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awiseman wrote:French, German, Swedish, and yes, Irish. Probably some English too. Thank God I have that fighting Irish spirit in me though, otherwise I might be holding up a sign somewhere that says 'Refugees Welcome'.
By the sound of it: mid-aged mid-west US "hillbilly" of mostly British, Anglo-Saxon heritage. Although not much to be proud on there, I have no big problems with your opinions so far, at least you dare. But I would like to see more of your thoughts on the nature of the sexes and even reality. Or do you have nothing to add to other people's writing, as someone's little bitch ;-)

Feel free to start a thread and find at least some common ground to discuss matters. We can come back to races later.
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Santiago / Alex / etc. etc.,
Santiago Odo wrote:In my view, Occidental man must become conscious of his own metaphysical underpinnings, and this absolutely means to fathom and comprehend the Christian metaphysic as a model of perception and understanding of *the World*. Without it, one cannot understand, with it a Key is offered.
By this line of reasoning, man must first hide great treasure in a labyrinth of dreams and mirrors, in order to wrap this illusion in the belief that they are on a great quest to find a grail. Trying is not The Way. There is no effort required. Understanding, or drinking the water of wisdom, is ultimately effortless and doesn't even require any drinking.




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awiseman wrote:
Russell Parr wrote:
dictionary.com wrote:Faustian -

Sacrificing spiritual values for power, knowledge, or material gain.
Whoops, you just exposed yourself.
Conveniently you left out this definition: possessed with a hunger for knowledge or mastery.
"Possessed with a hunger" refers to insatiability, which is counter-productive to spiritual wisdom. Furthermore, I don't see why anyone with respect to their own spirituality would associate themselves with a character who, according to wikipedia, "is highly successful yet dissatisfied with his life, which leads him to make a pact with the Devil, exchanging his soul for unlimited knowledge and worldly pleasures."

Anyway, I'd like to present a refresher on an idea I brought up over in Worldly Matters some time ago, formulated by Sir John Glubb, called "The Fate Of Empires." (Don't worry awm, the guy in the video won't offend your sensibilities.)

There are large scale cycles that humanity is inherently a part of. All actions, including attempts in changing the course, result in the progression of these cycles. The era of US global rulership is coming to an end. Who will succeed the US? It's hard to say, but my money's on the Chinese.
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Diebert wrote:This is just one isolated view. The forum discourse itself involves quote regularly interpretations of some little Middle Eastern and quite some Chinese and Indian output which could be interpreted purely "occidental" or even accidental, or perhaps not.
The Forum is a post-Christian forum, because our culture is a post-Christian culture. The Blessed Founders are Occidental men, coming out of an Occidental matrix which has infused itself down into their minds, souls and bones.

The Occidental person has a particular path and set of issues to work out. This does not change when he choses to jump into other 'traditions' as I say. It was in this sense that I made my comments. In my view, little advantage is gained, when all is said and done, by these adventures into foreign systems though there is advantage in the comparative approach.

Since it will always happen that DD and K are the topics, or the reference points, one must say that no matter how hard any one of them tries, he will not ever succeed in getting away from his own self, its requirements, it motion and movement. This is another sense in which we are ;ocked, by steel-clad destiny, to turn around and clearly examine who we are and where we have come from.
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AWM wrote:I smile every time I see a white liberal spreading the good word of Christianity, oops I mean Socialism, to POC; only to see the POC smack down the white liberal for not checking their white privilege and not doing enough to uplift POC.
You significantly misunderstood. What I said is true if one is or if one is not a 'believer'. Western culture is so infused with Greco-Christianity that it will not ever be untangled. I smile too when I encounter a person who is largely ignorant of all that which made us us. But I am not cynical or negative. I believe that part of the resurrection of European Identity will be (should be) an intellectual movement, a spiritual movement, a movement within the family and the community, and this opposed to some disconnection *voice* as yours seems to be.

I could further explain how central Christian categories are to Occidental persons. In fact it is a siginficant plank in my own program of study and has been for some years now.

No one on this forum has any significant historical background and, largely, they function as-against the Occident in its most central and necessary senses. That is why it has not, nor will it ever, get anywhere. Part of rewriting it is to bring all this and so much more into the picture. I do it whether it is understood or not.
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Eric wrote:By this line of reasoning, man must first hide great treasure in a labyrinth of dreams and mirrors, in order to wrap this illusion in the belief that they are on a great quest to find a grail. Trying is not The Way. There is no effort required. Understanding, or drinking the water of wisdom, is ultimately effortless and doesn't even require any drinking.
That was all a statement, Eric, a set of declarations about your understanding. In order to explain what I meant and what I mean requires a good deal of time and energy. It is of course more difficult when, for whatever reason, someone or *the general audience*, is disinterested in the topic or has another will that, again for whatever reason, they wish to impose.

I do understand the logic in your position, or better put I underdstand the logical position that brings you to it. It is common these days though few can articulate it. You are right in the sense that to examine 1500 years of Occidental history and spiritual psychology is to enter into a land of dreams, but such is the world of man's imagination, or man's imagined world.

Still, if I had to make a statement, the one I would make is that this *knowledge* that you refer to sententiously, and that you presume to have, is the sort of knowledge that will take you out of relationship to all that has made us us; our culture; a relationship to its tragectory; the issues we all must deal with, and more. That is my position. I see your *knowledge* as a strategy to deal with the confusion of the present, and this is how I have generally speaking seen, and still understand, our Forum Fathers. This present conversation is occurring in a context, as we all occur withi a context. For this reason, though respecfully, I make the comments that I do.
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White guilt is a negative side effect of progressive movements like BLM, which is positive in ideology. As it goes with all movements, counterproductive expressions and actions by the weak minded, hyperreactive members are inevitable.

White guilt is indeed a problem, but it is important to understand how it has manifested, what it is the result of, which is the subtle and systematic racism that blacks experience in the West. White guilt-ism is the equal and opposite reaction to subtle racism. Both of which are incredibly toxic to society.

AWM, it would do you well to check out Jane Elliot's blue eyed brown eyed exercise. It demonstrates just how easy it is to be racist and the toxic effects it has on its victims' well being and self esteem.

The solution to all of this is for everyone to treat everyone else as if they are capable of virtuous behaviour. Believing and behaving otherwise does indeed keep others down. This does not mean ignore the shortcomings of others, but to help them address their flaws in a progressive, instead of derogatory, manner. This goes for every race.
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Russell Parr wrote:White guilt is a negative side effect of the progressive movements like BLM, which is positive in ideology. As it goes with all movements, counterproductive expressions and actions by the weak minded, hyperreactive members are inevitable.
White guilt is not a side effect of anti white movements like BLM. White guilt is the enabler of these things. If whites had a healthy sense of identity and purpose we wouldn't tolerate BLM, not even for a single day. Try to imagine how your ancestors would have dealt with BLM. They would have put those animals down in an instant. To contradict your ancestors in this regard shows how rootless and deracinated you are. It certainly doesn't make you wise and enlightened. It makes you look week and foolish.
Russell Parr wrote:AWM, it would do you well to check out Jane Elliot's blue eyed brown eyed exercise. It demonstrates just how easy it is to be racist and the toxic effects it has on it's victims' well being and self esteem.
That is the type of virulent anti-white propaganda that has convinced me that ALL public schools and universities need to be shut down and purged of the Social Marxist professors. Notice how that old cunt acts and behaves like a Catholic nun? Have you ever thought that the reason non-whites always feel like they're being mistreated isn't because whites are so evil and racist and that the reason they feel this way is because they don't belong in our civilization? This is ours, everything about Europe and North America is OURS, it is US, it is our biology manifesting in art, culture, politics, architecture, spirituality, EVERYTHING. They will never feel comfortable or at home in our world, not until they have reduced us to a small minority or we've gone extinct, at which point in time it WON'T be ours anymore, it will be THEIRS. Are you prepared to throw away your ancestral identity and the birthright of future generations of our race just so nobody can call you a racist!? Did you know that the Racism was a term invented by Marxists to shut down the healthy defenses of our European psyche by exploiting our desire to be seen as moral and good?
Russell Parr wrote:The solution to all of this is for everyone to treat everyone else as if they are capable of virtuous behaviour. Believing and behaving otherwise does indeed keep others down. This does not mean ignore the shortcomings of others, but to help them address their flaws in a progressive, instead of derogatory, manner. This goes for every race.
The fact that you feel like you even have to say something like this proves how broken your spirit is. They have trained you to be weak and timid. Everything in this world is built on spilled blood and broken bones, not catering to the weaknesses of others. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you'll be able to take control your destiny.
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Russell,

Check out this youtube channel and watch some of his videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLfhh6 ... gXXKQ5NWvw

His latest video was pretty good. Watch his old stuff too. Let me know what you think.
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awiseman wrote:
Russell Parr wrote:White guilt is a negative side effect of the progressive movements like BLM, which is positive in ideology. As it goes with all movements, counterproductive expressions and actions by the weak minded, hyperreactive members are inevitable.
White guilt is not a side effect of anti white movements like BLM. White guilt is the enabler of these things. If whites had a healthy sense of identity and purpose we wouldn't tolerate BLM, not even for a single day. Try to imagine how your ancestors would have dealt with BLM. They would have put those animals down in an instant. To contradict your ancestors in this regard shows how rootless and deracinated you are. It certainly doesn't make you wise and enlightened. It makes you look week and foolish.
But they didn't put "those animals" down because they can't. You should realize this is an uphill battle that you'll never win.
Russell Parr wrote:AWM, it would do you well to check out Jane Elliot's blue eyed brown eyed exercise. It demonstrates just how easy it is to be racist and the toxic effects it has on it's victims' well being and self esteem.
That is the type of virulent anti-white propaganda that has convinced me that ALL public schools and universities need to be shut down and purged of the Social Marxist professors. Notice how that old cunt acts and behaves like a Catholic nun? Have you ever thought that the reason non-whites always feel like they're being mistreated isn't because whites are so evil and racist and that the reason they feel this way is because they don't belong in our civilization? This is ours, everything about Europe and North America is OURS, it is US, it is our biology manifesting in art, culture, politics, architecture, spirituality, EVERYTHING. They will never feel comfortable or at home in our world, not until they have reduced us to a small minority or we've gone extinct, at which point in time it WON'T be ours anymore, it will be THEIRS. Are you prepared to throw away your ancestral identity and the birthright of future generations of our race just so nobody can call you a racist!? Did you know that the Racism was a term invented by Marxists to shut down the healthy defenses of our European psyche by exploiting our desire to be seen as moral and good?
I'm not an advocate for Elliot's methods, nor do I agree with some of her quips like "all white people are racist," but she was able to clearly demonstrate the effects of derogatory discrimination. It's a shame you aren't able to see this.

Like it or not, POC are an integral part of American society, and have contributed a great deal to the advancement of civilization. This nation, just like the world, belongs to all of its inhabitants; not just the ruling class.
Russell Parr wrote:The solution to all of this is for everyone to treat everyone else as if they are capable of virtuous behaviour. Believing and behaving otherwise does indeed keep others down. This does not mean ignore the shortcomings of others, but to help them address their flaws in a progressive, instead of derogatory, manner. This goes for every race.
The fact that you feel like you even have to say something like this proves how broken your spirit is. They have trained you to be weak and timid. Everything in this world is built on spilled blood and broken bones, not catering to the weaknesses of others. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you'll be able to take control your destiny.
Did you misread what I said? I said nothing of catering to the weaknesses of others, nor would I advocate such an idea. Yes, POC have their faults. But so do whites. We all have to courageously help each other to improve, because we will have to deal with each other in one way or another, eventually and inevitably. Attitudes like yours only provoke war and injustice, with the ultimate manifestation resulting in mass genocide. Can't you see? Stop being so bitter!

I'll check out the video channel you mentioned a bit later when I have time.
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A couple of details that will surely be useful to you AWM: Russsell is Black; obviously you know that Jupi is from India; and I was raised in a Jewish non-practicing family (which veered away into Eastern religions).
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awiseman wrote:
Dan Rowden wrote:I don't think I'm interested in engaging you further without knowing your identity. Since you're a man of your convictions, one of superior intellect and courage, I'm sure you won't have any issue with revealing that. It would be disappointing if you turn out to be a snowflake.
I've called you on your bullshit, so this is your way out.

Anonymity is too valuable to me in this politically correct climate of fempowerment and anti-whiteness. If you find that freely expressing your thoughts pose no threat to your freedom or income, you should ask yourself whose side you're really on.

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You wouldn't demand I reveal my identity if I were a woman.
Snowflake. I didn't demand anything. I appreciate the need for anonymity in some circumstances, but I'm not finding yours especially convincing. The main reason I'm asking about your identity is that I'm getting an extremely strong deja vu feeling regarding you. Your gender is irrelevant to that.

And yes, I agree with Kevin and David regarding the nature of the feminine, but not always with their strategies in communicating the substance of it.
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AWM wrote:White guilt is not a side effect of anti white movements like BLM. White guilt is the enabler of these things. If whites had a healthy sense of identity and purpose we wouldn't tolerate BLM, not even for a single day. Try to imagine how your ancestors would have dealt with BLM. They would have put those animals down in an instant. To contradict your ancestors in this regard shows how rootless and deracinated you are. It certainly doesn't make you wise and enlightened. It makes you look week and foolish.
Your analysis is too limited, too slanted, too biased, too incomplete. In fact 'white guilt' is much more complex. It has to be unraveled. White guilt is a result of religious, and also Christian, introspection. It is also a simple awareness of a very bad situation that the white early American brought upon himself with the importation of slaves. Take for example Thomas Jefferson who wrote, intelligently, on his perceptions of the condition of those men and women who were his slaves. The Northern Puritans were absolutely, and religiously, opposed to slavery, and they expressed their total indignation of the institution of slavery in such terms that it is still alive today. Generally, the northern attitude toward the South, is inflected with those sentiments.

It is accurate therefor to say that 'white guilt' enabled a great deal as the cultural anthropology shifted from one era to another, from the olden anthropology to the modern anthropology. But this same white guilt also brought slavery to a formal end within the British empire as a declared, non-negotiable stance on the issue. White guilt is a form of historical revue, if I can put it like this. For example, when considering the 300-400 years of English subjegation and exploitation of India any thinking man will have to think through the implications of this sort of imperialism, and especially when it is carried on into the modern era where capitalist and exploitive systems came under scrutiny. You seem AWM to resort of easy formulas in what you imagine to be the way that white guilt will be cast off, like a dirty shirt, and then replaced by a new one, harder, leaner and 'meaner' as you put it.

You also fail to take into consideration one of the primary engines of white guilt in the postwar era: the destructiveness of the second WW and, of course, the 'destruction of the European Jews'. It is likely that you do not have much of a sense of the soul-searching and the profound sense of guilt as Europe lay demolished. As I said, no one but the Europeans did this to the Europeans. It was an event that arose out of their own psyche. And that had to then, and it still has to now, to be dealt with. You cannot just gloss that over. Yet people like you, who deal in simplistic narratives and seem immune to deeper introspection, do not seem interested in the deeper analysis. But the only way forward is through.

To live in a multi-cultural society, that is, to live in America as it came to be defined, is to live in a world in which Ms Elliott and activists like her, must impose their ethics through a hard-core shaming process; a cathartic, social process in which the former dominant White is shown what his new place in the order will be. It follows from democratic principles of course. It is in fact an ethical procedure. I mean ethical insofar as it expresses a group ethic. And to resist it requires the definition of another, alternate ethics.

What I can say with a certain amount of certainty is that there is no place in Europe, nor in any European outpost, where there is any sort of viable 'movement' at a cultural level that can be said to be organic. There are fringe activists, and a rising tide of anger, frustration, awareness of encroaching powerlessness (or reductions in power), but there is no viable *nationalist* movement. And it will be extremely difficult to construct one.
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I have a feeling, Dan, that you think AWM is that fellow who used to post in Worldy Affairs and used the term 'jewtool'. I think he has a name that was a number ...
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Santiago Odo wrote:White guilt is a result of religious, and also Christian, introspection.
Right. I intend to do everything I can to stop this suicidal Christian based impulse before the white race goes full Jesus Christ and allows itself to be nailed to the cross and sacrifice itself to the dirt world hordes who will never appreciate what we have done for them. Scattering our genetic code to the brown winds to be swept away and forgotten, as it were.

I think it would do many whites well to return to their pagan roots. Christianity is a desert, Semitic religion, foreign to the well forested continent of Europa and its people. Atheists, agnostics, and non practicing Christians probably make up the majority of whites by now, and even the practicing Christians incorporated many pagan rituals post conversion. One could argue that Christianity never full caught on with Europeans. So while the secularization of European man is causing immense damage to our race right now, if we can make it through this transition, I think we can come out stronger on the other side.
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I agree with Diebert that this 'new' discussion belongs in its own thread.
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Russell Parr wrote:Like it or not, POC are an integral part of American society, and have contributed a great deal to the advancement of civilization. This nation, just like the world, belongs to all of its inhabitants; not just the ruling class.
America would be FAR better off had we never brought African slaves over. Another thing that would have helped is if our ancestors wiped out all the aboriginals across the ENTIRE continent of North America including Mexico and Central America. This way there would be less confusion about who our forefathers intended to have this continent passed down to.
Russell Parr wrote:The solution to all of this is for everyone to treat everyone else as if they are capable of virtuous behaviour. Believing and behaving otherwise does indeed keep others down. This does not mean ignore the shortcomings of others, but to help them address their flaws in a progressive, instead of derogatory, manner. This goes for every race.
I agree with this to an extent, but this can easily become a suicidal indulgence. At some point it's better to cut one's losses and move on to something more promising.
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Dan Rowden wrote:I agree with Diebert that this 'new' discussion belongs in its own thread.
Actually, scratch that. Giving this person a larger platform to promote genocide won't be happening.
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"Russell is Black"

He said half black - but in a black family setting. I'm not sure what the other half is.

I only mention this as I've always been curious as to whether it was the understated white part of Obama that was really the factor in him being very politically capable - did it enable him to be very good with the technicalities of political argument and enable him to keep his emotions in check.

That said I am very uncertain about “genetic white supremacy” as opposed to cultural supremacy. I’ve just not seen an apples versus apples comparison. As the past is always intrinsic in determining the present, the effects of coming from a materially poor culture last a very long time, not decades but centuries.

On the cultural side I’ve sensed a dumbing down of the population as a direct result of excessive immigration from developing countries, and a further dumbing down due to women gaining power. The lowest common denominator keeps dropping. Much of this is subtle and hidden from being noticed other than in henid form as there are stronger technological and political factors, and also affluence itself, causing the same effect.

27% born overseas is a travesty for Australia (although that contains Anglos and NZers). Countries can’t handle much more than about 10% from developing countries – they create too much drag on cultural evolution (and enable the excesses neo-con predators desire). Instead of a speedboat on the open ocean, with a few different people showing us new tricks and livening things up a bit, we have a million water skiers tied to the boat and the boat engine is chocking and sputtering.

There is just no intelligence in our collective actions – and I think we’d be a lot less stupid had we not been so culturally divided. But perhaps that is mere wishful thinking – maybe white apathy and complacency stems from our very success to date.
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Dan Rowden wrote:
Dan Rowden wrote:I agree with Diebert that this 'new' discussion belongs in its own thread.
Actually, scratch that. Giving this person a larger platform to promote genocide won't be happening.
More worrying than genocidal fantasies were here the mentioning of "aboriginals" as somehow being indigenous to the Americas.

And I think it still can be debated if a culture could indeed be better off, when it finds itself to be superior in every way, to simply eradicate the subjected one to such a degree that it will be completely assimilated by the general lack of choice. But it would need a really strong conviction of the self-completeness and superiority of ones own group. And it's the science of genetics, often barely understood by those invoking it everywhere, which shows it's a process which is never completed or superior in any really meaningful way.
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Diebert van Rhijn wrote:More worrying than genocidal fantasies were here the mentioning of "aboriginals" as somehow being indigenous to the Americas.
I have no 'genocidal fantasies'. I'm just not a pantie waste leftist who's too afraid to make politically incorrect statements about how a race of men ought to go about conquering a continent. Genocide took place; I just think my ancestors should have been more thorough about it.

You've never heard 'Native Americans' referred to as aboriginals? I use the term to refer to any natives. I don't like the term 'Native American' because it implies that this continent was America before we got here when in fact wemade it America.
Diebert van Rhijn wrote:And I think it still can be debated if a culture could indeed be better off, when it finds itself to be superior in every way, to simply eradicate the subjected one to such a degree that it will be completely assimilated by the general lack of choice. But it would need a really strong conviction of the self-completeness and superiority of ones own group.


Yes. To go about conquering properly, the conquering race needs to have an unshakable confidence in themselves. We used to have that confidence, but WWII has left us hobbled and open to exploitation.
Diebert van Rhijn wrote:And it's the science of genetics, often barely understood by those invoking it everywhere, which shows it's a process which is never completed or superior in any really meaningful way.
Of course one's genetics can be superior in a meaningful way. Genes are not expressed in a vacuum.
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jimhaz wrote:He (Russell) said half black - but in a black family setting. I'm not sure what the other half is.
As with most black/white mixed people, they often forsake their white side and embrace their black identity, to their own detriment in my opinion.

But when our culture is constantly painting whites as nothing more than evil exploiters, and blacks as benevolent and worthy of special treatment due to their anointed victim status, I suppose one can see why they would forsake their whiteness.

As for Russell, when I saw it mentioned that he was black, I knew he had to be mixed, not 100% African. Imagining a full blooded African posting on a forum like this makes me laugh.
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Santiago Odo wrote:A couple of details that will surely be useful to you AWM: Russsell is Black; obviously you know that Jupi is from India; and I was raised in a Jewish non-practicing family (which veered away into Eastern religions).
I think everyone could tell you were Jewish by your writing style. It's not very goyish.
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Here is another good channel on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEr04Ft ... =7&list=WL
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Red Ice put this together. Spot on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pINtLST ... 13&list=WL
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