Sphere70 wrote:Sazar wrote: Imagination is great, but when the person doesn't know the difference between it and "reality"...That's where problems arise.
Yes, exactly. When you are lost in the images created by thoughts and emotions reality is within that indentification and relative. There is no different though what these images consists of - they are all unreal. But to have the viewpoint from beneath (if you will) thoughts and emotions they pass through without interuption. So no need to eliminate anything, that is an automatic process from abiding in the tao.
I like this quote from Nisargadatta
The world is like a sheet of paper on which something is typed. The reading and the meaning will vary with the reader, but the paper is the common factor, always present, rarely perceived. When the ribbon is removed, typing leaves no trace on the paper. So is my mind - the impressions keep on coming, but no trace is left.
jufa wrote:Traveling this path, which I cannot find the logic or reason nor purpose for so doing, I've found all men live the life of a lie, of denial by attempting to hide their nakedness of truth by running, hiding from the evil only found in their minds, which manifest into the matter their sense deems reality, and introduce into this reality the thought of a second power.
A power which has become an agent of torment that kills, then buries the truth of the true meaning of Christ in the tomb of ignorance. Ignorance which express the lie of dualism, and violates the pattern and order of Spirit within any mind attempting to enter into the reality of True Consciousness..
When men stop looking to hear from a God in their human minds and begin to look within themselves, they will begin to understand they live, and move, and have their beings in the Consciousness of the Creator. The Creator receives no recognition from the human mind; it is not imbued with truth. It is confined to its own outlines of things it has invented and become enslaved too. Never can the human mind escape from the darkness of its own invention to see it is "God, who made the world, and all things in it, seeing he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands, neither is worshiped with men's hands, as though he needed anything, seeing he gives to all life, and breath, and all things."
Man's enslavement to the thing of his own invention is what keeps him from believing -truly believing- God is his Father. That God Himself is the immaculate conception of all creation visible and invisible. This enslavement keeps men from comprehending that which is appearing in their lives today results from their prenatal conditioning, their racial and religious roots, education, and personal experiences of thinking, because thoughts are the conditioners of life by way of the senses. And because man has not made the exodus from the darkness of sight, sound, emotion, flavor, odor and touch in an effort to draw near to God "with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having their heart sprinkled FROM AN EVIL CONSCIENCE, and their bodies washed with pure water," they have made themselves children "of trangression, a seed of falsehood, inflaming themselves with idols," whose essence is of the universal human mind, and substance the imaginative illusion the human mind produce.
Men cannot see what their minds do not comprehend. Illumination has never come to anyone living from a conditioned mind. Man is either born with an overwhelming wanton for illumination -which did not, nor does not begin within the dimension of birth- or something intervenes in their lives turning them to God. Turning to God is not reading the Scriptures, memorizing them, not attemptings to live a good and moral life. Turning to God is dropping all concepts, opinion, theories, and absorption of things they have interpreted and which has been interpreted to them. It means letting go of intellectualism religion, and letting the True Teacher take over one's learning.
Until this has came to pass; until men have set their feet upon the path which will begin their journey to fulfill the covenant they made with the Father, their minds are in the same predicament of running and hiding, and covering themselves with the leaves of their own thought iniquities as so did Adam and Eve, when they attempted to hide from the VOICE of God WALKING through the garden.
Never give power to anything a person believe is their source of strength - Jufa
wanghuanju wrote:Studying the Tao Te Ching and the Taoist Way of Lao-Tzu I would directly state that it is not at all a rejection of the feminized spirit in favor of the masculine and then forward into Enlightenment.
Sphere70 wrote: for me the division is crudely made in the aspect: thoughts = masculine / emotions = feminine. It could also - rather - be defined in terms of the Apollonian / Dionysian (Nietzsche - The Birth of Tragedy).
Good post. But I'm not sure who/what you're trying to rebutt. Please clarify.
Were you just making a statement? Were you trying to comment on the lessons of the Tao?
Sphere70 wrote: Let’s not forget the more important quality of the Dionysian – the closeness and willingness to experience.
Sphere70 wrote: for me the only thing necessary to see is that ALL identifications with either the rational or the emotional aspects of the mind is delusional.
Nisargadatta was obviously not a learned man, but according to me he reached much further in terms of "Ultimate Reality" than the much more "intelligent" and psychologically "complex" Nietzsche.
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