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Post by MKFaizi » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:23 am

God. I heard him speak tonight. Amazing how pure horror can be that mindless.

Gets me that the Two Amigoes were just re-elected last year and they are so low in the polls. Amazing how the people flip flop. They are a snarling pair of curs now. Out for political blood. They are starting to make Nixon look pussy.

And goddamn Hunter Thompson killed himself. Chicken shit motherfucker. God, I resent the hell out of that. There is no one in the press -- even on the fringes -- with the balls to stand up to these sorry sons of bitches.

Where's the Black Panthers, for Christ's sake?

There is this big, empty political hole. Just this sagging, wrinkled, spongey enlarged prostate THING.

In lieu of balls.

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Post by propellerbeanie » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:13 am

Here is a question for all you geeeniesses. How do you trust a man with Nuclear weapons when you can't trust him with a shotgun?

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Post by Jamesh » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:56 am

And goddamn Hunter Thompson killed himself. Chicken shit motherfucker. God, I resent the hell out of that. There is no one in the press -- even on the fringes -- with the balls to stand up to these sorry sons of bitches.

Yet again, there is no 100% confirmation of that.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/hun ... _story.htm

Paul William Roberts in his Globe and Mail article of Saturday, February 26, 2005 wrote the following:

"Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think . . ."

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Post by MKFaizi » Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:34 pm

Doesn't surprise me a bit, fucking bastards. Nixon could take the Thompson heat but not the Bushies. I reckon Cheyney did it. He's the chief golfer. Coon in the hole, indeed.

What this country needs is a redneck revolution. Pure redneck thug-life. Not the shit-ass hate groups skinhead purelent grotesque monkey ear motherfuckers; God fearing homo hating rancid assholes.

No, we need real rednecks. Tired of the bullshit rednecks.

I am starting to smell a rat with the newest Cheney killing. I wonder if he will be charged with murder or attempted murder. Put him on trial with Saddam.

Redneck heaven.

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Post by sschaula » Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:43 pm

"Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think . . ."

That sounds like the worst action adventure movie ever created....by Michael Moore. There has been a lot of stupid shit on the boards lately but this takes the cake.

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Post by MKFaizi » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:54 pm

Thinking rationally, you are probably right.

Still, I would not put it past Thompson. He did some things that seemed beyond credulity but that were actual.

He was a real American.

Until the commie fucker offed himself.

Traitor.

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Cheney's got a gun

Post by avidaloca » Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:04 pm

Was it a veiled deathwish for his own countrymen when he said "the struggle can only end with their complete, and total, destruction"?

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Post by propellerbeanie » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:16 pm

[quote="MKFaizi"

What this country needs is a redneck revolution. Pure redneck thug-life. Not the shit-ass hate groups skinhead purelent grotesque monkey ear motherfuckers; God fearing homo hating rancid assholes.

No, we need real rednecks. Tired of the bullshit rednecks.



Faizi[/quote]

Here is part of the problem: People buy into the system, and think it is the best thing going, but failure is built into the system far out of proportion to success, and when people fail they do not blame the system, but themselves, and they don't turn the gun against the system, but against themselves, and sometimes against their own families.
Personally, I will give all due support to anyone tearing at the system, because the system does not work, and we can, once the ball room ball is busted, easily pick up the pieces and build something better. The government is impossible to change, and must be swept away, and I am with anyone who holds that as a goal.

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Post by Jamesh » Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:32 am

The other side of itwould have been that Thompsons remarks were just a sign of someone with a mental disorder, ("every ones out to get me" seems a very typical sympton of Schizophrenia) and it was this mental disorder that caused him to kill himself.

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Post by Jamesh » Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:35 am

That sounds like the worst action adventure movie ever created....by Michael Moore. There has been a lot of stupid shit on the boards lately but this takes the cake.

I really don't see how you can be so sure of that, but then we know your political persuasion.

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Post by sschaula » Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:17 am

Is that supposed to be an insult?

Coming from someone who suggests the government may have been after Thompson, and were planning on making his death look like a suicide?

Coming from someone who isn't actually sure about my "persuasion", yet assumes they know because of a few things I've said in the past. Get your head out of your ass, Jamesh.

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Post by MKFaizi » Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:11 pm

Thompson was many things -- crazy as hell included. But he was not mentally ill. He definitely was not paranoid in the sense of thinking the government was out to get him. Of course, he did and wrote many things that could cause the government to be out to get him. So, they may have, indeed, been out to get him.

Not out to get him. Hell bent on shutting him up would be more like it. Whatever else anyone can say about him, the man was an individual in the biggest sense -- a throwback to Thoreau. Excellent writer.

I read his books when I was a teen. I used to think he was making the stuff up. An outspoken individualistic man who truly did not care who heard him say what, if he knew what he was saying/writing was truth. I was astounded when I learned that he wasn't just making stuff up.

It really was hard to believe that he could kill himself. I reckon he had his reasons but I will always be pissed off at him for that. If ever the world needed a loud mouth iconoclastic die-hard writer with a big individualistic voice, it's now. Thompson was the greatest sort of American -- the American anti-American.

He was "shocking" without being a shock jock. He had no need for profanity, like the self indulgent Howard Wig-boy Stern.

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Post by propellerbeanie » Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:12 pm

What do you get if you cross Elmer Fudd with Mr. Mcgoo?

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Post by Jamesh » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:40 am

Is that supposed to be an insult?

Insult is the wrong word. I was merely indicating your leanings, albeit with a negative tone.

Coming from someone who suggests the government may have been after Thompson, and were planning on making his death look like a suicide?

Big deal, in any case it was a suggestion not a strong belief.

(Rhetorically) Do you think political parties are beyond such things? Do you think that in 30 years the political system has become so mature that these things don't happen in the big old ultra -civilised West, when they clearly still happen is less developed countries. I don't. When it comes to fulfilling strong desires people are the same as they have always been, it is just these days there is less need to kill competitors working for the same side.

Coming from someone who isn't actually sure about my "persuasion", yet assumes they know because of a few things I've said in the past. Get your head out of your ass, Jamesh.

Well you tried to join the bloody army or something didn't you, and you've expressed some pretty conservative-like stuff in the past. This shows you value and respect that side of politics.

Anyway, I feel I'm pointlessly arguing for arguments sake.

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Post by Jamesh » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:44 am

Thompson was many things -- crazy as hell included. But he was not mentally ill. He definitely was not paranoid in the sense of thinking the government was out to get him.

Just like Scotties opinions, I really don't see how you can be so sure of that. 50/50 if you ask me.

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Post by MKFaizi » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:26 pm

Have you read any of his books?

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Post by sschaula » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:36 pm

You really think there is a 50% chance that the government killed him and made it look like a suicide, and there's a 50% chance that he was mentally ill?

What are you, a simple robot? Think about the planning and secrecy involved with something like a murder cover up. Just for someone who writes books? It's not like he said anything THAT dangerous even.

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Post by sschaula » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:37 pm

As a side note, apparently I don't adhere to the saying "Don't argue with a moron, they'll just bring you down to their level."

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Post by MKFaizi » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:45 pm

If you have read any of his books or read accounts of his actions, you would know that there was plenty of reason for the US government to dislike him. He did not have to be paranoid. He was provocative; challenging -- with a loud voice.

Things were tough enough back in the sixties and seventies but post 911. forget about it. I come home every single day of my life expecting to find a supeona on my door -- for some bullshit or other -- not for raising the terrorist threat level. I am not paranoid. I just live in the Botetourt Archepelago. If you breathe wrong, you're a criminal.

In the US generally, poverty has become a crime unto itself. If you are poor, then, you are disfavored by God. Christianity has become equivocal to wealth. If you are poor, you have done something very wrong.

That's just a fact. Jesus saves at The Bank of America. No tickee no washee.

666.

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Post by MKFaizi » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:11 pm

You are plumb stupid if you do not think that the word can get you killed or otherwise shut up.

In 1990, the father of my children, was reported to the SS for driving too close to Camp David. He and his brother and nephew were questioned by the SS and the SS searched our house for WMDs.

That was in 1990. Imagine what would happen now. As Arab-looking men, they would have been locked up for life.

Even as a white woman, I would not drive within seventy-five miles of Camp David.

In order to take a White House tour, you have to pass scrutiny by the government. I could not pass. I was married to a Paki traveling too close to Camp David and my house was searched by the SS. My cousin threatened to kill Nixon and my boyfriend in the sixties was arrested by the SS for threatening to kill Nixon. I am a descendent of John Wilkes Boothe. I am a cousin to George W. Bush. I was a member of Insane Liberation.

Let freedom ring.

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Post by Jamesh » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:22 pm

What are you, a simple robot? Think about the planning and secrecy involved with something like a murder cover up. Just for someone who writes books? It's not like he said anything THAT dangerous even.

Fair enough, valid point - but this guy had a big name meaning people are likely to pay more attention to him than some unknown like us who might right the same sort of stuff on a website or forum.

I don't think a murder coverup of this type for someone as rad as him would be difficult at all. Still it would be unlikely. 50/50 was just an approximation because it would be silly to try and work out more accurate odds. I don't give fuck if it is 90/10 or 10/90.

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Post by MKFaizi » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:10 pm

But he did say things that were dangerous. He did things that were dangerous -- like setting fire to motel rooms occupied by national politicians.

It is not all that hard for things to be covered up. I don't believe in conspiracies. Yet, I do realize that conspiracies sometimes happen. Watergate was a conspiracy that went bad -- Nixon could not get away with the same sort of thing that Reagan pulled off. Reagan pulled off Iran/Contra. He was such a swell guy. Great actor.

I would have to read a lot more to decide whether or not Thompson was offed by the Bushites. I would want to hear what his family thinks.

Thompson was not crazy. He believed in the individual, not democracy; freedom, not stupidity.

In the US, church and state have become much too close for comfort. Opinionated people who go against the grain are not welcome. I don't see that circumstance likely to change in the near future.

My nephew has a sticker on his car referring to atheists. Brave man. I am surprised he has not been shot. Wouldn't take a conspiracy. Easy. Just plant some cocaine on him and put a gun in his hand and claim he was a coke head shot in self defense. Fucking atheist, anyway. Screw him.

We live in the Bible Belt, of course. Piteous thing is that the entire country is becoming the Bible Belt. NYC may yet be a free zone. Maybe. I don't even think Boston is immune to the Bible.

So, have you read any of Thompson's books?

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Post by MKFaizi » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:56 pm

"We had two bags of Grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half-full of cacaine and a whole galaxy of multicolored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers.... also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls... but the only thing that worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge..."

"The Edge... There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. The others --- the living --- are those who pushed their control as far as they felt they could handle it, and then pulled back, or slowed down, or did whatever they had to when it came time to choose between Now and Later."

"Nobody seems to know what my crimes are. The Charges are vague but... I am actually on trial for Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll..."

"America... just a nation of two hundred million used car salesmen with all the money we need to buy guns and no qualms about killing anybody else in the world who tries to make us uncomfortable."

"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours."

"If I'd written all the truth I knew for the past ten years, about 600 people - including me - would be rotting in prison cells from Rio to Seattle today. Absolute truth is a very rare and dangerous commodity in the context of professional journalism."

"In four short years he has turned our country from a prosperous nation at peace into a desperately indebted nation at war. But so what? He is the President of the United States, and you're not. Love it or leave it." –on George W. Bush

"Richard Nixon looks like a flaming liberal today, compared to a golem like George Bush. Indeed. Where is Richard Nixon now that we finally need him?"

"Nixon was a professional politician, and I despised everything he stood for -- but if he were running for president this year against the evil Bush-Cheney gang, I would happily vote for him."

"Bush is a natural-born loser with a filthy-rich daddy who pimped his son out to rich oil-mongers. He hates music, football and sex, in no particular order, and he is no fun at all."

"We are turning into a nation of whimpering slaves to Fear -- fear of war, fear of poverty, fear of random terrorism, fear of getting down-sized or fired because of the plunging economy, fear of getting evicted for bad debts, or suddenly getting locked up in a military detention camp on vague charges of being a Terrorist sympathizer."

"I've always considered writing the most hateful kind of work. I suspect it's a bit like fucking, which is only fun for amateurs. Old whores don't do much giggling."

"The most important thing a writer can have:
the ability to live with constant loneliness and a strong sense
of revulsion for the banalities of everyday socializing."

"Let us visualize the secure man; and by this term, I mean a man who has settled for financial and personal security for his goal in life. In general, he is a man who has pushed ambition and initiative aside and settled down, so to speak, in a boring, but safe and comfortable rut for the rest of his life. His future is but an extension of his present, and he accepts it as such with a complacent shrug of his shoulders. His ideas and ideals are those of society in general and he is accepted as a respectable, but average and prosaic man. But is he a man? has he any self-respect or pride in himself? How could he, when he has risked nothing and gained nothing? What does he think when he sees his youthful dreams of adventure, accomplishment, travel and romance buried under the cloak of conformity? How does he feel when he realizes that he has barely tasted the meal of life; when he sees the prison he has made for himself in pursuit of the almighty dollar? If he thinks this is all well and good, fine, but think of the tragedy of a man who has sacrificed his freedom on the altar of security, and wishes he could turn back the hands of time. A man is to be pitied who lacked the courage to accept the challenge of freedom and depart from the cushion of security and see life as it is instead of living it second-hand. Life has by-passed this man and he has watched from a secure place, afraid to seek anything better What has he done except to sit and wait for the tomorrow which never comes?"

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Post by MKFaizi » Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:14 pm

Was it a veiled deathwish for his own countrymen when he said "the struggle can only end with their complete, and total, destruction"?
No. Nothing veiled about that.

Just cold, naked logic.

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Post by avidaloca » Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:56 am

It's also a handy way of continuing the open-ended war on terror because wait, they're not completely and totally destroyed yet!

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