EDIT:Dennis When the rapids flow, know the water is without malice, it's not morphological.
Talking Ass wrote:The Necessary GF Anthem? (I get first dibs on Lani Hall btw).
I can only put it to you like this: if your Chinesedom or your Asianification of the Western Opus produces individuals whose expressions are as reduced, discriminatory, vacuous quite often, as the You-Know-Who, and do not incorporate a whole human being [insert here 5 years of critique by yours truly], then I would say one or two things: One, whatever M. Nietzsche may have been referring to has not been achieved here and is not even presented as a goal; and 2) those who are 'chopping & channeling' need to remain open to new influences, new currents of 'vitality', and to avoid a dogmatic codification [reduction, retreat into binaries] of 'enlightenment'.Perhaps. Nietzsche categorized Buddhism as a very "late" religion and although healthier than Christianity also nihilistic. One could question his grasp on Buddhism as well as his understanding of Christian theology but there's also this, a hopeful statement by a younger Nietzsche you might appreciate.
How do you know I am 'longing back to summer' and not patiently waiting out the twilight but yet discerning those first imperceptible shifts in the coloration of the night that fortell of Dawning? True, there is great natural beauty when the world of plants dies in Winter and the light rakes over the landscape. But it is quite different to watch grown men, or boys, drink down poisons which (seem to be) stunting them. You know as well as I that when the spirit of man strangles, historically it has produced rather dark periods where the sickness is purged out. Why must I accept in my contemporaries, if indeed I see clearly, if indeed I discern something 'real & considerable', a short-changing of their own selves? Why can I not exclaim? jump up and down? refer to beauty & vitality & life & the heart in the hope of reminding them---and all of us---what we 'should not cut out of ourselves'?Perhaps it's just the age. But the dead of winter and cemeteries have also attraction and beauty. I keep wondering why you're so longing back to summer, like Nietzsche described so dramatically: "After Buddha was dead, his shadow was still shown for centuries in a cave - a tremendous, gruesome shadow. God is dead; but given the way of men, there may still be caves for thousands of years in which his shadow will be shown. And we - we still have to vanquish his shadow, too".
In light of what I have written above, though I know that such a possibilitiy or even 'need' is contemptable to you, I think that 'we' have to always use ourselves as a reference point, the Being in which ideas are operating. If I notice, say, nihilism, or decadence, and speak about it 'in them' or abstractly but not in myself, I think that I am not doing full service to my METHOD of doing intellect (or philosophy, or spirituality, or what-have-you). Again, it all extends from the body. Mind inseperably connected to body. Body as the vessel and 'tool' of living, expression, etc. And sure, in saying this I am referring to what around here is clearly a sin: an actor [artist] has to live @truth within his body, within his self. An actor becomes significant [human, vital] when he succeeds in being honest with himself about WHO HE IS. You [and Dennis, and Pam, and David, etc.] can pull out of your hat all those 'escape tactics' to avoid having to deal with the essential truth, but I cannot. At the same time, you know and I know, that I 'use' 'you' and my experience here [in my body and in my 'truth'] to continue to explore ways of thinking about life, spirituality, expression, gesture, meaning, value, and what I may do with my little segment of alive-time. So, nothing is lost here, and it is all advantage, pure gain!But what would it lead to really? At best an open-ended conversation where one might conclude the purpose is actually having that conversation itself, the medium becoming message and purpose, in a sense exchanging for reasons beyond any supposed rationality. Is that really so refreshing? What I'm missing here in your reasoning are the fruits of having lived life attentively and thoroughly enough to have noticed this.
Funny, I am reading about Method Acting (based on Stanislavsky's theories, techniques), about Lee Strasberg, Stella Adler and Sanford Meisner. I am following the lines and the impulses that get opened up as I come into 'your' space (you-plural in the sense of this forum-space), deal with everything that you OMIT, and then try to find what exactly it is and why it appears to be so necessary and so vital. If I were your acting coach, which is to say the artist's coach who was trying to help you, I would suggest that you MUST, you simply MUST very conscientiously, very consciously, become a woman for a certain amount of time! Yes! You will need to learn how to move like a woman, lie on your couch like a woman, think like a woman, paint your lips like a woman, and even (for I am a serious acting coach!) I will have you develop a very sophisticated imagining of what it is like to have a gorgeous little pussy all your own! You will have to imagine caring for it, pruning it so to speak, trimming it, dressing it in silk panties; imagining it getting licked by some 'tall dark & handsome' caballero. You'll have to dress up like a woman and HONESTLY mince about in front of the mirror, and really take yourself seriously! You will have to dress up in drag and go out onto the streets of your town (possibly not so unusual in your neck of the woods) and charm some of the local men, maybe bring one home for some '101'? In short, you must really find out what being a woman is. Maybe, you will even 'give birth', maybe you will decide to have a little dolly that (as part of the exercise you understand) you care for, pamper, and of course breast-feed. But the really interesting thing will be when, from your position within a woman's body, you approach all over again all this stuff that interests you: Baudrillard, Nietzsche, neo-Buddhism, Chinesistry, etc. ;-)Yeah, so become a fantasy and emotion prone woman in short? That's what those types of women would advice but all the while secretly desiring all that harsh 101... (metaphorically spoken)
I guess this is the Word-Driven Path to Wholeness? ;-) As a result of reading what you have written, and going back over your linked reference, I still have to say that 'it' has to be demonstrated in your body. I realize, naturally, that this forum is not a physical and visual place, but (in my case anyway) I have seen so much more clearly that our ideas and our ideals have to be brought down, into our selves. If there is a 'cure' it will be demonstrated with life-choices one is making.If ones suffering lies into not understanding the specifics of the subject-object relationship of a given age then perhaps studying and understanding those might be a cure? But if ones suffering lies into not understanding "why" things have to be like they are (: their causes) then understanding causality might lead to a cure as well? Although knowing exactly why one is suffering does not automatically relieve it. One needs the capacity as well to transcend it which is not a given at all. One other factor here might be the often hidden desire for suffering. How many people really are seeking liberation anyway? It seems the case most aren't even sure what suffering is, let alone knowing how any "cure" would look like.
There's gotta be a better way and fortunately there is.
refer to beauty & vitality & life & the heart
Dennis Mahar wrote:Did you make your body.
Did you make your brain.
Do you make your thoughts.
Do you make your feelings.
Do you cause what happens to you.
Do you beat your heart.
Do you breathe your lungs.
Let's make an inventory.
Did you make your atoms, molecules, proteins, amino acids, organs, eyes, nose, ears, hands.
Are not these some pieces/parts of you.
due to causes/conditions.
You lack inherent existence.
You do not exist from your own side.
You are not self-established.
What have you actually done.
If you existed from your own side.
Independant of causes/conditions.
If you were in control,
you would be 25 forever, more handsome, much richer and you wouldn't die.
You are an existential machine.
Some machines are aware of the situation.
Holding on to emptiness, as an enabler of selflessness, seems like the excuse the religious use, where one deludes themselves that there is something greater than them
So, what I do is lift the whole table on which this conversation is set. I turn it over with cheerful violence and smash it all to pieces. I reject the platform, the frame and the dope who cobbled it together.
.The only response to you, dear Dennis, is contempt. (And with this I understand something crucial about Nietzsche and his 'hammer')
Dennis Mahar wrote:MV,Ultimately we speak of the nature of truth
We're talking about the nature of existence.
Let truth take care of itself.
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