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Dworkin and porn

Post by DHodges » Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:56 am

What was your point? That Dworkin was a fascist? She's the woman that the term "feminazi" was invented to describe.

I don't know what planet she's talking about, but it's a pretty scary place:
Pornography is the propaganda of sexual terrorism. Images of women bound, bruised, and maimed on virtually every street corner, on every magazine rack, in every drug store, in movie house after movie house, on billboards, on posters pasted on walls, are death threats to a female population in rebellion.
On this planet there are, as she says, pictures of women on billboards everywhere, and on about 75% of magazine covers. But bound, bruised and maimed? NOT!

It's hard to imagine that she's actually seen much porn - which, in my opinion generally treats men as objects as much as women, if not more so. Maybe she saw some extreme Japanese rape porn or German Scheisse loop, and assumed it was all like that. Or maybe she never saw any, and it was all what psychologists call "projection".

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Post by David Quinn » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:56 am

It also expresses a very contemptuous view of women. Most women in the porn and fashion/modelling industries willingly allow themselves to be subjected to whatever is asked of them, and many of them gain a lot of satisfaction from their work. Dworkins is implying these women have no minds of their own and have been gullibly led by men into acting against their will. Can she be any more misogynistic?

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Traci Lords

Post by DHodges » Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:39 am

DavidQuinn000 wrote:Most women in the porn and fashion/modelling industries willingly allow themselves to be subjected to whatever is asked of them, and many of them gain a lot of satisfaction from their work.
Yeah, I thought in particular of Traci Lords. She went to quite a bit of effort to get fake ID and lied quite a bit, so that she could get into porn when she was underage. She couldn't wait!

Certainly there are men that exhibitionistic, and enjoy having sex with a string of women; no one seems to think the men in porn are exceptionally exploited. I guess it's ... what? Unladylike? Rude? Unchivalrous? To suggest that there might also be women that would actually enjoy similar activities.

Can she be any more misogynistic?
I probably shouldn't play pop psychologist... but she seems to have had a deep psychological need to see women as victims. I would speculate that she was actually sublimating her own sadistic lesbian (and/or masochistic hetero) desires.

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