Dennis Mahar wrote:
hi alice, welcome.
you're missing the point.
Maybe, maybe not.
People are discussing reasons for existence. It's quite possible that there is no reason for existence. It's also quite possible that we create our own reason for existence; that our reasons for existence are entirely subjective.
It's my feeling of being connected in this life that help me feel that it's not all in vain. It's knowing that I did something or thought something and it was able to mean something for someone else.
In the thread which I believe is the precursor to this one, people were discussing topics such as sex, emotion, logic, and out of body experiences. Movingalways said something like this:
moving always wrote:What I observe of most logical thinkers that take logic as far as the wisdom of the wholeness of the individual mind is that they do not take the next logical step which is to acknowledge that since the thinking mind is sex/DNA dependent, that if sex is relinquished so that individual wholeness is to be realized, the logical outcome is that the thinking mind itself would become extinct. Very few individuals want to take wisdom to this extreme for obvious reasons.
Working from this, I would deduce that coming into a more whole spirtitual existence requires the abandonment of logical thought. Why apply logic to where it cannot possibly create any sense? I imagine that the reference to "coming up with nothing" at the beginning of the thread have to do with logic's inability to come to any conclusion about such universal, existential questions such as, "what is the meaning of life?". It's my belief that in order to find the answer to these questions one perhaps has to take another route. For myself, human connection has been particularly satistfying. However, a lot of people suck, and will eventually let you down. Fortunately, most people have something commonly known as "faith", which is hard to describe, but I think has to do with a trust that, despite the apparent randomness of external circumstances, there is some kind of unifying reason behind everything, because, somehow, no matter how bad things get, everything always seems to work out in the end. Or like, even if it doesn't work out, it's not really that big of a deal, and you can find something else. I believe that this is what movingalways refers to when she writes:
movingalways wrote:To me, one becomes "enlightened" when one finds their individual resting point of Self reasoning which to me, is to know the reason why one exists and to live of this reasoning.
I know what she means, but I don't know how to describe it. Probably she described it far better than I. Having "faith" and "being your own reason" come out to the same thing, in my opinion. I feel like it feels the same. Does that make any sense?
Look -- love makes me feel good. And, better yet, it's mutually beneficial. Human relationships are by nature flawed, but I always feel better when I have good people around me. I stop questioning so much. To me, it's a reason in itself.
Denis Mahar wrote:emptiness is 'how things exist'.
I'm so sorry.