Talking Ass wrote:Tell me, is Sex and Character a book that should be read straight through or is it the sort of book that can be read in parts? And if so, what is a good chapter to read? I have it but I haven't done much more than read random pages.
Cory Duchesne wrote:He certainly does not see women as stupid or simple
Cory Duchesne wrote:A man identifies with the underlying rational principles (the analysis) of life, whereas a woman identifies with the sensory world itself.
The prostitute aspect of woman (by Weininger's definition) can come across as very spiritual, and in some sense she is much more motherly to a philosopher, and will sacrifice herself to his benefit, because she has the intelligence to see genius, but not to embody it herself.
jupiviv wrote:The prostitute aspect of woman (by Weininger's definition) can come across as very spiritual, and in some sense she is much more motherly to a philosopher, and will sacrifice herself to his benefit, because she has the intelligence to see genius, but not to embody it herself.
To me the prostitute type means any kind of sex that doesn't result in children. Weininger was wrong to say that prostitution doesn't occur in the animal kingdom, because quite a few animals perform actions analogous to masturbation, and sometimes try to have sex with other species of animals if their sex drive is strong enough and no members of the opposite sex are present around them.
Talking Ass wrote:He has not really offered a definition of 'prostitute' that I can discern.
It would also seem that the sort of woman desired by the QRS type (those who have much ambivalence toward women generally, and possibly for reasons not known and not discussed...) is in fact the 'prostitute' type: Kelly Jones comes to mind. A willing slave to a dominant male idea...
Talking Ass wrote:You have a wildly different interpretation than I do. ;-)
I see your point of course. Where we differ is that out of the Prostitute type comes or can come a woman interested in and capable of defining her own emancipation. A woman like that, it seems to me at first blush, mistakes an escape from motherhood, and sexual adventurism and self-empowerment, with that emancipation.
But perhaps at a later stage it might shift to 'genuine emancipation' which Kelly certainly desires. In that sense I don't see Kelly as at all maternal. If she weren't constrained with religious or 'wisdom' considerations she might have moved in more Dionysian atmosphere.
Talking Ass wrote:But my point is that dichotomies are always problematic.
Later, when living and working in Britain, Bohm suggested to his students that they experiment with a new language that consisted only of verbs, which he called the rheomode, in an effort to do justice to the transcendental nature of the world. He recognized that our earliest perceptions of the world are of transformation and flow, but that something happens to us by the time we reach adulthood; in his opinion, the culprit was language. Bohm's ideas on the rheomode are fascinating, but the response from many professional linguists was discouraging. However, in the last year of his life, he met with a group of Native Americans (Blackfoot, Cheyenne, Ojibwa, Micmaq, and Soto), and was struck by their strongly verb-based languages and their "process-based vision of the world."
Now if it were a triune division, that would allow for more interesting.combinations. Not that I.do not think he is right, but it.is tantamount to.saying Either a.woman is and.remains what she biologically is (mother) or she chooses (consciously or unconsciously) to subvert her Destiny, and become a.'prostitute' which is a.perverse relationship to a man. Essentially a Christian dichotomy, and I gather this was his orientation. Even Mary Magdelena from the Gospels fits into this story-line. But you know, some say MM was a mystic in her own right. And what about the Teresa de Jesus, the St Joans? Or are.they just different manifestations of groupies?
I looked at Kelly's (typically and utterly stupid video, even if designed for a child) and think she is pulling the wool over everyone's eyes. I think she is almost cruelly cynical and so she is really speaking to some dull men she holds in her mind, not children. Still, no matter what, one has to respect her since she is attempting to do her own thing
Kunga wrote:He obviously was a sensitive man, so sensitive, he couldn't bear the negative criticism, and it drove him to suicide.
Cory Duchesne wrote:As he wrote himself - the artist is sexual, the scientist asexual. Weininger decided he wanted to see art prevail, with it's logic rooted in his science. So his spirit will undergo a synthesis, which is spiritual sexuality, and this was what he willed.
Talking Ass wrote:show me someone who is not 'mentally ill'. Who speaks only the language of verbs. ;-)
Talking Ass wrote:If you (one) trusts the underlying order, that there is an order there to trust, one can indeed.fling oneself into it with an unusual abandon and the results are often miraculous...and very interestimg too.
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