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What the...

Postby drax » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:30 am

Hello.

As a follower of the videos in youtube, I have found these days the Menoftheinfinite channel and then I got a lot of questions about it.

So, let´s start!

A) What is the "infinite"?
B) Why is this knowledge important?
C) What are your political views and takes on the world?
D) Do you guys want to live forever?
E) If so, what are your views on vegetarianism? I mean, humans live only by consuming animals. Do you agree that this state of affairs will forever be?
F) If so, why do you want to live forever?
G) Do you actually believe that we can be alive, as we are now, after death?
H) I, as a common kid, stayed home last night and watched cartoons or sitcoms while drinking coke, and eating junk food. Or I visited a pornographic website. Or I went out to drink and smoke, and try and get girls and so forth. Question. Do you guys have anything against those behaviors and why?
I) If so, what are better ways of living you could show us, pratically?
J) Do you guys want to form a church or something of the like?

I guess that´s it for now. I´d like to hear some responses to that, but take your time. After those questions I guess I´ll have a better insight of what you mean in the vids.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: What the...

Postby Dan Rowden » Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:19 am

Hey there. I'll reply to these questions asap. Stay tuned.
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Re: What the...

Postby Blair » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:10 pm

So when are you gonna reply to this poor son of a bitch, Dan?
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Re: What the...

Postby drax » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:47 am

prince wrote:So when are you gonna reply to this poor son of a bitch, Dan?


Look who´s talking.

Apparently he´s busy.
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Re: What the...

Postby Dan Rowden » Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:59 am

A) What is the "infinite"?
B) Why is this knowledge important?


I've just started a 3 part video series dealing with these very questions. I'll leave my answer for that series

C) What are your political views and takes on the world?

I'm nominally a socialist, but politics is not something I take a huge interest in as that realm will always be problematic whilst humanity remains so deluded.

D) Do you guys want to live forever?

I could live with that.

E) If so, what are your views on vegetarianism? I mean, humans live only by consuming animals. Do you agree that this state of affairs will forever be?

I'm not a veggie. I don't think there's any sustainable argument for it, really. But, there may come a time when there are economic/environmental concerns that make it necessary. I'll live with it if that happens, as long as I don't have to eat too much celery.

F) If so, why do you want to live forever?

Why not? I'm easy either way, really.

G) Do you actually believe that we can be alive, as we are now, after death?

No. By definition that's impossible (by the meaning of "death").

H) I, as a common kid, stayed home last night and watched cartoons or sitcoms while drinking coke, and eating junk food. Or I visited a pornographic website. Or I went out to drink and smoke, and try and get girls and so forth. Question. Do you guys have anything against those behaviors and why?

That's a rather large question. The real question would be what you gain from them and why you require that gain.

I) If so, what are better ways of living you could show us, pratically?

I would say thinking about things, but that's a question of what you value.

J) Do you guys want to form a church or something of the like?

God no!
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Re: What the...

Postby Blair » Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:10 pm

drax wrote:
prince wrote:So when are you gonna reply to this poor son of a bitch, Dan?


Look who´s talking.


Well you're the one asking the questions. The fact that you are asking the QRS makes you pretty lame from the get-go.

They are just ordinary guys, with a strong philosophical bias.( a foolhardy one I might add)
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Re: What the...

Postby Dan Rowden » Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:19 pm

I'm trying to pinpoint the moment when you became a creationist dolt, Prince. It's escaping me. Must have happened over night some time.
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Re: What the...

Postby Blair » Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:41 pm

It didn't happen overnight, but over a few days.

It just clicked, Dan.

It's so obvious when you can see clearly.
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Re: What the...

Postby Nick Treklis » Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:49 pm

Creationism, so easy a cave-man can do it!
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Re: What the...

Postby Ryan Rudolph » Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:30 pm

creationism is the ego's knee jerk reaction to the possibility that we are not that special, that we have animal ancestry, and heaven may not be waiting for us after death.

A belief in creationism is a pacifier for the soul. It may provide temporary comfort when you are an infant, when when you reach the age of reason, it just becomes embarrassing...
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Re: What the...

Postby Carl G » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:27 pm

Ryan Rudolph wrote:creationism is the ego's knee jerk reaction to the possibility that we are not that special, that we have animal ancestry, and heaven may not be waiting for us after death.

A belief in creationism is a pacifier for the soul. It may provide temporary comfort when you are an infant, when when you reach the age of reason, it just becomes embarrassing...

Those are some weak-assed aphorisms there, Ryan. Generality as wisdom just don't cut it.
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Re: What the...

Postby Blair » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:48 pm

Ryan Rudolph wrote:creationism is the ego's knee jerk reaction to the possibility that we are not that special, that we have animal ancestry, and heaven may not be waiting for us after death.

A belief in creationism is a pacifier for the soul. It may provide temporary comfort when you are an infant, when when you reach the age of reason, it just becomes embarrassing...


You keep on thinking that dickweaselly little boy.

belief> doubt> knowing.

You are stage two. As most people are. You are really ordinary Ryan, get used to the idea. God probably has no interest in the likes of a twit like you.
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Re: What the...

Postby Ryan Rudolph » Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:58 am

Prince,

Do you think resorting to name calling is a mature thing to do? btw, there is no logical explanation to justify a belief in creationism. I have three words for you: Fossils and Carbon dating. Creationism is disproved so easily with evidence from fossils and carbon dating. Pick up a biology book sometime, and burn that old dusty bible because the thing is irrelevant. All religious texts should be burned actually, such an assault on reason.
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Re: What the...

Postby Cory Duchesne » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:07 am

Not to mention you can (perhaps more effectively than science) reveal the absurdity of creationism through philosophy alone. Just do some basic logic sitting on the couch.
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Re: What the...

Postby Carl G » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:46 am

Ryan Rudolph wrote: there is no logical explanation to justify a belief in creationism. I have three words for you: Fossils and Carbon dating. Creationism is disproved so easily with evidence from fossils and carbon dating.

Creationism does not preclude the existence of fossils.

Ryan, I'm just trying to get you to think clearly before you speak.
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Re: What the...

Postby Steven Coyle » Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:16 am

The man lives in a golden palace frought with nimbers and elders of yore
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Re: What the...

Postby Robert » Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:36 am

prince wrote:It didn't happen overnight, but over a few days.

It just clicked, Dan.

It's so obvious when you can see clearly.

prince, could you describe what happened, what clicked, over those few days?
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Re: What the...

Postby Ryan Rudolph » Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:46 am

Carl,

Creationists who get their beliefs through religion always deny the actual age of the earth, and they deny that human beings came into being through some natural gradual process on the planet, despite all fossil evidence, and our obvious genetic link to higher mammals such as apes.

They usually invoke theories of supernatural intervention, which isn't logical.
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Re: What the...

Postby Anders Schlander » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:18 am

@ Ryan, to somebody who values evidence it wouldn't seem logical. I know that's what u mean, but it's only 'not-logical' in light of being open minded to the evidence you're talking about

i'd word it as 'which is evidence that people don't care about evidence' as I doubt people who belief in creationism has never been somewhat exposed to contrary evidence.





I think people make up supernatural interventions because to 'animals', it's an easy solution, and because people don't really have minds strong enough to investigate, so it's pretty easy to settle down in that belief.

Many people also adopt evolution without thought too, only because it's the 'intellectual trend'. precisely because they don't give it their own thought. It's just whatever the majority seems to think. So in denmark people belief in evolution but don't really know what it is. That's how i percieve things, atleast.

Not many people actually know much about evolution, they just reject creationism. But i still hold that they reject it without seriously investigating the options. So how are we to make whether they couldnt have taken any other view point?
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Re: What the...

Postby Carmel » Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:45 am

Anders Schlanders:
Many people also adopt evolution without thought too, only because it's the 'intellectual trend'. precisely because they don't give it their own thought. It's just whatever the majority seems to think. So in denmark people belief in evolution but don't really know what it is. That's how i percieve things, atleast.

Carmel:
I think that's true in the United States too. I've actually studied it, so that's why I believe in it, but I don't think that's always the case.

Anders Schlanders:
Not many people actually know much about evolution, they just reject creationism. But i still hold that they reject it without seriously investigating the options. So how are we to make whether they couldnt have taken any other view point?

Carmel:
I agree with that too. People should explore all possibilities. I have also explored the creationist/id "arguments". There's no way to prove them because it's a belief system; there is no evidence. It would be akin to trying to prove God's existence.
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Re: What the...

Postby Anders Schlander » Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:47 pm

Most importantly the question of wether you belief in creationism goes back to whether or not you understand cause & effect. To see that all things happen through 'natural selection' . that is, by its conditions. but obviously, theres the question of evidence too.

For example though, if like a polar bear has no place to stand on because all the ice melts, it will eventually die in the water.
People that havn't thought about cause and effect can't wrap their heads around evolution's fundemental nature, which means not only do likely make mistakes when talking about evolution, they also make mistakes in every other aspect of their lives.

My own biology teacher himself knows evolution, but not cause and effect. Everything is a huge grid of catagories with him and it means he's not used to seeing cause and effect everywhere.

So, ordinary people (people who are oblivious to cause and effect) thereby misunderstand evolution & how everything works the same way.
Even those trained in evolution fail to understand it properly. Whether anybody belongs to creationism or evolution is completely irrelevant if they don't understand cause and effect - we don't need to worry about either 2's opinion.

'A thing exists relative to what it is not, and without the conditions needed for a thing to arise, it will not.' right?

'Where did everything come from?'.
Since the universe IS everything it isn't caused by anything. Which almost everybody seems to "forget".
And theres many other very stupid ways that the creationists weave their little 'arguments' together, they care little about their own logic, but expect others to take them serious :)

edited a couple times, finding it a bit hard to make it 'bearable to read'
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Re: What the...

Postby Gurrb » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:41 pm

i find the man of the infinite is anthithesis to who we value as intellectuals. am i to be attacked, sheep of non-conformity, logic, and thought?
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Re: What the...

Postby drax » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:24 pm

prince wrote:
drax wrote:
prince wrote:Well you're the one asking the questions. The fact that you are asking the QRS makes you pretty lame from the get-go.


I see... so you think asking questions makes you lame... that´s why you are a creationist!

You almost fooled me there for a moment! :)
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Re: What the...

Postby drax » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:49 pm

Thanks Dan, for the answers!!! =)
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Re: What the...

Postby Gurrb » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:02 am

it takes a smart man to answer questions. it takes a creative man to question answers.
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