The Question

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Re: The Question

Postby movingalways » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:36 am

movingalways: I have answered your questions, every one. Now, your turn. Tell me how God can, in truth, be divided into two 'things' and also, in truth, remain the whole of himself.


Beingof1: Let me try again - please pay attention.

Why did God create an environment of the experience of dualism if he is already complete and in a state of nonduality? If God is perfect why a universe at all?

Now do not avoid the question by explaining how man creates these dualities.

The question is why, why, why, why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why? Why did God create?

If God is perfect and complete WHY did God create? Did you get the question yet?

Did you get this first of the two questions yet? It is not how man mangles Gods duality - it is WHY there is duality in a nondual God?


Beingof1, your human frustration is showing above, and I will put this to you given the appearance of this frustration: If God were to be frustrated, then God help the appearance of the universe, the appearance of you and me included!

In order to answer your question, you would have to be willing to be perfectly still and listen to my answer. Be still and know I am God, is the commandment. I am not saying here that I am God who creates life and all that emanates from life, heavens no, but that I have the wisdom of the vision of the why of the appearance of dualism within the permanence of the nondual Godhead.

Also, be clear that I am not saying that God must be still to know God, no, I am saying that his emanation, the Son of man, you, me, everyone here on this board, has to be still. I have just given you several hints as to the why of dualism within the Godhead that is nondual. Did you catch them? If not, perhaps this final paragraph in Sermon 87 of Eckhart's, as posted by Diebert in the "Blessed are the poor in spirit" thread will help you see the why, why, why, why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why :-) of your most honorable and necessary quest of frustration:

But you do not need to know this. A great master says that his breaking-through is nobler than his emanation, and this is true. When I flowed forth from God, all creatures declared: "There is a God"; but this cannot make me blessed, for with this I acknowledge myself as a creature. But in my breaking-through, where I stand free of my own will, of God's will, of all His works, and of God Himself, then I am above all creatures and am neither God nor creature, but I am that which I was and shall remain for evermore.

If anyone cannot understand this sermon, he need not worry. For so long as man is not equal to this truth, he cannot understand my words, for this is a naked truth which has come direct from the heart of God.

That we may live so as to experience it eternally, may God help us. Amen.


Dualism is not an imperfection of God. Dualism is a perfect appearance within the nondual Godhead, even when man interprets it as being an imperfect appearance, does this make sense? In other words, dualism is purposed to be, including all of man's ponderings of the why of its purpose.

Perhaps this will help if the above does not: God is good and only good, including his extension of the darkness of dualism reaching for the light of nonduality.
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Re: The Question

Postby jufa » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:31 am

Dualism is not an imperfection of God. Dualism is a perfect appearance within the nondual Godhead, even when man interprets it as being an imperfect appearance, does this make sense? In other words, dualism is purposed to be, including all of man's ponderings of the why of its purpose. - movingalways


Dualism is not imperfection of God because God [Life/Consciousness] cannot subjectify nor objectify that which He/She/It is. For imperfection to be in God, of God, or about God, God would have to violate the very Principle Substance, and Pattern Essence of His/Her/It's commandment to steal no thought ["take no thought"], or do not take possession of that which you have received freely.

But not only that, dualism, as all objects/subjects, people places and things do not exist to God, only Principles and Patterns which erect things of their kind by the law, which establish the certainty of the Substance and Essence of Life's intent and purpose, and which cannot deviate from the vision of "the law of the Spirit of life."

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Re: The Question

Postby Beingof1 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:42 am

Movingalways:

Beingof1, your human frustration is showing above, and I will put this to you given the appearance of this frustration: If God were to be frustrated, then God help the appearance of the universe, the appearance of you and me included!


Maybe I was hoping it would penetrate your insulation and avoidance of the question. Could this be a possibility?

Lets see if you actually answer the question.

In order to answer your question, you would have to be willing to be perfectly still and listen to my answer. Be still and know I am God, is the commandment. I am not saying here that I am God who creates life and all that emanates from life, heavens no, but that I have the wisdom of the vision of the why of the appearance of dualism within the permanence of the nondual Godhead.


Good - looks like you are preparing to answer.

Also, be clear that I am not saying that God must be still to know God, no, I am saying that his emanation, the Son of man, you, me, everyone here on this board, has to be still. I have just given you several hints as to the why of dualism within the Godhead that is nondual. Did you catch them? If not, perhaps this final paragraph in Sermon 87 of Eckhart's, as posted by Diebert in the "Blessed are the poor in spirit" thread will help you see the why, why, why, why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why ,why :-) of your most honorable and necessary quest of frustration:


Yeah - you are talking to a guy who has meditated without human contact for weeks at a time so - yeah - I know about stillness. We gonna explore the question anytime soon?

" But you do not need to know this. A great master says that his breaking-through is nobler than his emanation, and this is true. When I flowed forth from God, all creatures declared: "There is a God"; but this cannot make me blessed, for with this I acknowledge myself as a creature. But in my breaking-through, where I stand free of my own will, of God's will, of all His works, and of God Himself, then I am above all creatures and am neither God nor creature, but I am that which I was and shall remain for evermore.

If anyone cannot understand this sermon, he need not worry. For so long as man is not equal to this truth, he cannot understand my words, for this is a naked truth which has come direct from the heart of God.

That we may live so as to experience it eternally, may God help us. Amen. "


Ok, Meister describes the duality and experience of " breaking-through" to transcendant Oneness.

Got it. We gonna talk about the question anytime soon?

Dualism is not an imperfection of God. Dualism is a perfect appearance within the nondual Godhead,


STOP - STOP right here.
Why?
We gonna talk about why the appearance of duality?

even when man interprets it as being an imperfect appearance, does this make sense? In other words, dualism is purposed to be, including all of man's ponderings of the why of its purpose.


You are repeating back to me - my question - posed as an answer. This is not an answer - it is a question. My question to you in fact.

Perhaps this will help if the above does not: God is good and only good, including his extension of the darkness of dualism reaching for the light of nonduality.


Nope, does not help at all because you continue to say that there is a nondual with the appearance and experience of duality all the while claiming it is nondual and - this is the answer?

You avoided the question again.

You could try asking me, but that seems to be difficult for you.
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Re: The Question

Postby Diebert van Rhijn » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:51 am

Beingof1 wrote:Why did God create?

I'll take a shot. The question itself seems not functioning properly.

Creation could be said to be aspect of God, some would say "the father", others "demiurge", Brahma perhaps. There are also aspects which do not create or destroy, but nevertheless giving rise to many more names.

The question becomes then: why does "creator" creates? Why does a father have children? Why is a bachelor not married? In that spirit further boiled down: why is there creator/creation in the first place? Answer: since existence is being acknowledged. Within that acknowledgement, symbolised by A=A, object and subject become separated.

Another problem is the tense of the word did, a paste tense which doesn't do justice to the knowledge that the past has no substance. If anything past equals god, since the present (us, being) is coming forth out of the past. And the past is a subset of the totality of possible causes; one.

Why did God create? Because this particular god is what god does: the instantiator. The why's are coming later, way later.
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Re: The Question

Postby Animus » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:00 pm

The question; Why did God create? Side-steps the very nature of God which is; to create.

Creation requires a phenomenality. A creation which has its affect, perceptually, on nothing, is functionally uncreate. If God were simply that which would exist in the absence of perceptual affect, then God would not exist. So, it is necessary therefore to have a perceptual domain upon which creation can produce its affect. Thus it is said, allegorically, that God created Man for whom creation was to be enjoyed. The allegory which states that all former creatures (angels) were created explicitly to worship God illustrates the role of Man in the creation. Not solely as a being inhabiting a world, but as a necessary element in the over-all act of Creation. Except that Man is not aware of this, hence he's been given the chance to ignore the gravity of his responsibility. Man, as the principle of perceptual affect, whose role it is to be awareness of God, must necessarily be aware of himself. Were it that one man inhabited the earth, he would not find the means for self-awareness, as his awareness is always stretching outward. Man is able to recognize himself by seeing himself in other men. Thus, of necessity, Man consists of many men. 7 billion currently.

I'll snip it there, and give the short-hand version, which states that relativity is necessary both through and of conscious self-experience, for the fact of Creation, and that God constitutes the fact of it. "God" itself comes from PIE -ghut, meaning; to invoke. "Jehova" itself is said to mean "to cause" or "to become". In some translations of the Bible, when God is asked to give a name to Moses he says "I am becoming".

It is necessary, for the fact of Creation, that a history and future leading to a point of singularity be manifest in the physical medium. Yet, without the self-reflection, the universe could not have come into being, having no appearances. Thus, all of Creation started with Man, with an appearance of origins leading to a point of singularity. An infinite number of possible universes may have "passed", but would only have "passed" in relation to our experience of the present. Without the present moment, we would not be speaking of, nor conceiving of any "passed" or "past". The present moment hinges on the fact of our self-consciousness. In the universe which may have existed before self-consciousness, there was no point of reflection, so nothing came or went, was in the past or future, as there was no present. It would be completely as if it wasn't.

Also, for many, glorification of God is the principle duty of each and every human being. Your body is His temple.
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Re: The Question

Postby movingalways » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:28 pm

Beingof1: You could try asking me, but that seems to be difficult for you.


You have no answer to give me as to the why, the cause, of duality, as I have no answer to give you. When a man says he knows anything of God, I say, make a universe, and then we'll talk.
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Re: The Question

Postby jufa » Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:13 am

Beingof1 wrote:
Why did God create?


This question is that of the intellect, and because of this cannot be answered by the one who pose it, nor those who seek to answer it from the human mind.

God did not create anything. "In the beginning God," nothing more, nothing less. If there is a creation, what then is that creation of if it is not God Itself?

How can God create that which He/She/It Is?

"Created the heaven and the earth." Creation, by any human logic, which cannot reach beyond it's own veil, cannot comprehend creation is an emanation of that which is, was, and shall always be.

Wonder who will make it an issue to answer these questions as they did in seeking an answer to their question?

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Re: The Question

Postby paco » Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:24 pm

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Re: The Question

Postby paco » Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:25 pm

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Re: The Question

Postby paco » Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:27 pm

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Re: The Question

Postby paco » Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:29 pm

Diebert van Rhijn wrote:
Beingof1 wrote:Why did God create?

I'll take a shot. The question itself seems not functioning properly.

Creation could be said to be aspect of God, some would say "the father", others "demiurge", Brahma perhaps. There are also aspects which do not create or destroy, but nevertheless giving rise to many more names.

The question becomes then: why does "creator" creates? Why does a father have children? Why is a bachelor not married? In that spirit further boiled down: why is there creator/creation in the first place? Answer: since existence is being acknowledged. Within that acknowledgement, symbolised by A=A, object and subject become separated.

Another problem is the tense of the word did, a paste tense which doesn't do justice to the knowledge that the past has no substance. If anything past equals god, since the present (us, being) is coming forth out of the past. And the past is a subset of the totality of possible causes; one.

Why did God create? Because this particular god is what god does: the instantiator. The why's are coming later, way later.

There are similarities.
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Re: The Question

Postby paco » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:51 am

jufa wrote:
Dualism is not an imperfection of God. Dualism is a perfect appearance within the nondual Godhead, even when man interprets it as being an imperfect appearance, does this make sense? In other words, dualism is purposed to be, including all of man's ponderings of the why of its purpose. - movingalways


Dualism is not imperfection of God because God [Life/Consciousness] cannot subjectify nor objectify that which He/She/It is. For imperfection to be in God, of God, or about God, God would have to violate the very Principle Substance, and Pattern Essence of His/Her/It's commandment to steal no thought ["take no thought"], or do not take possession of that which you have received freely.

But not only that, dualism, as all objects/subjects, people places and things do not exist to God, only Principles and Patterns which erect things of their kind by the law, which establish the certainty of the Substance and Essence of Life's intent and purpose, and which cannot deviate from the vision of "the law of the Spirit of life."

Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa

Duality comes with a price is what I am pertaining to. Just like the ocean pornography that just keeps going. Don't lament for in the end you might end up like a frog. Toad. Prince.
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Re: The Question

Postby Beingof1 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:51 am

Jufa:

Dualism is not imperfection of God because God [Life/Consciousness] cannot subjectify nor objectify that which He/She/It is.


Excellant sir - it would be like looking for light in sunshine.Just cannot see the light because of all the sunshine. This thought, when taken from its premise to conclusion, is truth. There is no 'outside'.

There is still the experience of heat when you touch a red hot stove.

There is a body that is manifesting in the whole field of consciousness. Why?

For imperfection to be in God, of God, or about God, God would have to violate the very Principle Substance, and Pattern Essence of His/Her/It's commandment to steal no thought ["take no thought"], or do not take possession of that which you have received freely.


True, yet the experience of thought is present.

Philippians 4:8: Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things arehonest, whatsoever things arejust, whatsoever things arepure, whatsoever things arelovely, whatsoever things areof good report; if there beany virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.


A satire:
George told the doctor, "doc, I am sure I have liver disease."
"Thats ridiculous, there is no discomfort with liver disease."
"Exactly" said George. "Those are my symptoms."

But not only that, dualism, as all objects/subjects, people places and things do not exist to God, only Principles and Patterns which erect things of their kind by the law, which establish the certainty of the Substance and Essence of Life's intent and purpose, and which cannot deviate from the vision of "the law of the Spirit of life."


The lookout on a battleship spied a light in the night off the bow. The captain orders a signal sent to the other vessel.
"Advise you change course twenty degrees immediately."
The answer comes back.
"Advise you change course twenty degrees immediately."
The captain is furious. He signals.
" I am a captain. We are on a collision course. Alter your course twenty degrees now!"
The answer comes back.
"I am a seaman second class and I strongly urge you to alter your course now."
The captain is beside himself and signals.
" I am a battleship."
The signal comes back.
" I am a lighthouse."
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Re: The Question

Postby Beingof1 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:52 am

Diebert van Rhijn:

I'll take a shot. The question itself seems not functioning properly.

Creation could be said to be aspect of God, some would say "the father", others "demiurge", Brahma perhaps. There are also aspects which do not create or destroy, but nevertheless giving rise to many more names.

The question becomes then: why does "creator" creates? Why does a father have children? Why is a bachelor not married? In that spirit further boiled down: why is there creator/creation in the first place? Answer: since existence is being acknowledged. Within that acknowledgement, symbolised by A=A, object and subject become separated.


So then the acknowledged becomes the distinct and we have subject/object within the field of consciousness, true.

Actually Diebert, the question is: why do you choose to be alive?

Another problem is the tense of the word did, a paste tense which doesn't do justice to the knowledge that the past has no substance. If anything past equals god, since the present (us, being) is coming forth out of the past. And the past is a subset of the totality of possible causes; one.


Thanks for the clarity.

It is true that we are in a state of big bangs. Unfolding reality in the ever-present now.

Why did God create? Because this particular god is what god does: the instantiator. The why's are coming later, way later.


How about now?
The question put to Job.
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Re: The Question

Postby Beingof1 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:53 am

Animus

The question; Why did God create? Side-steps the very nature of God which is; to create.


This was one of my very first radiating paradigms. God loves to create.

Creation requires a phenomenality. A creation which has its affect, perceptually, on nothing, is functionally uncreate. If God were simply that which would exist in the absence of perceptual affect, then God would not exist. So, it is necessary therefore to have a perceptual domain upon which creation can produce its affect. Thus it is said, allegorically, that God created Man for whom creation was to be enjoyed. The allegory which states that all former creatures (angels) were created explicitly to worship God illustrates the role of Man in the creation. Not solely as a being inhabiting a world, but as a necessary element in the over-all act of Creation. Except that Man is not aware of this, hence he's been given the chance to ignore the gravity of his responsibility. Man, as the principle of perceptual affect, whose role it is to be awareness of God, must necessarily be aware of himself. Were it that one man inhabited the earth, he would not find the means for self-awareness, as his awareness is always stretching outward. Man is able to recognize himself by seeing himself in other men. Thus, of necessity, Man consists of many men. 7 billion currently.


BINGO. It is so very simple.

The root word of demon in the Greek means - the misplaced self. Most live in their head - instead live out from the heart of innermost being. Most, when speaking, talk from their head. If you speak from the heart you will notice that it vibrates every chord and fibre of the body (yours and the one you are speaking to).

It is a state of the field itself compressed into contemplation. God desires to expand, like a cell divides, and recreate you as fully as he is. God meets God eye to eye. You are it and there is no other. "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased."

God desires another God and tag, you are it. You are the way the infinite expands itself.

I'll snip it there, and give the short-hand version, which states that relativity is necessary both through and of conscious self-experience, for the fact of Creation, and that God constitutes the fact of it. "God" itself comes from PIE -ghut, meaning; to invoke. "Jehova" itself is said to mean "to cause" or "to become". In some translations of the Bible, when God is asked to give a name to Moses he says "I am becoming".

It is necessary, for the fact of Creation, that a history and future leading to a point of singularity be manifest in the physical medium. Yet, without the self-reflection, the universe could not have come into being, having no appearances. Thus, all of Creation started with Man, with an appearance of origins leading to a point of singularity. An infinite number of possible universes may have "passed", but would only have "passed" in relation to our experience of the present. Without the present moment, we would not be speaking of, nor conceiving of any "passed" or "past". The present moment hinges on the fact of our self-consciousness. In the universe which may have existed before self-consciousness, there was no point of reflection, so nothing came or went, was in the past or future, as there was no present. It would be completely as if it wasn't.

Also, for many, glorification of God is the principle duty of each and every human being. Your body is His temple.


Perfect and flawless wisdom in the above. I honor you sir.

And in so doing is the Totality expanded and blessed.

Thank you my beloved brother - you just gave me hope and my consciousness was lifted by and through you. When God looks out into the world he uses your eyes.

A zero is pointless unless you have another number. The zero cannot be seen or conceived itself unless there is the One(integer). It is what is. We cannot see or conceive ourself unless there is a universe.

God cannot see or conceive himself unless there is a you.

Spread the word in fearless agape. Remember - who he is - you are, in every regard once realized.
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Re: The Question

Postby Beingof1 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:54 am

Movingalways:

You have no answer to give me as to the why, the cause, of duality, as I have no answer to give you. When a man says he knows anything of God, I say, make a universe, and then we'll talk.



Have you created a universe?

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Re: The Question

Postby Beingof1 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:54 am

Jufa:

This question is that of the intellect, and because of this cannot be answered by the one who pose it, nor those who seek to answer it from the human mind.


Is that your intellect determining the question came from the human mind?

"You have the mind of Christ."
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Was Paul right here?

God did not create anything. "In the beginning God," nothing more, nothing less. If there is a creation, what then is that creation of if it is not God Itself?

How can God create that which He/She/It Is?


By slowing down the field of energy.

For example; if God had the thought " would it be better if I were not"? This very thought would create the experience of mortality and the manifestation of death.

If God had the thought " I desire companionship." This desire would create salvation and enlightenment.

You appear to think God is so far beyond that it is impossible to experience.

"Created the heaven and the earth." Creation, by any human logic, which cannot reach beyond it's own veil, cannot comprehend creation is an emanation of that which is, was, and shall always be.

Wonder who will make it an issue to answer these questions as they did in seeking an answer to their question?


This is because God cannot comprehend himself - same as you cannot comprehend yourself. That does not mean we do not make comparisons.

The polarities begin when the field of energy (spinning in a high state of white noise) is slowed to mass. Thought, in and of itself, compresses the field and creates the spin of the universe. Every thing is what you perceive it to be and therefore; the universe is mind and not little things lumped together.

The universe is Gods mind and you are his heart.
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Re: The Question

Postby Beingof1 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:56 am

I am almost done with a system of a way to restructure the genetic code. It can be done with consciousness. The DNA is formatted by conscious choice. This is the unlocking of the Garden of Eden and how the code itself can be formatted.

We have already done experiments with meditation and positive reinforcement of pre-born and born children. They learn at what can only be termed accelerated rates, like indigo children.

Jesus was raised with this kind of positive reinforcement. His mother knew, while he was in the womb, he was a blessing to mankind. After he was born, she sat him down and said "you are the son of God."

I am sure Jesus asked himself " if my Father is God, who does that make me"?

We can start pulling an Einstein and a Socrates out of each classroom by apllying this priniple on a universal scale and will propel the human race into a manifestation of higher consciousness.

More on this later.
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Re: The Question

Postby Blair » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:37 pm

Beingof1 wrote: They learn at what can only be termed accelerated rates, like indigo children.


You mean the ones who can't concentrate for more than five seconds, throw tantrums and have chronic ADD..?
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Re: The Question

Postby movingalways » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:50 pm

movingalways: You have no answer to give me as to the why, the cause, of duality, as I have no answer to give you. When a man says he knows anything of God, I say, make a universe, and then we'll talk.



Beingof1: Have you created a universe?

John visited a fiend Sam. Upon seeing John, Sam exclaimed "your dead."
" I can assure you, I am very much alive."
"That is impossible. I heard it from a much more reliable source than you that you are dead."


No, I have not created a universe. In my mind, I can imagine infinite universes of form, but this is not the same as being the creator of these forms. Man is a receiver/interpreter of thought, he is not its creator. This is why man cannot know the why of dualism. But man must be able to fully acknowledge to himself that he cannot know the why before he can begin the path to being moved beyond his human wisdom of good and evil and into his spirit wisdom of "thy grace is my sufficiency."
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Re: The Question

Postby movingalways » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:35 pm

Beingof1 wrote:I am almost done with a system of a way to restructure the genetic code. It can be done with consciousness. The DNA is formatted by conscious choice. This is the unlocking of the Garden of Eden and how the code itself can be formatted.

We have already done experiments with meditation and positive reinforcement of pre-born and born children. They learn at what can only be termed accelerated rates, like indigo children.

Jesus was raised with this kind of positive reinforcement. His mother knew, while he was in the womb, he was a blessing to mankind. After he was born, she sat him down and said "you are the son of God."

I am sure Jesus asked himself " if my Father is God, who does that make me"?

We can start pulling an Einstein and a Socrates out of each classroom by apllying this priniple on a universal scale and will propel the human race into a manifestation of higher consciousness.

More on this later.


Beingof1, there is no scripture that I am aware of wherein Mary sat Jesus down and said "you are the son of God." To my knowledge, the first time Jesus' relationship with his parents is mentioned in scriptures is when he wandered away from their sight at the age of 12 to listen to, and question, the rabbi's teachings. His parents were amazed that he knew the things he knew of spirit. The fact that they were amazed is evidence that they knew nothing of Jesus being "the son of God."

To my knowledge, the first time Jesus heard those words was after he was baptized by John the Baptist:

21Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

22And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, [his conscience] which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.


On the path to enlightenment, adherence to what is actually written in scripture, whatever is the scripture being studied, is critical. Man's task is to interpret what is written for benefit of his transcendence, but he is admonished not to change them, for in doing so, the essence of their purpose is compromised. This is why in Revelation, it is said:

18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


What you propose about applying the "Mary to Jesus" principle to every child then takes on a different meaning by what I have presented above, for Mary did not know what Jesus knew. And what Jesus knew was not of the God of "indigo children", which is of the Lord God of dualism [within dualism are the categories of self, "indigo" being just such a category]. The God Jesus knew was the Father who is transcendent to the Lord God, which is a different consciousness altogether. Father Consciousness does not divide his children [his thoughts] into categories; they are one in their omniety. So, when man tells a child "you are a son of God" but does not have Father Consciousness such as Jesus had, which his biological mother Mary did not have, he is holding him to the wisdom of the Lord God of dualism discernment.

The idea of a collective rising of man into "higher consciousness" such as you propose can only take man to the limits of the Lord God of the intellect of dividing self into two, into choice. The heights of the intellect of dualism, of choice, may indeed be a heightened realm of awareness, but it is not the realm of the Son of God the Father. It is the realm of the son of Man, to which Jesus himself was born and was transformed as he studied the things of the Father. To step beyond the realm of the son of Man and into the realm of the Son of God, one must fall to their knees and repent every idea that the God of Life Itself [not the human God of dividing of life into good and evil] is not whole, complete, perfect and pure NOW.
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Re: The Question

Postby jufa » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:20 am

Beingof1 wrote:Jufa:

Dualism is not imperfection of God because God [Life/Consciousness] cannot subjectify nor objectify that which He/She/It is.


Excellant sir - it would be like looking for light in sunshine.Just cannot see the light because of all the sunshine. True. This thought, when taken from its premise to conclusion, is truth. This is impossible for man to do. There is no 'outside'. True, there is only what is in your mind.

There is still the experience of heat when you touch a red hot stove. This is man's experience of of what is happening to himself. The experience of man however is his awareness within the living of Life. Living in ones aareness provides the experience of the heat Life provides because Life is the heat, a well as the red hot stove. If this is not true, thenyou could void Life, and live on your own without Life. Can you do that?

There is a body that is manifesting in the whole field of consciousness. Why? You left out the most important part of your statement, which is, what body? When you can tell me what body you are referring to, then, and only then can you receive an answer as to why.

For imperfection to be in God, of God, or about God, God would have to violate the very Principle Substance, and Pattern Essence of His/Her/It's commandment to steal no thought ["take no thought"], or do not take possession of that which you have received freely.


True, yet the experience of thought is present. But it is only present in you because you are an emanation of the expression of the experience which is taking place within and from the Source, or Godhead.

Philippians 4:8: Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things arehonest, whatsoever things arejust, whatsoever things arepure, whatsoever things arelovely, whatsoever things areof good report; if there beany virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these thingWhat is true, honest, just, lovely, of good report? Virtue toward what? Praise to Whom/What? How can one think on that ehich is a myth, a metaphor? or as Paul said: "an Unknown God?


A satire:
George told the doctor, "doc, I am sure I have liver disease."
"Thats ridiculous, there is no discomfort with liver disease."
"Exactly" said George. "Those are my symptoms." This has no place here.

But not only that, dualism, as all objects/subjects, people places and things do not exist to God, only Principles and Patterns which erect things of their kind by the law, which establish the certainty of the Substance and Essence of Life's intent and purpose, and which cannot deviate from the vision of "the law of the Spirit of life."


The lookout on a battleship spied a light in the night off the bow. The captain orders a signal sent to the other vessel.
"Advise you change course twenty degrees immediately."
The answer comes back.
"Advise you change course twenty degrees immediately."
The captain is furious. He signals.
" I am a captain. We are on a collision course. Alter your course twenty degrees now!"
The answer comes back.
"I am a seaman second class and I strongly urge you to alter your course now."
The captain is beside himself and signals.
" I am a battleship."
The signal comes back.
" I am a lighthouse." This has no place here.


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Re: The Question

Postby Beingof1 » Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:15 am

Blair wrote:
Beingof1 wrote: They learn at what can only be termed accelerated rates, like indigo children.


You mean the ones who can't concentrate for more than five seconds, throw tantrums and have chronic ADD..?


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Re: The Question

Postby Beingof1 » Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:33 am

movingalways wrote:
movingalways: You have no answer to give me as to the why, the cause, of duality, as I have no answer to give you. When a man says he knows anything of God, I say, make a universe, and then we'll talk.



Beingof1: Have you created a universe?

John visited a fiend Sam. Upon seeing John, Sam exclaimed "your dead."
" I can assure you, I am very much alive."
"That is impossible. I heard it from a much more reliable source than you that you are dead."


No, I have not created a universe. In my mind, I can imagine infinite universes of form, but this is not the same as being the creator of these forms. Man is a receiver/interpreter of thought, he is not its creator. This is why man cannot know the why of dualism. But man must be able to fully acknowledge to himself that he cannot know the why before he can begin the path to being moved beyond his human wisdom of good and evil and into his spirit wisdom of "thy grace is my sufficiency."


You are still not getting this - and I do care no matter what you think right now.

If you know nothing of nonduality - you cannot speak of it - know it - conceptualize it - experience it - share anything about it - or even know if it is true.
Are you getting this yet?

Beingof1, there is no scripture that I am aware of wherein Mary sat Jesus down and said "you are the son of God." To my knowledge, the first time Jesus' relationship with his parents is mentioned in scriptures is when he wandered away from their sight at the age of 12 to listen to, and question, the rabbi's teachings.


Yes and its right there in the story when he was in Jerusalem at the age of twelve. " Know ye not that I must be about my Fathers business." How did he know and what was Mary`s reaction.

His parents were amazed that he knew the things he knew of spirit. The fact that they were amazed is evidence that they knew nothing of Jesus being "the son of God."


I think you need to read the gospel story again - especially the beginning.

To my knowledge, the first time Jesus heard those words was after he was baptized by John the Baptist:


Nope - at age twelve.

On the path to enlightenment, adherence to what is actually written in scripture, whatever is the scripture being studied, is critical. Man's task is to interpret what is written for benefit of his transcendence, but he is admonished not to change them, for in doing so, the essence of their purpose is compromised. This is why in Revelation, it is said:


I didnt - I made an inference. It is quite logical if you read the gospels.

8For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


Yes I know moving, I grew up studying scripture. This is John saying the particular book of Revelation. Regardless I did not change a single word of scripture.

Are you OK?

What you propose about applying the "Mary to Jesus" principle to every child then takes on a different meaning by what I have presented above, for Mary did not know what Jesus knew. And what Jesus knew was not of the God of "indigo children", which is of the Lord God of dualism [within dualism are the categories of self, "indigo" being just such a category]. The God Jesus knew was the Father who is transcendent to the Lord God, which is a different consciousness altogether. Father Consciousness does not divide his children [his thoughts] into categories; they are one in their omniety. So, when man tells a child "you are a son of God" but does not have Father Consciousness such as Jesus had, which his biological mother Mary did not have, he is holding him to the wisdom of the Lord God of dualism discernment.


You did not understand me - and at this point - I do not think you want to.

The idea of a collective rising of man into "higher consciousness" such as you propose can only take man to the limits of the Lord God of the intellect of dividing self into two, into choice. The heights of the intellect of dualism, of choice, may indeed be a heightened realm of awareness, but it is not the realm of the Son of God the Father. It is the realm of the son of Man, to which Jesus himself was born and was transformed as he studied the things of the Father. To step beyond the realm of the son of Man and into the realm of the Son of God, one must fall to their knees and repent every idea that the God of Life Itself [not the human God of dividing of life into good and evil] is not whole, complete, perfect and pure NOW.


And you think a bug zapper and two electrodes will do it.

Will you ever ask - oh I get it - I am not the icon you hold in your mind as being the illuminated absolute. That would be Meister - and he is the mostest.
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Re: The Question

Postby Beingof1 » Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:35 am

jufa wrote:
Beingof1 wrote:Jufa:

Dualism is not imperfection of God because God [Life/Consciousness] cannot subjectify nor objectify that which He/She/It is.


Excellant sir - it would be like looking for light in sunshine.Just cannot see the light because of all the sunshine. True. This thought, when taken from its premise to conclusion, is truth. This is impossible for man to do. There is no 'outside'. True, there is only what is in your mind.

There is still the experience of heat when you touch a red hot stove. This is man's experience of of what is happening to himself. The experience of man however is his awareness within the living of Life. Living in ones aareness provides the experience of the heat Life provides because Life is the heat, a well as the red hot stove. If this is not true, thenyou could void Life, and live on your own without Life. Can you do that?

There is a body that is manifesting in the whole field of consciousness. Why? You left out the most important part of your statement, which is, what body? When you can tell me what body you are referring to, then, and only then can you receive an answer as to why.

For imperfection to be in God, of God, or about God, God would have to violate the very Principle Substance, and Pattern Essence of His/Her/It's commandment to steal no thought ["take no thought"], or do not take possession of that which you have received freely.


True, yet the experience of thought is present. But it is only present in you because you are an emanation of the expression of the experience which is taking place within and from the Source, or Godhead.

Philippians 4:8: Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things arehonest, whatsoever things arejust, whatsoever things arepure, whatsoever things arelovely, whatsoever things areof good report; if there beany virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these thingWhat is true, honest, just, lovely, of good report? Virtue toward what? Praise to Whom/What? How can one think on that ehich is a myth, a metaphor? or as Paul said: "an Unknown God?


A satire:
George told the doctor, "doc, I am sure I have liver disease."
"Thats ridiculous, there is no discomfort with liver disease."
"Exactly" said George. "Those are my symptoms." This has no place here.

But not only that, dualism, as all objects/subjects, people places and things do not exist to God, only Principles and Patterns which erect things of their kind by the law, which establish the certainty of the Substance and Essence of Life's intent and purpose, and which cannot deviate from the vision of "the law of the Spirit of life."


The lookout on a battleship spied a light in the night off the bow. The captain orders a signal sent to the other vessel.
"Advise you change course twenty degrees immediately."
The answer comes back.
"Advise you change course twenty degrees immediately."
The captain is furious. He signals.
" I am a captain. We are on a collision course. Alter your course twenty degrees now!"
The answer comes back.
"I am a seaman second class and I strongly urge you to alter your course now."
The captain is beside himself and signals.
" I am a battleship."
The signal comes back.
" I am a lighthouse." This has no place here.


Never give power to anything a person believes is their sourcer of strength - jufa


This has no place here.
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