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Brad and Elizabeth

Post by David Quinn » Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:28 pm

Ah, the joys of samsara. How could we live without them?

From another forum:
Apparently going around NY at the moment. 1st is a girl's apology email for cheating on some bloke. 2nd is his reply which was bcc'd to his entire
address book. He makes some excellent points.

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Brad,

It would be difficult for me to be any more miserable right now, I feel
like the worst person ever. First, let me start by saying that I am truly
truly sorry, and I hate myself for hurting you. Of all the people in the
whole entire world, you were honestly the last person that I would ever
want to wrong in any way. There is no excuse at all or anything that
happened, so I won't even try other than to say all of us had WAY too much
to drink, and I did a stupid thing. I can handle you being pissed at me, I
absolutely deserve it, I can even handle the ugly words that were exchanged
between us, what I can't handle is thinking that you see me as a different
person. It is weird, I feel like I just went through a horrible break up or
something. The world looked funny yesterday, I couldn't crack a smile if
you paid me, there are songs I can't listen to, and I just feel beyond
crushed. I don't know if you meant everything you said to me, and I am
hoping that you didn't. I know that I was wrong on many levels, but I am
also hoping that this is something that we can deal with. I know it sounds
totally crazy and stupid, but you have come to play such a significant role
in my life, I can't imagine my days without you. It is totally strange and
weird to say that, and you could say that my behaviour didn't reflect that,
and you would be correct. I hate feeling like you hate me, and I hate
feeling like all of your friends think I am a terrible person, because I am
not. I know there is nothing I can say or do to take back what happened,
but I just want you to know that fighting with you was just about the worst
thing I could have ever imagined. It was right up there with one of the
ugliest nights of my life, and I would give anything in the world to rewind
and fix it.

I am not sure if you will respond to this, part of me thinks that you
won't. If not today, then maybe some other time. Also, thanks for getting
my stuff together, although I think my sunglasses are still at your house,
if you could keep your eyes peeled for them that would be great. I can't
even focus or work today, I can't eat, I seriously feel like it was an ugly
break up, and I am hoping against hopes that it was not that and you are
not done with me. Please don't cut me off, I really don't think I can
handle that.


I am so sorry.


Elizabeth



RESPONSE:


Dear Elizabeth,


Thank you for your concern. I'll be sure to file it away under "L" for
"Long-winded diatribes from drunken whores I couldn't care less about".

You did a stupid thing huh? No...doing long division and forgetting to
carry the one is "a stupid thing"; Mixing in a red sock with a load of
whites is "a stupid thing"; Blowing some guy in a bathroom for 45minutes
while I sit at the bar wondering if you're taking so long because you ate
too much bran that morning isn't as much a "Stupid thing" as it is grounds
for permanent removal from my social calendar.

To be honest, I'm not sure if it was more amusing that you went and
degraded yourself in a public toilet not once but twice in a 2 hour span,
or that you seemed to think that by saying "Well, I didn't F**k him"
somehow gave you a clean slate. So forgive me if I couldn't care less if
the world "looked funny" to you yesterday. Since your world revolves around
blow dryers, golden retrievers, Prada Bags and Jelly Beans, I'm sure it
must have been most unsettling to actually have to consider someone else's
feelings for 24 hours straight. The good news for you is that my friends
don't think you're a terrible person, they just think you're the average
run of the mill cu m-guzzling blond who commands about as much respect as
your average child p0rn collector. I could be wrong but, it's pretty hard
to respect some B&T chick who comes out to spend the night at my place even
though she's seeing someone else in New jersey and winds up tongue-bathing
the taint of anyone who decides 30 minutes of droning commentary on Colin
Farrell's new haircut is worth putting up with for a hand job in the men's
room. The good thing about being a guy is that when I eventually bump into
the young lad who finger-blasted you on top of a towel dispenser last
saturday, we'll have a shot and laugh our heads off about the time it
happened.

By the way, for the amount of time you claim to spend in spin class you
really must be doing something wrong to sport the thunder thighs you do.
Watching you parade around my bedroom in a thong was a little like watching
sea lions mate. Thought you might like to know.

PS. I BCC'd about 100 people on this email.

Talk to you never,
Brad
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Post by Ras866 » Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:09 pm

Ha Ha! Holy Shit ... That's music to my ears. Good for him, god-dammit!

Was there any more correspondance between the two?

That's some classic, humorish shit.

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Post by Leyla Shen » Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:09 pm

Eh, she just wanted her sunglasses back, really.

Of course, Brad -- being a woman himself, mostly -- has missed that point, entirely.

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Post by DHodges » Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:27 am

That's got to be a certain Elizabeth R., who lives in Queens, NY.

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Post by Dave Toast » Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:12 am

Elizabeth R, The Queen, lives in Buckingham Palace mate.

Slag!

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Post by MKFaizi » Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:31 am

Well, she's a 'ho.

Woo hoo.

There are male 'ho's, too. The whole thing is very teenage and I fail to grasp the significance of it.

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Post by Ras866 » Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:08 pm

I think the significance is in the fact that this guy doesn't take on a defeatist attitude after he finds out his lover was giving head to guys in the stalls while she was at the same bar as he. There are guys who would probably break down and start crying and wondering how could she have done such a thing to him ... But this guy takes what happens in a very matter of fact way by concluding that she is a drunken whore and that is what drunken whores do and he shouldn't feel pissed about it... Whether it was a guy figuring out his girlfriend was a cheater or a girl figuring out her boyfriend was a cheater, having that kind of non-chalantness about something like that is impressive.

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Post by Kevin Solway » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:22 pm

Leyla Shen wrote:Eh, she just wanted her sunglasses back, really.

Of course, Brad -- being a woman himself, mostly -- has missed that point, entirely.
Very good point. I concur. Seriously.

I think "the world looked funny" to her, because she either wasn't wearing her normal sunglasses, or couldn't imagine living without having them about her person.

She uses words like "'crack' a smile" and "horrible break up", "crushed", "please don't cut me off", because she is thinking about the possibility that Brad will destroy her sunglasses, possibly by cracking them, crushing them, or cutting them to pieces.

When she says, "There are songs I can't listen to", she's probably referring to that one that goes, "The Future's So Bright, I Gotta Wear Shades"

Incidentally, it can't have been a very busy pub if no-one else went to the toilet in the 45 minutes they were in there. Or perhaps the people of New York are so sophisticated that such behaviour in the toilet is regarded as normal.

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Post by Tomas » Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:35 pm

Typical Americana...been going on since Day One began.

Bill Clinton and whats her name? Mono mouth Monica.

Yep. Eve blew the Serpent in The Garden. Adam jacked-away from a distance...maybe joined in on a friendly three-way.

Life and a half-empty bottle of brew...See ya. The pavement is hard. The gutter slippery. Bummin' away.


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Re: Brad and Elizabeth

Post by Dan Rowden » Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:46 pm

Bullshit. That's what this thread is and also the subsequent discussion (apart from the observation that she only wanted her sunglasses).

The girl's a "slut"; so what. What does that mean? We assume virtue in the guy just because he craps on like a man with principles. We know nothing about him. His cleverly contructed reply is standard sophomore material if you ask me.

This is doubtful even for the Brothel, David.


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Post by David Quinn » Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:31 am

I liked the correspondence because it reveals the pain and anguish that usually accompanies hedonistic life, and also some of its absurdities. That's why I mentioned the "joys of samsara" at the top of the thread. I didn't see it as a male vs. female thing. Both parties are suffering here.

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Post by Matt Gregory » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:16 am

Leyla wrote:
Eh, she just wanted her sunglasses back, really.

Of course, Brad -- being a woman himself, mostly -- has missed that point, entirely.
His biggest mistake is that he forgot to include her phone number in the reply.

Ah well, he probably made the whole thing up just to spite her.

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Post by MKFaizi » Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:59 pm

I thought the whole thing was so much teen-age angst. Middle school drama.

I mean, I'm picturing this -- I am out to a bar or to dinner with a guy and he goes to the bathroom and performs cunnilingus on two women.

I would be pretty disgusted. I would also figure he has mental problems. I sure as hell would not bother writing him any letters.

Sucking pussy in a bathroom? While you are out on a date, no less?

Talk about your bad date etiquette!

Miss Manners would be appalled.

Purely childish exchange on both sides.

A lot of men are jealous to the point of paranoia. She may have just gone to the bathroom to pee and he concocted his own fears.

Teenage drama.

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Post by David Quinn » Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:18 pm

To my mind, this is a universal drama that can be played out by adults of any age - a moment of foolishness, cheating, getting caught, jealousy, pain, anguish, beseechments, cruelty, revenge, end of relationship. It sounds like a fairly common chain of events to me. It's only teenagerish on the surface.

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Samsara, Ahh

Post by sevens » Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:35 pm

With fresh rose petal and aged skunk bane, a new destiny, I did refrain.

Yo!

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Post by sue hindmarsh » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:08 pm

I don’t see why Brad is so upset.

In his email we discover that he was well aware of her infidelity before this current incident, as she, "comes out to spend the night at my place even though she's seeing someone else". And yet, he was still happy to have her in his life and in his bed. He also knew that she was a "blond", had "thunder thighs"and "dron(ed)", before the bathroom incident. He writes dismissively about her world, "revolv(ing) around blow dryers, golden retrievers, Prada Bags and Jelly Beans", but before they broke up, his world was entwined quite happily with that world. Even his affection for her is made clear by the concern he showed whilst he, "sat at the bar waiting and wondering if (she was) taking so long because (she) ate too much bran that morning".

Why, after all that he knew about her, did he find this infidelity unacceptable?

It can only be due to him holding quite a strong affection for her. Before the bathroom incident, he was willing to accept her infidelity, as long as some other poor chap was being betrayed. But when he became ‘the betrayed’ – he then shouted and wailed at this outrage.

This guy is having way too much fun with all of this.

He is the one to blame for her indiscretion, as it is his weakness of mind that chose her in the first place. She, the innocent in this matter, was only expressing what came natural to her. He, on the other hand, should have considered her suitability as a partner long before the bathroom.


A man’s character is easily discovered by looking at the woman hanging off his arm.

A woman’s character is decided with each new man she meets.



Sue

p.s. Yes, Elizabeth wrote the email because of her sunglasses. The sunglasses were more ‘real’ than Brad could ever be – he is now, and always was, just part of the vague.

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Post by avidaloca » Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:05 am

A man’s character is easily discovered by looking at the woman hanging off his arm.
I shudder to think what this says about Kevin and his last girlfriend.

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Post by Kevin Solway » Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:32 am

I shudder to think what this says about Kevin and his last girlfriend.
It doesn't matter what girlfriend you have, it says pretty much the same thing.

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Post by avidaloca » Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:56 am

There are girlfriends though that some guys don't want but others do. Is this not dependent on the guy's character?

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Post by Dan Rowden » Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:28 pm

Are those differences matters of character or just taste, in much the same way as some guys prefer brunettes to blondes, some big tits over small, some green eyes over blue etc? Some girls may express their femininity in slightly different ways to others (i.e. through personality), thus appealling more or less to different guys, but the deeper, overall effect - that of expressing femininity - remains the same.


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Post by avidaloca » Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:41 pm

Looks aside, there are still some guys who wouldn't get with really dumb or boring women, or spiteful, immature types. It takes a certain guy to want to be with an ex-heroin addict for example, when the ex-addict is doped out of her brain and can barely think.

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Post by kjones » Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:46 pm

avidaloca wrote:Looks aside, there are still some guys who wouldn't get with really dumb or boring women, or spiteful, immature types. It takes a certain guy to want to be with an ex-heroin addict for example, when the ex-addict is doped out of her brain and can barely think.
Any want-to-be-with has the same principle, no matter how it is expressed.

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Post by avidaloca » Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:55 pm

Then we should change the quote to:

"A man’s character is easily discovered by looking at whether or not a woman is hanging off his arm."

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Post by Leyla Shen » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:07 pm

Somehow, I don't think you'll have too much trouble getting that one passed, avidaloca. :)

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Post by sue hindmarsh » Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:12 pm

Dan wrote:
Are those differences matters of character or just taste, in much the same way as some guys prefer brunettes to blondes, some big tits over small, some green eyes over blue etc? Some girls may express their femininity in slightly different ways to others (i.e. through personality), thus appealling more or less to different guys, but the deeper, overall effect - that of expressing femininity - remains the same.
Yes, femininity remains the same, not because it gains from being so - no, femininity knows neither profit nor loss - all it knows, is what it's told.

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Woman’s personality is flexible, as is her appearance. If a chap prefers his woman big boobed and well read - I’m sure she can accommodate him. Does he like her to be simple and energetic – no problem at all. Does he want her to be more noble and courageous than he – well, hold on a minute – who said anything about a man wanting his woman to be more than he is himself.

Man created woman is his own image – colouring her in all his weaknesses and self-hatred.

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