White men, European genetics, masculinity and genius

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Re: White men, European genetics, masculinity and genius

Postby Diebert van Rhijn » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:28 pm

Dan Rowden wrote:Note to self:

Diversity+Proximity=War
Tribalism+Proximity=War

"War is the health of the State", said Randolph Bourne who I believe understood the topic rather well.

The modern state is not served by any tribal sentiment beyond some light, unreal form of nationalism as that would counter the primal goals of a state in terms of being an actor on a global stage. This leads to the natural and logical friction between various forms of tribalism and nationalism versus expanding federalism and globalism.

While it's tempting to support the birth of the supra-state, which would need multiculturalism, mixing of identities and diversity as its life blood, it's important to understand the levels of control and violence connected with those kind of super-structures. Once that principle is understood, a world order based on mutually assured destruction and local prolonged regime change missions with all the increasing, raw violence erupting at the urban level around the world can also become way better understood.

All the above would need a lot more fleshing out of course. But I think this line of reasoning is unavoidable. And assuming one arrives at the conclusion in a similar way, there's simply no reasonable future conceivable without going beyond the concepts of states and supra-states. The identity wars between tribal and global ideologies is something that is sentimentally very much invested in by so many, also because any nationalist sentiment would flip as easily between tribe and globalist state without actual reason to do so, that real change here cannot be envisioned before the blinders would come off first.

As for any post-state situation, a lot could be written and thought about. There are, I believe, a few possibilities.
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Re: White men, European genetics, masculinity and genius

Postby Tenver- » Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:21 pm

Please do not consider your superiority a function of the color of your skin or your own deeds in this world.

The rich and etablished needs to stay together to keep the mass of poor people on the other side, so they can take advantage of them and stay rich. This is how nature works.

Who will over time be eliminated from society and who will grow in society, depends on the degree of social relevance you have in your society. Not on skin color, not on what traces of "race" you have in you.

The individual matters nothing in world, neither does a single generation.

Based on this, it is clear that Europe as well as other rich places in the world needs to quarantine the poor so as not to allow the social structure within their society to be disrupted while allowing the picking of useful people.

Over time, the skin color will likely be mixed. Again, to consider it merely a matter of "race" seems an ancient proposal.

The strong can only stay strong by having a weak "force" to make pawns of. Therefore, if one eliminates the poor from the world, one does in the same swoop eliminate the rich. Therefore, it is not in the interest of the rich to eliminate the poor - only to keep the poor as they are, poor and hungry (and thus willing to work). This does not matter if their skin or "race" is one or the other.

So in sum, what matters much more than skin and race for the future of Europe (and the West, as it is referred to in the thread) is not the danger of mixing skin colors/races, but the danger of letting poor people in on a powerful, social structure, no matter whether they are people from the outside OR people from the inside. Yes, in the future there may even be a stricter internal eugenics in terms of allowing people to breed etc., deporting people because they are not deemed worthy etc. Perhaps, even a high form of "moral killing", that is eliminating the bad products of society, of the sake of the future society (the ruling class/caste). These things are not likely to be based on skin color, but some form of social value, whatever that is (what you would normally call "social class" etc.).
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Re: White men, European genetics, masculinity and genius

Postby jupiviv » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:18 pm

Ah, a new member whose first post is in *this* thread. Surely he has much wisdom to share with us...let us find out!

Tenver- wrote:The rich and etablished needs to stay together to keep the mass of poor people on the other side, so they can take advantage of them and stay rich. This is how nature works.


I see the merit in your argument. Nature does work that way because it is natural, but is nature absolute? Call me an idealist, but I think a better way lies in creating a society where both the rich and the poor exist and get involved in internal and external conflicts due to countless causes most of which have nothing to do with their relationship with each other. In fact, this seems to have been the norm throughout human history. Surely tradition has some value, even when it defies nature?

Who will over time be eliminated from society and who will grow in society, depends on the degree of social relevance you have in your society. Not on skin color, not on what traces of "race" you have in you.


Yes, and those who have social relevance within society must stay together to ensure that their social relevance does end up causing their survival.

The individual matters nothing in world, neither does a single generation.


Well put. Only the solar system matters. Constellations have *some* value, but the Milky Way can frankly go fuck itself. Those with orbital relevance should ensure that those without it are kept irrelevant but nonetheless alive, since wiping out the latter would spell doom for the former as well. Like it or not, that's how nature works.

So in sum, what matters much more than skin and race for the future of Europe (and the West, as it is referred to in the thread) is not the danger of mixing skin colors/races, but the danger of letting poor people in on a powerful, social structure, no matter whether they are people from the outside OR people from the inside. Yes, in the future there may even be a stricter internal eugenics in terms of allowing people to breed etc., deporting people because they are not deemed worthy etc. Perhaps, even a high form of "moral killing", that is eliminating the bad products of society, of the sake of the future society (the ruling class/caste). These things are not likely to be based on skin color, but some form of social value, whatever that is (what you would normally call "social class" etc.).


Discrimination based on skin colour is both immoral and stupid. It is the baddest of the bad-bad ideas still extant in western society along with sexism. I predict that in the future ruling class men who discriminate against ruling class women shall be subjected to a painless procedure of castration in public, in order to promote and encourage the social value of ruling class gender equality. I also predict that ruling class women will play a major role in suppressing revolts, due to their ability as women to convince the men of the oppressed classes (who will be the vast majority of active dissenters) that their poverty, genetic inadequacy and adherence to sexist ideas of male superiority are all inextricably linked, thus devastating their morale and resigning them to their respective fates.

I know this all might sound a little but controversial to others, but me and Tenver- can write about things like eugenics and moral killing in an equanimous style and that means that we are enlightened, which in turn means we are right.
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