And you are just repeating the same old rhetoric that clearly shows that you haven't completely understood what the word "infinite" really implies.Liberty Sea wrote: And you are just repeating the QRS's argument that has been repeated to death by followers like Kelly Jones.
This is a pleasant description of God, but too often have I seen such a description used by religious people who have no idea what it means.In what sense is the God as defined the Islamics infinite? He has no beginning and end. He is the unmoved mover, as the whole of existence is like a drop of water that cannot move the infinite ocean that is God.
Here is where you break off into the same pit that apologetic religious people fall into. Now you're using all kinds of opposing words, like "tiny" and "nothing compared to him." All these words imply some sort of separation. Is God the universe, or is he not? If God is not the "tiny" universe, then God is the universe (i.e. the All) only in a metaphorical sense, balancing it on his fingertips to maintain its existence, so to speak.He can remove all of existence by his whim. He can remain in his wujub without the need of being in relation with any other beings to verify his wujud.
To say that such a god is finite would be a logical fallacy in your part. The universe is nothing compared to him, in the way he is defined. The universe is his creation and a tiny, insignificant part of him. And it is said in the scripture that if he is to enter his creation, the universe will instantly vanish because finity amounts to nothing next to infinity, as x/∞ = 0. In what sense is he finite?
It's like saying water only exists because of the gravitational force that holds oxygen and hydrogen molecules together. Water and gravitational forces are both finite parts of the All but do not speak for the All itself.