programs, abandoning the effort to produce fuel efficient vehicles, and thereby loosing the global auto market to Japan.

But where was the SUV fuel to come from? Machiavelli:"When a republic, [the USA] has an intractable problem [supply of oil], it will find a man of flawed character [GW Bush], to do something [Station troops in Iraq to try to install a puppet government and seize the oil]. But then, after the fait accompli [the new government and oil contracts with the transnationals], it will discover his faults [lots to choose from], and send him away, while they get to enjoy the fruits of the new status quo.

Only problem is, the iron fist has not worked out so well because Bush & the Neocons didnt also know how to use the velvet glove. They had a plan for the war, but none for the peace. The plan for the war begins with the false flag event known as 911, which empowered them with a mandate to go into the mid-East that they could not have gotten any other way. But given that Americans wanted to buy and drive SUVs, what other choice was there? Even if Americans chose to drive fuel efficient cars, other economies would continue to develop, buy cars, and drive the gas consumption up, which therefore pumped money into Arab oil.

And had the Arabs had the same mindless consumerism, that could have been handled. But the money was being used to indoctrinate kids and create the Jihadim, who were committing terrorism trying to expand Islam. And that was driving the up cost of insurance for the high rises of the power elites all over the world. Attacks on other high rises in the old world made an attack on the towers in the new look credible. That some Arabs would claim responsibility, while others danced in the streets, added to the myth.

But now, some boomers who were in positions to know something on 9/11/01 are starting to retire, and now that their careers are no longer on the line, are coming out saying what they know about it. And those who remain, like in the NIST, aware that has Bush lost the power to protect them, and that no GOP candidate will replace him with any interest in maintaining the cover up, are beginning to hedge their bets by being ambiguous in their support of the official 911 report.

Machiavelli:"Then, after the new status quo, they will select a leader of impeccable character [Hillary]." She can reopen 911 hearings, discover this vast conspiracy, then, as Mach says, "go to the offended parties [the Iraqis], and say that [she is] sorry what that bad man [Bush] did, but we are where we are, and maybe we can work something out. "

So, what is it that will be worked out? Well, of course, the Kurds have oil, and they, of all those in the MidEast, are the most grateful to the USA, who will turn a blind eye to the efforts of the Kurds to recover their ancient homelands in Turkey. And to help justify that aggression the USA has brought up the Armenian issue, as if the Turks have always been horrible monsters. Which is the generally accepted opinion in the region by virtually everyone who is not Turk.

And after the Kurds have liberated their brethren in Turkey, then they will turn their attention to Iran. And like Iraq, that nation also has lots of tribal homelands, each of which will want its own piece of the pie. They will be, as they have been already, so busy fighting each other, that global terrorism by the Jihadim to expand Islam will loose funding and collapse.

This whole Machiavellian process is messy, but it has always worked.
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Re: A Machiavellian View of 911...

Postby Philosophaster » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:13 am

Interesting post.

You alluded to one fact that many countries will have to face in the coming years: aging populations. This is even more severe in Europe than it is in the U.S. In at least a few European countries the "natives" are reproducing at sub-replacement rates.

Of course, they could compensate for this by bringing a lot of immigrants, who tend to be young themselves and tend to have children at a much higher rate. But there is a problem with that solution: the more immigrants you bring in, the testier that people will get about whether they are "integrating" properly. And the other angle is that as immigrants and children of immigrants become a larger part of the population, they themselves may start caring less and less about integrating, since their increasing numbers let them throw their weight around a bit.

There are some uncomfortable things that might happen:

(1) Welfare systems being crushed under the weight of the fact that there just aren't enough people of working age to support the thing (this is assuming that immigration is slowed, as some Europeans have been agitating for).

(2) Forced deportation of immigrants due to clashes with the "natives" (Switzerland's largest political party has already proposed this).

On the other hand, the immigrants might start fitting in more comfortably in the societies and their higher birth rates will keep the systems sustainable. Although one might ask whether their birth rates will continue to be so high once they become as prosperous and "culturally European" as everybody else.
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Re: A Machiavellian View of 911...

Postby hsandman » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:28 am

Daybrown: Nice analisys. Lets hope so, for we can't hope for more, but wouldn't the 911 drag down all the media, all the scientific "yes men"? 911 is too big to admit. Hillary is one of the CFR's. That will come out as well if 911 is exposed.

Spot on the rest though, imo. :-)

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Re: A Machiavellian View of 911...

Postby daybrown » Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:34 am

Agreed about Hilary. It depends on the economic situation. *IF* there is crisis, then she will open up 911 in order to blame all the problems on the Bush administration and discredit the media that supported it. But if the situation in Iraq settles down, the price of gas will fall. the global investors will retain some hope that the dollar can be stabilized. Then, just like Ford pardoned Nixon, she will move on, letting the 911 question go to try to deal with other problems.

BOTOH, the global investors are subject to "market sentiment" the same as other groups, and just about anything could start a panic run on the dollar. That, in turn, could lead to the dissolution of the Untied States of Denial since all the government has to pay the troops would be nice lithographs of dead presidents.

Some states, with perceived resources, and the personal family investments of the troops will see soldiers come home to defend what they think they have. Things will get even messier. Machiavelli again:"The only time the Italian [city states] had peace, was when the French king threatened to invade." without the iron fist of the US military, chaotic struggles for resources, like oil, will break out all over the place, not just Africa.
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Re: A Machiavellian View of 911...

Postby Iolaus » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:26 pm

If Hillary opens inquiry into 911, that might open the door to the Oklahoma bombing, which happened on their watch, and was pretty much a dry run for 911.
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Re: A Machiavellian View of 911...

Postby daybrown » Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:16 pm

Iolaus wrote:If Hillary opens inquiry into 911, that might open the door to the Oklahoma bombing, which happened on their watch, and was pretty much a dry run for 911.

Makes sense. If I mite backup- Eisenhower's warning about the "military industrial complex". At the apex of that is the CIA, Mossad, & Christian/Jewish control of the mass corporate media.

I rather expected to JFK to go after the CIA after the Bay of Pigs debacle, which they figured out, so cooked up the deal with LBJ. And whoever setup Oswald as patsy, and that jackass 'Siran Siran' who took out RFK, most likely had a hand in seting up Oklahoma too.

Remember Hassenfus? even blowing the cover on the CIA importation of cocaine to Mena didnt get delved into very much. And you know where Mean is? A couple hours thru the national forest on an obscure black top west from Hot Springs. Where Bill & Hillary still have contacts. I dont think the Clintons set that deal up, but the CIA saw that they did not look into things they should turn a blind eye to.

But now, if economic crisis threatens the whole power structure, Hillary would be glad to scapegoat the CIA, saying they lied to her about Saddam's WMD. And now, we have the new lie detection technologies that could open up informants on the CIA whether they wanted to cooperate or not. FMRI brainscans, Electroencephalograms, and hispeed hidef close video of obscure facial muscles, like the orbicularis palpebrarum or the Tensor Tarsi, that emotionally respond to information *autonomically*. See the work of Dr. Paul Ekman. "Never Be Lied To Again" by Lieberman, is on reading body language. I've found both Ekman's CD and Lieberman's book useful in my own personal dealings. Torture is obsolete.

I dunno what lies Hillary herself has told, but can see high speed video cameras at press conferences will make the usual presidential methods of deception untenable. The mind boggles when you realize how much deception goes on. "You want the truth? You cant handle the truth." Well, what happens if they get it anyway?
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Re: A Machiavellian View of 911...

Postby hsandman » Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:38 pm

daybrown wrote:The mind boggles when you realize how much deception goes on. "You want the truth? You cant handle the truth." Well, what happens if they get it anyway?


Jack Nichalson: "You can't handle the truth!"<-maybe the general was right? Maybe we can't? Nice to have options though, right? ;-)
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Re: A Machiavellian View of 911...

Postby daybrown » Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:40 am

Was Jack ever in the army? Anyway, I dont think anyone ever did generals as well as Jack. And listening to this Blackwater CEO going around, somebody on the radio commented that he sounded like Jack the General, not trying to be too clear on just what was done in the name of American values while they destroyed them.

Its just that the mind frame is so small. Radio says there's 180,000 of these contractors over there, compared to 170,000 US troops. Well, I keep asking, Does America have enuf sluts? I mean if we replaced those 180,000 hard asses with hot cunts who opened up neighborhood brothels all over, and it was these hotties who escorted the politicians or whoever around, would anybody be shooting at them?

And Blackwater is charging the government 900$/day. I think the hookers are cheaper, and they could make a lot more money off the Iraqi men. The big problem those poor bastards have, is that the rich guys got all the women, and they cant get laid. I dunno if Hillary can figure this out or not, but for sure none of the male candidates would, nor if they did, have the moral authority to offer the deal.

Would the voters approve if all the call girls and hookers in Washington DC were shipped to Baghdad? I'd just love to see our hypocritical representatives in congress squirm debating the proposal. It could all be in open hearings, aint no need for secrecy. Love to see what the men in Baghdad would say too. Anyone think that the US generals and troops in Iraq would bitch. I mean, why do we have the term "hooker"?

This is war time is it not? Havent judges commonly told young men appearing at the bench to either go to jail or sign up to defend the country. Why not do the same with street girls? Would Machiavelli doubt this would all work. I dont *think* so.
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Re: A Machiavellian View of 911...

Postby hsandman » Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:17 am

daybrown: women are joining army more and more. Send all the armies of the world to invade the Sun. That’s an order soldier! Sun-tanning drills at 600 sharp! Prepare to invade the Sun at 700 hours. Once the Sun is secure move the NWO headquarters there. Leave the hookers alone. They are doing a Social Service. :-P
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Re: A Machiavellian View of 911...

Postby daybrown » Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:07 am

I ponder the effect of women in the military. I was never in it; I was crippled by polio. But remember a very military like organization, the hospital, that was run by women. Lotsa spit and polish. Lights out and on by the schedule that suited them. Immediate and complete obediance at all times.

Dont ever piss a nurse off. They will snatch you up and do painful things to your body. Your ass is not yours, it is theirs. Live in what looks like a barracks. Your personal space is limited to the bed and the contents of the night stand. One drawer. They decide when the lamp is on or off.

The barracks had a high casualty rate. Lotsa guys were very seriously fucked up, and every few months they took somebody out under a sheet. You stayed there unless they told you to go someplace else. There was no appeal, and no military court of justice. Nor were you given a release date.

But the way the women ran it, none of it was personal. Nobody was out to get your ass, and nobody sucked up because there was no hope for advancement. Like the brass, the Doctors would come around from time to time to outline what they wanted done to you. Like a general, they smiled at the troops, but you knew that whatever they wanted done was going to be damn painful. Sometimes, before it was your turn, you heard them screaming. You expected they'd make a man out of you, but they'd do that with scalpels. Nobody who lived to get out was the same as when they went in.

Some of the nurses, and I'm sure some of the women in authority in the military also, tried to be nice. But in either case, they had their orders. I gather that when a top sargent works you over, you at least have the bruises to show for it; but these ladies know a lot more neurology, and *really* know how to inflict pain that leaves no sign of what you went thru at all. Some were really sadistic bitches.

I have a first hand report from an Ozark witch, of getting her friends together to go over to the house of some dude who beat his wife. One of them called him out, and when he came outside, they ganged up on his ass and beat the living shit out of him. What was left of him got in his truck and was never seen again. I expect some ladies like this are entering the military. I can see how this may be going on, but dont expect the male victims will be saying anything about it to anyone, even if buttfucked by a dyke with a dildo. No DNA.

As more women move up in the ranks, I'd expect rape charges by women will cease, depending much more on more typical, and immediate, responses by the women officers. If a squad of women enter a barracks to snatch some dude up, I'd bet the other patients will lay on their beds as if asleep, and not see anything. The rape rate will fall to zero, but the 'fraternization' rate for dudes they find useful will skyrocket.
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Oklahoma City reality check

Postby Tomas » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:39 am

daybrown wrote:
Iolaus wrote:If Hillary opens inquiry into 911, that might open the door to the Oklahoma bombing, which happened on their watch, and was pretty much a dry run for 911.

Makes sense. If I mite backup- Eisenhower's warning about the "military industrial complex". At the apex of that is the CIA, Mossad, & Christian/Jewish control of the mass corporate media.

I rather expected JFK to go after the CIA after the Bay of Pigs debacle, which they figured out, so cooked up the deal with LBJ. And whoever set up Oswald as patsy, and that jackass 'Siran Siran' who took out RFK, most likely had a hand in setting up Oklahoma too.

Oklahoma City reality check

Two big bombs were found INSIDE the Oklahoma City federal building and defused. These clips ran on local news live...and were never broadcast again.

Clips here >> http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/829.html
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911 Pentagon Survivor sues

Postby Tomas » Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:42 am

Why did George Bush's cousin, US 2nd Circuit Judge John Walker hear an appeal to a case for 911 on April 5, 2011?

April Gallop vs. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Meyers

She is a military officer and 911 Pentagon Victim

She climbed out of the hole at the Pentagon to safety. How could she crawl out if it were a plane? That is insane to believe. Why was George Walker Bush's 1st Cousin the judge on the case?

He felt there was no conflict of interest.

Here's why:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkEgINjcETY
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