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jupiviv wrote:Try to become wise first and save the theories about the characteristics of a wise society for later. The only homogeneous aspect of a wise society would be wisdom. Why should the other aspects of such a society necessarily be homogeneous? There is no reason why disagreement, individuality or even factionalism wouldn't exist. In fact, they might even be necessary depending on how the society intends to survive and expand.
I chuckle thinking about how a bunch of good for nothing autists such as yourself would go about surviving and expanding. Soft people like you are a product of how easy life has become in modern Western Civilization. Your people wouldn't last a day if a strong tribe of men wanted your land if you didn't die out first for failing to reproduce.
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awiseman wrote:
jupiviv wrote:Try to become wise first and save the theories about the characteristics of a wise society for later. The only homogeneous aspect of a wise society would be wisdom. Why should the other aspects of such a society necessarily be homogeneous? There is no reason why disagreement, individuality or even factionalism wouldn't exist. In fact, they might even be necessary depending on how the society intends to survive and expand.
I chuckle thinking about how a bunch of good for nothing autists such as yourself would go about surviving and expanding. Soft people like you are a product of how easy life has become in modern Western Civilization. Your people wouldn't last a day if a strong tribe of men wanted your land if you didn't die out first for failing to reproduce.
Try to at least have an argument. Save this crap for Stefan Molyneux's youtube comment section.
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awiseman wrote:
jupiviv wrote:Try to become wise first and save the theories about the characteristics of a wise society for later. The only homogeneous aspect of a wise society would be wisdom. Why should the other aspects of such a society necessarily be homogeneous? There is no reason why disagreement, individuality or even factionalism wouldn't exist. In fact, they might even be necessary depending on how the society intends to survive and expand.
I chuckle thinking about how a bunch of good for nothing autists such as yourself would go about surviving and expanding.
I'm curious, how did you come upon this forum and this thread?
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Russell Parr wrote:Try to at least have an argument. Save this crap for Stefan Molyneux's youtube comment section.
Molyneux is okay. I can only listen to him for so long. To your point though, my apologies for pointing out the ridiculousness of jupiviv's autistic naval gazing. How silly of me to not take his declarations about how wise he is as serious arguments, or see his suggestion to blow up a mosque as an enlightened thought experiment.

Before you ban me though, I'd just like you to know that I do value Truth, but I also recognize that any manifestation of consciousness that values Truth will come exclusively from European men and certain populations of East Asian men. So with that I'll just say, Keep The West White!
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Dan Rowden wrote:I'm curious, how did you come upon this forum and this thread?
The nature of the sexes is something that I'm very interested in, and Kevin's and David's material on this subject is very good. The observations on the nature of reality seem to be in line with some of my own as well. From there I found the forum, but I never felt compelled to post until I saw this thread.

Are you in agreement with Kevin and David on the nature of women? You referred to me as a white male supremacist or something along those lines; so does that mean you think men and women are equal (whiteness not withstanding)?
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I don't think I'm interested in engaging you further without knowing your identity. Since you're a man of your convictions, one of superior intellect and courage, I'm sure you won't have any issue with revealing that. It would be disappointing if you turn out to be a snowflake.
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Dan Rowden wrote:I don't think I'm interested in engaging you further without knowing your identity. Since you're a man of your convictions, one of superior intellect and courage, I'm sure you won't have any issue with revealing that. It would be disappointing if you turn out to be a snowflake.
I've called you on your bullshit, so this is your way out.

Anonymity is too valuable to me in this politically correct climate of fempowerment and anti-whiteness. If you find that freely expressing your thoughts pose no threat to your freedom or income, you should ask yourself whose side you're really on.

PS

You wouldn't demand I reveal my identity if I were a woman.
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AWM, I am wondering if you understand why it is said that you 'have no argument'? As I have said, there are elements of truth in what you bring forward but without some level of argument and engagement the level of your discourse is pretty low.

A note about 'white supremacy': There surely are white supremacists, and naturally their discourse is bound up with a history of Occidental anthropology. But many white identitarians or Eurocentrics can and do dispense with the 'supremacy' anthropology since they recognize, if IQ is a measure, that Asians per capita have a higher index on average. So, and as it happens, some white nationalists have a race-realistic position but do not necessarily see themselves on the top of the heap. What they do want though, or what they would like to have in the best of all possible worlds, is a nation and polity (and neighborhood) that they control and dominate. So, and obviously, their political positions are various, but they tend to want to lash out at everything and anyone that is working against their sovereign national identity project.

In those nations where there is significant blending and competing demographics, this is terribly problematic. It is less problematic in nations that are still mostly white. There, the object is to keep the demographics protected and to reverse any other 'liberal' will (Sweden is a good example).

In the US, obviously, the race issue is now tending to a new and different phase. When once it was a 90% white nation, as a result of legislation in the 60's and now fifty years into it Whites are something like 67% of the general population and shrinking. How did this come about? Why? These are the primary questions. Now, the 'Brown nation' is showing its force and this will naturally continue. The nation's identity will have to be remade to accommodate that browning. Taking down the old statues is just a superficial aspect of the change.

But when one imagines how this could be changed, and then if it could be changed, it all gets terribly difficult and quickly. If one begins to talk about separation and separate nations, one begins to talk about secession, and there is no such thing as a peaceful secession. Additionally, many Whites have more or less come to accept the multicultural model. I know a number of them. They raise their kids within it and their kids will, of course, come to see it as natural and normal (and anything else as abnormal).

The project of establishing a foundation in 'white identity' that people could actually get behind with their full being and their moral assent, is problematic and difficult indeed. What exactly would be established as the platform? What would be its tenets? How could it be communicated, taught? Those questions show the tremendous blocks.

According to Guillaume Faye and his archeo-futurist model, it will take a social and civilizational crisis to provide the grounds on which a new organisation takes place. His model is pessimistic in the extreme. The economy has to crash, the global scheme has to begin to fall apart, and after much suffering and trouble a new order will arise.

In my own view the dissolution of Europe, and the lack of the possibility of establishing a coherent identity among Europeans, has more to do with the destruction of the religious traditions than people want to see and admit. Religion, for example Christianity and Catholicism, has contributed to the globalist and multi-cultural model, yet there are developing white identity Christian movements which manage to pull it off without ethical internal dysfunction. I am less certain about what is happening in Catholicism. Judaism, as the Alt-Righers often say, is identitarian and racialist and it is built-in as it were. They seek to emulate that and yet avoid a long look at the implications.

Here, this goes out to Dan. And this to David. A post Palm Sunday gift. And here is a version for Kevin. (And George Burdi who wrote Ode to a Dying People has gotten completely out of the white identity movement altogether).
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awiseman wrote:
Russell Parr wrote:Try to at least have an argument. Save this crap for Stefan Molyneux's youtube comment section.
Molyneux is okay. I can only listen to him for so long. To your point though, my apologies for pointing out the ridiculousness of jupiviv's autistic naval gazing. How silly of me to not take his declarations about how wise he is as serious arguments, or see his suggestion to blow up a mosque as an enlightened thought experiment.
None of that excuses you, a supposedly wise man, to resort to such childish personal attacks completely void of an argument.
Before you ban me though, I'd just like you to know that I do value Truth, but I also recognize that any manifestation of consciousness that values Truth will come exclusively from European men and certain populations of East Asian men. So with that I'll just say, Keep The West White!
Consciousness that values truth is indeed a manifestation of masculinity. But obviously, masculinity is not exclusive to any race. Now, you could argue that whites and asians have a better sense of urgency and are more incentivized to pursue truth to a higher degree, and I would agree (edit: whites and asians of old. I don't think this can be said for modern people of any race, in general). But this does not speak for the capability of other races in valuing and adhering to Truth.

You see, you aren't speaking from a place of wisdom at all, but from fear. Fear of genetic annihilation. This is the great sin of the white man. Now, this ugliness wouldn't rear its head so bad if there weren't many problems with society today, but there are. From a financial standpoint, the West is in enormous trouble. Most people are trying to ignore the root cause of this (namely, the predatory debt-slave banking system, or plain greed, if we're talking psychology), including the media, but everyone can tell there is a big problem at least on a subconscious level. As such, this panic is manifesting in indirect ways, such as in the way you have been demonstrating.
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Re: Statement about Solway and Trump

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awiseman wrote:autistic naval gazing.
That's what the brave fire control algorithms aboard the Vinson strike group are doing right now.
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Russell Parr wrote:None of that excuses you, a supposedly wise man, to resort to such childish personal attacks completely void of an argument.
Personal attacks? Don't you think you're overreacting? I must have struck a nerve. Instead of scolding me like some kind of smarmy school teacher maybe you should do some reflection.
Russell Parr wrote:Now, you could argue that whites and asians have a better sense of urgency and are more incentivized to pursue truth to a higher degree, and I would agree.
More incentive to pursue truth? This begs two questions, who constructed these incentives and why aren't blacks and browns intrigued by the same incentives as whites. The answer is genetic!
Russell Parr wrote:You see, you aren't speaking from a place of wisdom at all, but from fear. Fear of genetic annihilation. This is the great sin of the white man. Now, this ugliness wouldn't rear its head so bad if there weren't many problems with society today, but there are. From a financial standpoint, the West is in enormous trouble. Most people are trying to ignore the root cause of this (namely, the predatory debt-slave banking system), including the media, but everyone can tell at least on a subconscious level. As such, this panic is manifesting in indirect ways, such as in the way you have been demonstrating.
Of course I fear the genetic annihilation of my race (white genocide). Only an atomized fool, brainwashed by Jewish media and Government re-education wouldn't fear such a thing. And you're not even seeing the other side which is my hope for a better future only the white race is capable of delivering. Some of this, as I described, is because modernity has weakened us spiritually, mentally, and physically. But some of it is because more sinister forces (Jews and their globalist cohorts) are at work trying to dispossess us of not just our land and wealth, but our very essence, our bio-genetic code itself.
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Russell wrote:Consciousness that values truth is indeed a manifestation of masculinity. But obviously, masculinity is not exclusive to any race. Now, you could argue that whites and asians have a better sense of urgency and are more incentivized to pursue truth to a higher degree, and I would agree. But this does not speak for the capability of other races in valuing and adhering to Truth.

You see, you aren't speaking from a place of wisdom at all, but from fear. Fear of genetic annihilation. This is the great sin of the white man. Now, this ugliness wouldn't rear its head so bad if there weren't many problems with society today, but there are. From a financial standpoint, the West is in enormous trouble. Most people are trying to ignore the root cause of this (namely, the predatory debt-slave banking system, or plain greed, if we're talking psychology), including the media, but everyone can tell there is a big problem at least on a subconscious level. As such, this panic is manifesting in indirect ways, such as in the way you have been demonstrating.
Masculinity is not exclusive to a race, but this is a Forum which occurs within a Western context, in English, and is linked whether it likes it or not (or understands its link) to the Occident and to Occidental ideation. Period.

Therefor, the question of Occidental masculinity is a very good one, and it is an aspect of masculinity, in my view, to be guardian and protector. So, the issue is What is to be protected? How? What is to be protected and why?

The wise ones who founded this forum, they themselves, are very uncertain and timorous about what this means.

The whole nebulous 'Truth' reference is a reference to an abstraction. You seem to guess about what it is and what wisdom is as well, and now you have less support from 'the forum' given the ridiculous postures of some of its founders. There are truths, and there are applications of truth to people and places and times. If Truth is to be talked about, it has to be defined. You have never done this, nor has Jupi.

AWM may or may not be speaking from a position of 'fear'. He may be speaking just as well from an embryonic ideological position and one that is more angry than fearful. In fact I would suggest that you, Russell, are fearful of what the implications of white identity are in American for you. You have a justified fear.

The conversation does not begin nor does it end with AWM. His concerns are valid, or can be articulated in valid and coherent terms. That he relies on tropes and pre-fabricated talking-points does not change that.

I would argue, because I think it can be articulately argued, that to pay attention to one's genetic and physical self is essential, and that people do not do this a great omission and an error. But I extend this to all people, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Middle Eastern and what-have-you.

Therefor, and in that context, a white identity movement is perfectly sane and perfectly defensible. It involves a thorough reworking of one's entire relationship to self, to locale, to traditions, to mind: everything.
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Santiago Odo wrote:Masculinity is not exclusive to a race, but this is a Forum which occurs within a Western context, in English, and is linked whether it likes it or not (or understands its link) to the Occident and to Occidental ideation. Period.
This is an important point here. Not just with regard to this forum's resistance to the idea that race matters, but The West's resistance to it as well. Western man believes in whiteness so much that he sees it as a benevolent universal condition that all people have a right to. Western man fails to see how the benevolence of whiteness is a direct product of something grounded deeply into our Earthly existence; the blood and guts of our genetic profile. In the movie Full Metal Jacket there was a line about how "inside every gook there's an American trying to get out". This exaggerated belief in whiteness is the driving force behind The West's crusade to bring democracy to the dirt world. Or at least that's how the Jews sell it to us because they know we wouldn't go along with it if they told us it was about making more shekels for the Goldsteins and Silverbergs of the world. The arrogance of Western man is that he believes if you give a non-white a bible and a constitution they'll be just like him.
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Santiago Odo wrote:Masculinity is not exclusive to a race, but this is a Forum which occurs within a Western context, in English, and is linked whether it likes it or not (or understands its link) to the Occident and to Occidental ideation. Period.
This is just one isolated view. The forum discourse itself involves quite regularly interpretations of some little Middle Eastern and quite some Chinese and Indian output which could be interpreted purely "occidental" or even accidental, or perhaps not.
The wise ones who founded this forum, they themselves, are very uncertain and timorous about what this means.
The practical implications of any idea put in motion will remain uncertain and ambiguous, especially when seen, analyzed and picked over in hindsight, it becomes all rather complicated. That's why. To understand why, is wisdom.
If Truth is to be talked about, it has to be defined.
There's no difference between talking about and defining, establishing or demonstrating it. That's wisdom.
The conversation does not begin nor does it end with AWM. His concerns are valid, or can be articulated in valid and coherent terms. That he relies on tropes and pre-fabricated talking-points does not change that.
He doesn't need any defending or spokesmen. One might just as well be concerned with robots replacing humans. Or the internet reducing the brain's capacity to deal with knowledge. There are always statistics and examples of this or that actually happening to some extent. The real issue is about truth value: wisdom as having its own category and goal. What if some credible social theory would be devised arguing for the idea that wisdom could only prosper in really dark, stupid, mentally diseased surroundings? That it works as rarity, as contrast? That it only develops amongst danger, on the brink of extinctions?

Before getting worried about race, about health, about continuation or even spreading the word, one has to first understand the circumstances of wisdom, of genius arriving in the first place. And that hasn't even been established yet! We all just gamble on "perhaps this" and "likely that". In that context, any theory on which culture, race or society should be supported to strive for, becomes way more problematic to entertain as it always will show to lean on various ideological assumptions already.
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awiseman wrote:Personal attacks? Don't you think you're overreacting? I must have struck a nerve. Instead of scolding me like some kind of smarmy school teacher maybe you should do some reflection.
I would call attacking someone's character based on genetics alone to be personal. Plus you go on to admit your fear of "white genocide." Very personal indeed.
More incentive to pursue truth? This begs two questions, who constructed these incentives and why aren't blacks and browns intrigued by the same incentives as whites. The answer is genetic!
Duh. I am clearly talking about evolutionary behavioural traits. You ignored, or just plain didn't understand the point I was making (to which I added a relevant edit, saying that whites and asians have only historically pursued enlightenment to any significant degree or scale. Such days are long gone). You're not representing your cause very well.
And you're not even seeing the other side which is my hope for a better future only the white race is capable of delivering.
This is incredibly laughable. Why not the Asians? They provided the first and greatest discourse for enlightenment, and rank the highest in the world in IQ, if that's important to you.

Besides, you will never stop your white brothers from commingling with other races. You might as well accept it. Most people will be slightly tanned, slightly slant-eyed, slightly coarse haired before long.
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Santiago Odo wrote:AWM may or may not be speaking from a position of 'fear'. He may be speaking just as well from an embryonic ideological position and one that is more angry than fearful. In fact I would suggest that you, Russell, are fearful of what the implications of white identity are in American for you. You have a justified fear.
I'm going to need you to articulate more precisely the nature of this fear you projecting on me before I can address this.
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Russell Parr wrote:This is incredibly laughable. Why not the Asians? They provided the first and greatest discourse for enlightenment, and rank the highest in the world in IQ, if that's important to you.
What's laughable is that you blindly believe that Asians ever had a monopoly on Truth seeking.

East Asians have a higher IQ on average than Europeans, but they don't have as many geniuses (and idiots) because there are less people at the extreme high and low ends of their IQ bell curve. They're more tightly packed at the mean IQ.

Besides, IQ is only part of the package. Creativity and the Faustian Spirit are something European men posses to a far greater degree than any other race.
Russell Parr wrote:Besides, you will never stop your white brothers from commingling with other races. You might as well accept it. Most people will be slightly tanned, slightly slant-eyed, slightly coarse haired before long.
You seem only too excited for the extinction of whites.

Have you ever considered what percentage of this forum's active users are white men? 98%? 99%? 100% minus jupiviv?
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awiseman wrote:What's laughable is that you blindly believe that Asians ever had a monopoly on Truth seeking.
You've lost track of what's going on. The main proponent of any race having a monopoly on anything is you.
Creativity and the Faustian Spirit are something European men posses to a far greater degree than any other race.
dictionary.com wrote:Faustian -

Sacrificing spiritual values for power, knowledge, or material gain.
Whoops, you just exposed yourself.
You seem only too excited for the extinction of whites.

Have you ever considered what percentage of this forum's active users are white men? 98%? 99%? 100% minus jupiviv?
Not at all, just pointing out some facts that you are mortified by.

I wonder if you've ever had an ancestry DNA test done? Do you know how pure your roots are?
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Alex wrote:Masculinity is not exclusive to a race, but this is a Forum which occurs within a Western context, in English, and is linked whether it likes it or not (or understands its link) to the Occident and to Occidental ideation. Period.
To my knowledge, only 7 white philosophers are respected by QRS, i.e., Socrates, Diogenes, Master Eckhart, Kierkegaard, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche and Weininger. One of them (Weininger) was half-jewish, and it is doubtful whether Greeks can be neatly categorised as "white". Only two of them - Nietzsche and Weininger - have explicitly written about the concepts of race and culture and their relationship to truth and morality. And of those two, none arrived at conclusions even remotely resembling anything you have postulated (AFAIK) about those subjects.

For the Genius philosophy to conform to a "Western context", it would at the very least have to acknowledge a stream of consciousness running like a spine through the entire Canon, with the aforementioned philosophers representing the brightest vertices of cultural/philosophical activity and achievement. In fact, none of those philosophers are viewed as such, or were ever viewed as such, by the philosophical community at large.

As for QRS, they judge those men to be wise precisely because they *rejected* tradition, consensus, the establishment and all other false notions of authority, value and truth. Moreover, both those men and QRS judge the majority of other Western philosophers (as applicable to their eras) to be second rate and insipid.

Also, shouldn't a respect for Occidental ideation extend to Western classical music and drama? There is no evidence the founders or the philosophers they respect consider those things to be very wise activities. Personally, I allow a bit of genius to great composers (but not performers). You, on the other hand, don't seem to care much about Western classical music at all. Yet the Grosse Fuge, the Matthaeus-Passion and the Missa Papae Marcelli are considered by many champions of Western culture to be even greater pinnacles of it than the works of the great dramatists, poets and philosophers. According to your logic, since I understand Western and Indian classical music than you, I am more intimately connected to both Western and Indian culture than you are, whether I like it or not.
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Russell Parr wrote:You've lost track of what's going on. The main proponent of any race having a monopoly on anything is you.
Every race has a monopoly on something. Blacks have a monopoly on ghetto life, Arabs have a monopoly on inbreeding, Indians have a monopoly on public defecation, and Mestizos have monopoly on drug cartels. Such diversity!

Russell Parr wrote:
dictionary.com wrote:Faustian -

Sacrificing spiritual values for power, knowledge, or material gain.
Whoops, you just exposed yourself.
Conveniently you left out this definition: possessed with a hunger for knowledge or mastery.

In any case, yes I look after myself first and foremost. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar, and you'd be a fool to believe them.
Russell Parr wrote:Not at all, just pointing out some facts that you are mortified by.
It's weird to your'e trying to mortify me. Fear isn't playing as large of a role as you think it is. To be honest, I'm more saddened by apathetic attitudes like yours and pissed off at the people pushing for white genocide.
Russell Parr wrote:I wonder if you've ever had an ancestry DNA test done? Do you know how pure your roots are?
Yes I have. I'm 100% European. Around 80% Northwest European, 15% Southern European, and 5% Eastern European.

You really should take into consideration the fact that Genius Forum is almost exclusively a white male club. If your values are in line with the stated values of this forum, and this forum attracts only white men; what do you think the implications of that are?
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awiseman wrote:Every race has a monopoly on something. Blacks have a monopoly on ghetto life, Arabs have a monopoly on inbreeding, Indians have a monopoly on public defecation, and Mestizos have monopoly on drug cartels. Such diversity!
And whites have a monopoly on fantasising about living in some halcyon period of the past with model housewife-cum-mammy figure and 3 kids. Your type has always existed on the internet, but the sad part is that you have chosen this of all forums to peddle your bs.
Yes I have. I'm 100% European. Around 80% Northwest European, 15% Southern European, and 5% Eastern European.
I'm guessing NW European = Irish, which means 80% of your ancestors were poor, stupid and lazy drunks with small dicks. And I'm also guessing you heard (and likely still hear) your mammy talk about "Alabama black snake" many times in various, yet related, contexts.
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AWM wrote:This is an important point here. Not just with regard to this forum's resistance to the idea that race matters, but The West's resistance to it as well. Western man believes in whiteness so much that he sees it as a benevolent universal condition that all people have a right to. Western man fails to see how the benevolence of whiteness is a direct product of something grounded deeply into our Earthly existence; the blood and guts of our genetic profile. In the movie Full Metal Jacket there was a line about how "inside every gook there's an American trying to get out". This exaggerated belief in whiteness is the driving force behind The West's crusade to bring democracy to the dirt world. Or at least that's how the Jews sell it to us because they know we wouldn't go along with it if they told us it was about making more shekels for the Goldsteins and Silverbergs of the world. The arrogance of Western man is that he believes if you give a non-white a bible and a constitution they'll be just like him.
My understanding is that the supremicist anthropology is directly related to and linked with the Christian ideology. And each of these have their origin in pre-modern metaphysics. I am not making this up ;-) Here is how it functions in a nutshell: the Cosmos is divided into different realms and layers with God and Logos and Christ at the apex. Descending layers are composed of non-physical entities (angels or 'intelligences'), and then on down to the earth-realm. Further down in the earth-realm is the hell-realm. Earth --- our world --- was seen as being located more or less towards the bottom. The Earth was seen as a dangerous place, mostly haunted by demonic forces, and extremely perishable and death-ridden. This happened through the effects of the metaphysical Fall. The Fall corrupted not only man but his little perch in the Cosmos.

The revelation of Christ, the divine voyage of Christ, represented the apex reaching down into the dregs. This is certainly illustrated by Kierkegaard in his declaration about the Savior in his downward swoop drawing beings up and away with him. That is a somewhat later varient of it. The Medieval view was somewhat more crude. But this downward descent of the divine, as it pertains to Occidental anthropology is, in my view, crucial to understand. To understand it, one has to place onself inside it and see out of those Medieval eyes.

What made a Western man what he is, is his link with the Universal Church and his access to the Sacraments. The core of it is there and in no other place. He had something that no other people had: access to the salvific agent and the knowledge of it. Wherever he went he saw strange and dark rituals, and people of course, who gave no hint of access to the salvific agent. So, they were seen as agents of the diabolical powers. They had, in this state of things, a limited personhood. Personhood was more or less given to them to the direct degree that they were civilized. And baptism (no empty event) was the first step. In this way they became members of the Body of Christ. Outside of that body, death and damnation. As part of it, salvation and progress.

These ideas, in different forms, still operate nearly at 100% in our modern era. They are part-and-parcel of an established worldview which, as I suggest, is built on metaphysical foundations. Still, the Occidental man brings to the larger world surrounding him the very possibiility of progress, and the tools of progress, and the ideas that make progress possible. This is the Occidental contribution, if you will, and the revolutionary spirit of the Occident which is intimately related to the inner transformation, with all metaphysical implications, offered by essential Christianity (Christianity in its essences).

In my view, Occidental man must become conscious of his own metaphysical underpinnings, and this absolutely means to fathom and comprehend the Christian metaphysic as a model of perception and understanding of *the World*. Without it, one cannot understand, with it a Key is offered.

If there is going to be an Identity Renaissance, it will have to have a metaphysical basis. Well, that is where I presently think and what I presently understand. If Occidental man is to see himself, he has to understand himself. That is circular of course but I mean it in the sense of 'grasping causation'. What made us us.

I suggest that D D and K have very little understanding or appreciation of any part of this, and this is one of the reasons why, in my opinion, David has veered so very very far from the coherent. Obviously, I am interested in pushing all these definitions to their logical end-position, and thus I say that without these hard and sharp definitions D D and K wind up in 'femaleness'. I mean this in the Weiningerian sense and, I hope, in a true sense.

[Now, it is a tough subject, there is no doubt of that, but intelligent and prepared people, who see clearly and who can resist their biases, can make detailed statements about the Jewish presence in the Occident. There is no way to understand Europe, or modernity, without taking Jewish history (and Jewish emancipation) into account. IN my view, the best analysis that I have read is that of Hilaire Belloc ('The Jews'). Strange that he is taken as an 'antisemite' when, as I see it, he operates from a centirst position. Be that as it may. I actually think along the lines of Weininger myself: It is necessary for any Jew to convert. It is the only real step available to him or her. Judaism has to be abandoned and as long as it is not abandoned, and as long as the Tribe remains the Tribe (and remember that I grew up in it, but was not ever Bar Mitzva'd), and the Tribe remains an active agent within the Occident, its purposes are distinct and oppositional to that of the Occident. That particular conversation, the one that I broach here I hope intelligently, is a fantastically difficult one for all the obvious reasons.]
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Santiago Odo wrote:My understanding is that the supremicist anthropology is directly related to and linked with the Christian ideology. And each of these have their origin in pre-modern metaphysics. I am not making this up ;-) Here is how it functions in a nutshell: the Cosmos is divided into different realms and layers with God and Logos and Christ at the apex. Descending layers are composed of non-physical entities (angels or 'intelligences'), and then on down to the earth-realm. Further down in the earth-realm is the hell-realm. Earth --- our world --- was seen as being located more or less towards the bottom. The Earth was seen as a dangerous place, mostly haunted by demonic forces, and extremely perishable and death-ridden. This happened through the effects of the metaphysical Fall. The Fall corrupted not only man but his little perch in the Cosmos.
I smile every time I see a white liberal spreading the good word of Christianity, oops I mean Socialism, to POC; only to see the POC smack down the white liberal for not checking their white privilege and not doing enough to uplift POC.
Santiago Odo wrote:[Now, it is a tough subject, there is no doubt of that, but intelligent and prepared people, who see clearly and who can resist their biases, can make detailed statements about the Jewish presence in the Occident. There is no way to understand Europe, or modernity, without taking Jewish history (and Jewish emancipation) into account. IN my view, the best analysis that I have read is that of Hilaire Belloc ('The Jews'). Strange that he is taken as an 'antisemite' when, as I see it, he operates from a centirst position. Be that as it may. I actually think along the lines of Weininger myself: It is necessary for any Jew to convert. It is the only real step available to him or her. Judaism has to be abandoned and as long as it is not abandoned, and as long as the Tribe remains the Tribe (and remember that I grew up in it, but was not ever Bar Mitzva'd), and the Tribe remains an active agent within the Occident, its purposes are distinct and oppositional to that of the Occident. That particular conversation, the one that I broach here I hope intelligently, is a fantastically difficult one for all the obvious reasons.]
I like Dr. William Luther Pierce's mantra "The Jews are our misfortune".
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jupiviv wrote:I'm guessing NW European = Irish, which means 80% of your ancestors were poor, stupid and lazy drunks with small dicks.
French, German, Swedish, and yes, Irish. Probably some English too. Thank God I have that fighting Irish spirit in me though, otherwise I might be holding up a sign somewhere that says 'Refugees Welcome'.

I read somewhere that Indians have the smallest dicks of any race on average.
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awiseman wrote:French, German, Swedish, and yes, Irish. Probably some English too. Thank God I have that fighting Irish spirit in me though, otherwise I might be holding up a sign somewhere that says 'Refugees Welcome'.
Lol...what a homo. But please, enlighten me about all the other token virtues you have inherited from your diverse ancestors.
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