As long as phenomena appears it's empty.Actually there's not even that.
and empty is empty.
You think? Something happens in that clearing - the "disclosure" of being, as Sartre would have said. There is, after all, only existence. That would not be nothing. But feel free to expound . . . .Dennis: Heidegger's 'clearing' is Zen's 'nothing'.
These are not genuine questions . . . :)Are you 'in' your Life Pye.
What's the mood?
Is it dragging you along?
Given you are the project of you imagining.
Is the projection working out?
Are you 'pulling it off'?
Getting the most out of it?
Is it thrilling?
Now here's another question, perhaps a little more flavoured with steerage: What is the word "nothing" pointing to? What is someone talking about when they use it?Dennis: Words have meaning. They point to external referents — things that exist outside themselves in the real world: agents, actions, and objects. It is their “about-ness,” their correspondence to something lying beyond a system of signs, that allows them to mean something.
Now this is really something :)Being is no thing.
Well, you are just a party waiting to happen.Dennis wrote:This distinction concerning 'thinking/language'
was shanghaid by the new age sharks
'you are what you think'
'think and grow rich'
shackling of Being.
At night, when I 'snuggle into the doona' and the days events stream by,
there's a cognition,
'what the fuck was I thinking'
I fucked up at some point usually,
I get to admit it.
warmth and compassion radiates,
absence of meaning is a wonderful promise for 'tomorrow brings'
the way is littered with failings
- from mind's point of view :)Mind and object have never been apart.
Hi Dennis :)may as well be friendly.
getting to know you
getting to know all about you.
You know what I was thinking? I was thinking more like the rock-bottom profundity of the meaningless universe - which you have clearly and sincerely realized - is something you actually value enough to want others to realize it, too. And only that you might have been pointing out their scripts (rather than, as you say, actually listening) to them under the assumption that they don't get this yet. Some might have seen like you, Dennis, and sort of brought the 'mountain' back and started creating consciously, fluidly, anyway, as we are wont to do.Dennis: How I fuck up is putting labels on people and brush past them and in so doing miss the opportunity to actually listen to what they are caring about and thereby lose the conscious contact that unconceals those very nuances of being that are so inspiring.
It's so expensive living in the machine, time out for Being gets taken away.
No, I have not, in that or any other role :) but I take this into consideration now, ta very much.In your University role have you come across a book by Afrikan Spir called 'thoughts and reality' (english translation).
It's said to have influenced Nietshcke.
nice.Dennis: no thing means not finite.
This is very interesting, and very layered. The notion of an 'engine room' presents us with a cheerful sense of organization to things, not to mention a locus around which they all revolve. This metaphor is apt then in the sense it speaks of motion, becoming ('engine'), but weak in the sense of implying metaphysical 'location.' Is there a 'center' to things, Dennis? Still, I think I get what you meant.obviously there's an 'engine room' happening uncontactable by the senses,
contactable by Reason.
Any lover of wisdom is after the what-is (what folks 'round these parts call Truth), yet I am thinking such a thing will not be a thing, and will not be located in a place but in all places and with all things. I've just never been able to get on board with the persistently platonic downgrading of appearances, of manifestations, of things, for they are the what-is, happening right before us. That things transform - become - generates its own meaning, yet still we are largely beset with god-dreaming: finding that place, or that thought, or that stillness where all has stopped moving and come to "be" - found a "state" to be in; become "complete." Poor us! Stuck with the motion of consciousness and sick with its movement! How can we expect to find this 'state' when we are all process!Rather than trying to generate 'meaning' on finite things that can't always 'be there' because of transformation.
Let's make our meaning conscious contact with the 'engine room'.
:) you're alright, Dennis. Those kinds of things only happen to us when we get "stuck" . . . . :)Some days I do 'grumpy' really well.
Dennis Mahar wrote:empty and meaningless.cousinbasil wrote:What do you make of Rhonda Byrne's The Secret?
I think it is empty and meaningless as well - but since you think everything is, I was wondering if you actually read it or even looked at it.Dennis wrote:Books like 'the secret' assume that a separate self can actually do something.
Alan: Well, last week we showed you how to be a gynaecologist. And this week on 'How to Do It' we're going to learn how to play the flute, how to split the atom, how to construct box girder bridges and how to irrigate the Sahara and make vast new areas cultivatable, but first, here's Jackie to tell you how to rid the world of all known diseases.
Jackie: Hello Alan.
Alan: Hello Jackie.
Jackie: Well, first of all become a doctor and discover a marvelous cure for something, and then, when the medical world really starts to take notice of you, you can jolly well tell them what to do and make sure they get everything right so there'll never be diseases any more.
Alan: Thanks Jackie, that was great.
Alan: Now, how to play the flute. (picking up a flute) Well you blow in one end and move your fingers up and down the outside.
Noel: Great Alan. Well, next week we'll be showing you how black and white people can live together in peace and harmony, and Alan will be over in Moscow showing you how to reconcile the Russians and the Chinese. Til then, cheerio
Not to go all analytic on your ass or anything, but what does this mean? I’m pretty sure Heidegger’s “moodedness” has no such freedom-to-feel-or-not implied. Moodedness is stuckness. authentically. :)Dennis writes: the freedom to be grumpy or whatever mood shows up is authentic.
Ludicrousness probably laughs all the way to the Being-bank if we think only the truth is functional for human-being.Dennis: If reality is free of intrinsic meaning, it's ludicrous for human being to shackle itself to stories that ascribe intrinsic meaning to anything.
That’s how I feel about meaning . . . . :) It only means something when you realize . . . etc.Dennis: It's like a person only truly appreciates life fully if they 'know' death fully.
Well of course, the freedom for the possibility for being has always been there. But you also know the project is doomed from the start. There will never be being for all that becomes. And there cannot be anything in freedom. Freedom isn’t anything but more of itself. Something happens in that clearing . . . .culture looks like,
a gathering of crows strung out along a wire,
chattering 'catch-phrases' at each other.
containing each other in a 'holding pattern'.
the enormity of the swindle.
It's that kind of cognition that once realised,
freedom of being.
Dear Dennis, given that the term "inherent meaning" does not apply to phenomena and things, would you agree that mind imputes meaning, that this meaning arises from wisdom or ignorance, that meaning arising from wisdom enlightens and meaning arising from ignorance attaches, that wisdom imputes joy and ignorance imputes suffering.Dennis wrote:it's empty and meaningless that it's empty and meaningless