Define "the disease".Carl G wrote:The Police State isn't about cops, in my opinion. Cops are one symptom, they are not the disease.
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Do you think the problem is the police?
The police are just enforcers. So is the military, for that matter. Does that answer your question?
The police are just enforcers. So is the military, for that matter. Does that answer your question?
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I didn't ask a question, just for a definition of "the disease".Carl G wrote:Do you think the problem is the police?
The police are just enforcers. So is the military, for that matter. Does that answer your question?
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The disease is the entity which calls for the enforcing. The entity is made up of two parts, one active and the other inactive. The active part is the corrupt government, the inactive part is the public in denial.
Now please answer my question: do you (as many of your links seem to indicate) think the police are the problem?
Now please answer my question: do you (as many of your links seem to indicate) think the police are the problem?
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First, answer me this: Which came first - the corrupt government -or- the public in denial?Carl G wrote:The disease is the entity which calls for the enforcing. The entity is made up of two parts, one active and the other inactive. The active part is the corrupt government, the inactive part is the public in denial.
Now please answer my question: do you (as many of your links seem to indicate) think the police are the problem?
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They grew hand in hand, of course.
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Please, that is no answer...Carl G wrote:They grew hand in hand, of course.
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Considering that the American government originally was the public, it would pretty much have to be hand-in-hand like Carl said. It started falling apart before there was a them vs us to choose from.
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Considering that the American government originally was the public,
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Define "the public".
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it would pretty much have to be hand-in-hand like Carl said.
-tomas-
Lemme here your take, Carl abbreviates his when he hasn't much of a clue.
-Elizabeth-
It started falling apart before there was a them vs us to choose from.
-tomas-
So, when did "It" start falling apart?
-Elizabeth Isabelle-
Considering that the American government originally was the public,
-tomas-
Define "the public".
--Elizabeth-
it would pretty much have to be hand-in-hand like Carl said.
-tomas-
Lemme here your take, Carl abbreviates his when he hasn't much of a clue.
-Elizabeth-
It started falling apart before there was a them vs us to choose from.
-tomas-
So, when did "It" start falling apart?
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Going hand in hand means they grew together over time, the public becoming giving away its power as the controllers took more power. Now people look at the TV news and go "uh-uh" as such things as surveillance, torture, and the fire-bombing of third world villages are defended. My point is really quite simple, Tomas, there's no need for your condescension.
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I wasn't being condescending, you give me the impression you've.........given up. Who gives a shit about third world villages - I've been there done that, old news.Carl G wrote:Going hand in hand means they grew together over time, the public becoming giving away its power as the controllers took more power. Now people look at the TV news and go "uh-uh" as such things as surveillance, torture, and the fire-bombing of third world villages are defended. My point is really quite simple, Tomas, there's no need for your condescension.
Elizabeth started this thread about life in the US, not fawking Israel...
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Texas Independence Moving Forward
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Texas Independence Moving Forward
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If the federal government uses hard tactics to disperse or control the crowds, it will more
than likely be the catalyst for a state wide rebellion, expecially if there are casualties.
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Texas Independence Moving Forward
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If the federal government uses hard tactics to disperse or control the crowds, it will more
than likely be the catalyst for a state wide rebellion, expecially if there are casualties.
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http://mat-rodina.blogspot.com/2009/06/ ... rward.html
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Excuse me? That sounds like you giving up.Tomas wrote:I wasn't being condescending, you give me the impression you've.........given up. Who gives a shit about third world villages - I've been there done that, old news.Carl G wrote:Going hand in hand means they grew together over time, the public becoming giving away its power as the controllers took more power. Now people look at the TV news and go "uh-uh" as such things as surveillance, torture, and the fire-bombing of third world villages are defended. My point is really quite simple, Tomas, there's no need for your condescension.
I am speaking of life in the U.S.Elizabeth started this thread about life in the US, not fawking Israel...
Where in this thread did I bring up Israel ?
Justice Department seeks dismissal of Apache suit
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Justice Department seeks dismissal of Apache suit
Geronimo, Skull and Bones
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He [Ramsey Clark] said the important question is why the federal
government wants to keep Geronimo buried at Fort Sill.
"They're still fighting the Indian wars, and they want to retain the
remains of Geronimo to show that they won," he said.
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Justice Department seeks dismissal of Apache suit
Geronimo, Skull and Bones
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He [Ramsey Clark] said the important question is why the federal
government wants to keep Geronimo buried at Fort Sill.
"They're still fighting the Indian wars, and they want to retain the
remains of Geronimo to show that they won," he said.
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The subject of the return of indian bones is an interesting one.
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/131029_remains16.html
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/131029_remains16.html
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While it's true that things naturally arise together - Dependent origination and all that - the origination of the American government was not exactly from "the public." Well, it was, kind of, but "the public" at that time meant white, land-owning men, and naturally the laws and structure of government was designed to protect the interests of white, land-owning men. That was the "us."Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:Considering that the American government originally was the public, it would pretty much have to be hand-in-hand like Carl said. It started falling apart before there was a them vs us to choose from.
The interests of blacks, native Americans, the poor and women, for example, were not represented and were protected to the extent that their interests were the same as those of the ones writing the laws. (The rich and poor alike are equally prohibited from sleeping under bridges.)
Extending the idea of "the public" to include everyone is an ongoing process, with, for instance, gays still fighting for rights, and it wasn't all that long ago we had a president who said that athiests were not really citizens.
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The origination of the government was through people. The Constitution is an inspired document. It comes from the Son.DHodges wrote:While it's true that things naturally arise together - Dependent origination and all that - the origination of the American government was not exactly from "the public." Well, it was, kind of, but "the public" at that time meant white, land-owning men, and naturally the laws and structure of government was designed to protect the interests of white, land-owning men. That was the "us."Elizabeth Isabelle wrote:Considering that the American government originally was the public, it would pretty much have to be hand-in-hand like Carl said. It started falling apart before there was a them vs us to choose from.
Common law vs. admiralty law
Life vs. commerce. Life is first.
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Atty. Gen. to classify pro-life, pro-gun Americans as terror
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Atty. Gen. to classify pro-life, pro-gun Americans as terrorists
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In fact, one provision -- Section 2(b)(4) -- states: "[To] meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security."
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Atty. Gen. to classify pro-life, pro-gun Americans as terrorists
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In fact, one provision -- Section 2(b)(4) -- states: "[To] meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security."
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Leonard Peltier up for parole
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Political prisoner Leonard Peltier is up for parole this month (see photo)
Read Leonard Peltier's full June 26 statement. Peltier is up for parole on July 28. His supporters and friends
have launched a letter-writing campaign to support his release from prison after 34 years.
"...I am not a philosopher or poet or a singer or any of those things that particularly inspire people, but the one
thing that I am is the evidence that this country lied when they said there was justice for all..." (see photo)
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Political prisoner Leonard Peltier is up for parole this month (see photo)
Read Leonard Peltier's full June 26 statement. Peltier is up for parole on July 28. His supporters and friends
have launched a letter-writing campaign to support his release from prison after 34 years.
"...I am not a philosopher or poet or a singer or any of those things that particularly inspire people, but the one
thing that I am is the evidence that this country lied when they said there was justice for all..." (see photo)
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Our Chrysalis
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Our Chrysalis - The American Metamorphosis
The Real Project for the New American Century
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Our Chrysalis - The American Metamorphosis
The Real Project for the New American Century
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Pope endorses "World Political Authority"
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Pope endorses "World Political Authority"
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Pope Benedict XVI's "Charity in Truth" statement is a radical document that puts the
Roman Catholic Church firmly on the side of an emerging world government.
The controversial papal statement comes just before a meeting of the G-8 nations and
a scheduled meeting between the Pope and President Obama at the vatican on July 10.
The "teeth" may come in adopting the global environmental agenda, which the Pope warmly endorses.
He doesn't explain how it will be possible for citizens to influence or control this
"world political authority" when they are under its bureaucratic authority.
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Pope endorses "World Political Authority"
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Pope Benedict XVI's "Charity in Truth" statement is a radical document that puts the
Roman Catholic Church firmly on the side of an emerging world government.
The controversial papal statement comes just before a meeting of the G-8 nations and
a scheduled meeting between the Pope and President Obama at the vatican on July 10.
The "teeth" may come in adopting the global environmental agenda, which the Pope warmly endorses.
He doesn't explain how it will be possible for citizens to influence or control this
"world political authority" when they are under its bureaucratic authority.
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Science Czar, says:
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Science Czar, says: A transnational "Planetary regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.
see photo of science czar, John Holdren
http://zombietime.com/john_holdren
Science Czar, says: A transnational "Planetary regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.
see photo of science czar, John Holdren
http://zombietime.com/john_holdren
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Tase Early - Tase Often
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Tase Early - Tase Often
Road and Driver
The shocking truth about speed busts: sometimes a ticket is not the worst part
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/co ... ten_column
Tase Early - Tase Often
Road and Driver
The shocking truth about speed busts: sometimes a ticket is not the worst part
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/co ... ten_column
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The Makings of a Police State
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The Makings of a Police State
Aren't We There?
By Sibel Edmonds
http://www.123realchange.blogspot.com/2 ... state.html
The Makings of a Police State
Aren't We There?
By Sibel Edmonds
http://www.123realchange.blogspot.com/2 ... state.html
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