RON PAUL - OR WW3?

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zarathustra
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RON PAUL - OR WW3?

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The US preliminary elections are extremely important. If any of the 'corporate bought and paid for' candidates win and manage to bring the fascist Obama government down, then just like Obama, they too will lead the US and the whole world towards WW3. It doesn't matter what you call yourself: a Buddhist, Communist, Liberal, Left wing, Right wing. If Paul is defeated, all bets for a peaceful future ARE OFF...The only candidate who is campaigning against this slide towards Armageddon is Ron Paul, whose policies are as follows:


* Withdraw all US troops from all countries.

* Audit the Federal Reserve and close it down.

* Repeal the Patriot Act and all other draconian acts that have violated the constitution and the rights of freedom of speech and personal liberties.

* Withdraw all monetary support for overseas countries, including Israel.



I appeal to everyone who visits this site to support Ron Paul. If you're an American, spread the word, donate to his campaign and vote for him. If you are living in another country donate and spread the word. The scenario developing in the Middle East is frightening. Nuclear strikes are being discussed and Russia and China are siding with Iran. Wake up!

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Ron paul is Hope and change D: The man against abortion because of the sacrecy fetuses.

The US preliminary elections are extremely important. If any of the 'corporate bought and paid for' candidates win and manage to bring the fascist Obama government down, then just like Obama, they too will lead the US and the whole world towards WW3. It doesn't matter what you call yourself: a Buddhist, Communist, Liberal, Left wing, Right wing. If Paul is defeated, all bets for a peaceful future ARE OFF...The only candidate who is campaigning against this slide towards Armageddon is Ron Paul, whose policies are as follows:

* Withdraw all US troops from all countries.
* Audit the Federal Reserve and close it down.
* Repeal the Patriot Act and all other draconian acts that have violated the constitution and the rights of freedom of speech and personal liberties.
* Withdraw all monetary support for overseas countries, including Israel."


****No chance of that happening with or without the congress.


Paul seems to be one of minimal state, no health care, charity from wealthy and religious folks for the wealthy and religious.

Any nuclear threat (sorry Bob) is coming from Israel. But it is very difficult for the US to enter in another warfare especialy against Iran (instead of backing up insurgents like in Syria for example, or putting the voting system in doubt as they have done in Iran, and more or less in russia which does not have a plene 'democracy', or financing people in Cuba, or tribes in Libya, NATO included). Drones will not be enough and for ground troops it will have a great human loss (think about 15x or more than against Iraq). And in the middle of a economic recession if Iran close the Strait of Hormuz the price of oil will rise 'easily' to $150 barrel. Collapsing the already recessing US economy and Europen Union, world wide really. China does depends on Iran oil and will surpass any sanctions put up by US. Moreover Russia(?) has denied another pillage in Syria (as happened in libya) in UN.
This leaves Israel and Israel lobbyists only playing the power-bluff card. Their consolation prize will be a tentative to wage a war against Palestine, now recognized(?) by UN.

All of that unless Bilderberg and Sachs really wants to blow up the economy :D.

+If any of the corporate bought and paid for' candidates win
Who financiates Ron Paul?

+and manage to bring the fascist Obama government down, then just like Obama, they too will lead the US and the whole world towards WW3
By fascist do you mean the Wall Street, Goldman Sachs and the Republican government of Obama?

+WW3
Not with Iran... recession? Yea!

+It doesn't matter what you call yourself: a Buddhist, Communist, Liberal, Left wing, Right wing. If Paul is defeated, all bets for a peaceful future ARE OFF...
Beatles are bigger than Jesus. Thank god Paul is still alive and running.

+The only candidate who is campaigning against this slide towards Armageddon is Ron Paul.
That's for Bob. : ´p
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Your info re Ron Paul is inaccurate and in some cases, incorrect. You really should investigate what he's all about before drawing such uninformed conclusions. Obama isn't a Republican he's a Democrat, but in terms of policy these days, it's same difference. I implore everyone to investigate Paul's policies and record for themselves, his approach to the national debt, welfare, the Fed, taxation, pensions, overseas funding, weapons production, repealing fascist legislation, constitutional violations, wall street...don't be misled by MAINSTREAM PROPAGANDA...THINK FOR YOURSELVES. IF YOU REALLY CARE. Do your homework before drawing such ridiculous conclusions.

i DON'T WANT TO ARGUE WITH YOU. DO THE RESEARCH AND LET YOUR CONSCIENCE BE YOUR GUIDE...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjyP02_d ... r_embedded#!

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zarathustra wrote:Your info re Ron Paul is inaccurate and in some cases, incorrect. You really should investigate what he's all about before drawing such uninformed conclusions. Obama isn't a Republican he's a Democrat, but in terms of policy these days, it's same difference. I implore everyone to investigate Paul's policies and record for themselves, his approach to the national debt, welfare, the Fed, taxation, pensions, overseas funding, weapons production, repealing fascist legislation, constitutional violations, wall street...don't be misled by MAINSTREAM PROPAGANDA...THINK FOR YOURSELVES. IF YOU REALLY CARE. Do your homework before drawing such ridiculous conclusions.

i DON'T WANT TO ARGUE WITH YOU. DO THE RESEARCH AND LET YOUR CONSCIENCE BE YOUR GUIDE...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjyP02_d ... r_embedded#!

pEACE

GodsDaughter says: Thanks for sharing this Zarathustra, I'll ask my facebook friends about Ron Paul and spread the word.
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With Ron Paul getting out of congress this year (barring lame duck session) and putting his chips on the presidency. The US is losing most everything. Obama represents a kinder, gentler fascism. It actually (the newer, better version) has been around since JFK was murdered LBJ and those since are the running dogs for the corporate monied elite people's names we are vaguely familiar with.

The 1,000 year Reich has arrived via Operation Northwoods.
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Ron Paul expelled from advisory board of Young Americans for Freedom


StumbleUponredditPrintEmail.Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) was booted off the Advisory Board of the conservative group Young Americans for Freedom (YAF) over what the group calls his "delusional and disturbing alliance with the fringe Anti-War movement."

According to a post at the organization's web site:

“It is a sad day in American history when a one-time conservative-libertarian stalwart has fallen more out of touch with America’s needs for national security than the current feeble and appeasing administration,” said YAF’s Senior National Director Jordan Marks.

Paul has served on the Advisory Board for the conservative organization for more than two decades, and was once honored with the "Guardian of Freedom" award, YAF's highest honor.

The group's founding document, The Sharon Statement, clearly states:

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THAT we will be free only so long as the national sovereignty of the United States is secure; that history shows periods of freedom are rare, and can exist only when free citizens concertedly defend their rights against all enemies…

At the time the document was written, international Communism was the main threat America faced, but today the biggest threat facing the nation is radical Islam, and those who have demonstrated their willingness to die in order to promote that ideology.

Americans got a taste of that threat on September 11, 2001.

But the organization believes that Paul has violated this principle with his recent positions on national defense.

“Freedom and prosperity cannot peacefully exist alongside radical Islam. It is unfortunate that Ron Paul--a member of the U.S. Congress-- does not understand this. Surely, our enemies do.”

Chris Bedford of The Daily Caller writes:

The United States, the West and those who love liberty around the planet are under siege by an enemy as dangerous as they are driven. Radical Islamism has declared war on everything — and everyone — that we stand for and cherish. This insidious foe believes that the West is doomed, that our civilization and its allies must be destroyed, and that Allah has commanded that they give life and limb to ensure that a twisted and totalitarian form of Sharia law reigns over the entire planet.

In December, 2007, Paul told Meet the Press he supported cutting off all aid to Israel and said America under a President Paul would not respond to an invasion of South Korea by North Korea unless Congress declared war. The Korean War, technically, has not ended, but currently enjoys a cease-fire.

He also said America needed no troops overseas. "They will not serve our interests to be overseas. They get us into trouble. And we can defend this country without troops in Germany & troops in Japan," he said.

Regarding Islamic terrorism, however, Paul seemed to find a moral equivalent between U.S. policy and the stated goals of Islamic radicals:

Q: Do you think there’s an ideological struggle that Islamic fascists want to take over the world?

A: Oh, I think some, just like the West is wanting to do that all the time. Look at the way they look at us. I mean, we’re in a 130 countries. We have 700 bases. How do you think they proposed that to their people, saying “What does America want to do? Are they over here to be nice to us and teach us how to be good Democrats?”

Q: So you see a moral equivalency between the West and Islamic fascism?

A: For some radicals on each side that want to impose our will with force. Not the American people--I’m talking the people who have hijacked our foreign policy, the people who took George Bush’s humble foreign policy and turned it into one of nation-building.

Q: The president himself?

A: The president himself has changed the policy. I liked the program he ran on. That’s what I defend. It changed at the first meeting of the Cabinet, [when they discussed] when were we going to attack Iraq?

Worse yet, Paul blamed the American presence in Saudi Arabia for the attacks on 9/11:

We had a base in Saudi Arabia that was an affront to their religion, that was blasphemy as far as they were concerned. We were bombing Iraq for 10 years. We’ve interfered in Iran since 1953. Our CIA’s been involved in the overthrow of their governments. We side more with Israel and Pakistan, and they get annoyed with this. How would we react if they were on our land? We would be very annoyed, and we’d be fighting mad.

When asked about support for the creation of a commission to monitor the eradication of slavery in Sudan in 2007, Paul was the only GOP candidate to answer "No."

In 2005, Paul voted against a bill that would help deter arms transfers by foreign countries to Communist China. That same year, he voted against restricting U.S. funding to the United Nations.

While remaining a steadfast fiscal hawk, Paul's positions on national defense and foreign policy are, at best, all over the map - and usually at odds with what is best for the country. Sometimes, he sounds like a card-carrying member of Code Pink.

Jordan Marks, national director for YAF, said, "Rep. Paul is clearly off his meds and must be purged from public office. YAF is starting the process by removing him from our national advisory board. Good riddance and he won't be missed."

Marks had even harsher words for the Texas Republican:

“Rep. Paul's refusal to support our nation’s military and national security interests border on treason, aside from his failure to uphold his oath to the United States Constitution and defend our country and citizens against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” Marks continued.

“Rep. Paul has strayed to the left of Obama and allied himself with the radical anti-war left by laying the blame on America for the unprovoked attacks of Sept. 11th. Additionally, Rep. Paul has not condemned the 9/11 "Truther" conspiracy theorists that support him, and he has repeatedly insisted, that the United States not bring justice to those who have murdered thousands of our civilians and soldiers at home and abroad. This is simply unacceptable. Clearly Rep. Paul cares more about a doomed presidential run than he does our country,” Marks added.


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I respect that you have taken the time to find out for yourself. It shows that you care and I respect your conclusions and your right to them.

Now here is what Ron Paul says. As you will see, his policies do not quite resonate with your conclusions...

Abortion:

youtube.com/watch?v=66jpPCIzza8

Paul seems to be one of minimal state, no health care, charity from wealthy and religious folks for the wealthy and religious.

Homosexuality:

youtube.com/watch?v=zIeW0DY64bE&feature=related

youtube.com/watch?v=E2yIxMtQLZU&feature=related


Health Care:

Libertarian View:

youtube.com/watch?v=WExYUnAe73Q&feature=related

Ron Paul:

ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/health-care/

Obamacare:

youtube.com/watch?v=GgOukcfoFks&feature=related (there are three videos)

Points to consider:
1. No one has a right to medical care. If one assumes such a right, it endorses the notion that some individuals have a right to someone else’s life and property. This totally contradicts the principles of liberty.
2. If medical care is provided by government, this can only be achieved by an authoritarian government unconcerned about the rights of the individual.
3. Economic fallacies accepted for more than 100 years in the United States has deceived policy makers into believing that quality medical care can only be achieved by government force, taxation, regulations, and bowing to a system of special interests that creates a system of corporatism.
4. More dollars into any monopoly run by government never increases quality but it always results in higher costs and prices.
5. Government does have an important role to play in facilitating the delivery of all goods and services in an ethical and efficient manner.
6. First, government should do no harm. It should get out of the way and repeal all the laws that have contributed to the mess we have.
7. The costs are obviously too high but in solving this problem one cannot ignore the debasement of the currency as a major factor.
8. Bureaucrats and other third parties must never be allowed to interfere in the doctor/patient relationship.
9. The tax code, including the ERISA laws, must be changed to give everyone equal treatment by allowing a 100% tax credit for all medical expenses.
Laws dealing with bad outcomes and prohibiting doctors from entering into voluntary agreements with their patients must be repealed. Tort laws play a significant role in pushing costs higher, prompting unnecessary treatment and excessive testing. Patients deserve the compensation; the attorneys do not.
10. Insurance sales should be legalized nationally across state lines to increase competition among the insurance companies.
11. Long-term insurance policies should be available to young people similar to term-life insurances that offer fixed prices for long periods of time.
12. The principle of insurance should be remembered. Its purpose in a free market is to measure risk, not to be used synonymously with social welfare programs. Any program that provides for first-dollar payment is no longer insurance. This would be similar to giving coverage for gasoline and repair bills to those who buy car insurance or providing food insurance for people to go to the grocery store. Obviously, that could not work.
13. The cozy relationship between organized medicine and government must be reversed.
Early on medical insurance was promoted by the medical community in order to boost re-imbursements to doctors and hospitals. That partnership has morphed into the government/insurance industry still being promoted by the current administration.
14. Threatening individuals with huge fines by forcing them to buy insurance is a boon to the insurance companies.
15. There must be more competition for individuals entering into the medical field. Licensing strictly limits the number of individuals who can provide patient care. A lot of problems were created in 20th century as a consequence the Flexner Report (1910), which was financed by the Carnegie Foundation and strongly supported by the AMA. Many medical schools were closed and the number of doctors was drastically reduced. The motivation was to close down medical schools that catered to women, minorities and especially homeopathy. We continue to suffer from these changes which were designed to protect physician’s income and promote allopathic medicine over the more natural cures and prevention of homeopathic medicine.
16. We must remove any obstacles for people seeking holistic and nutritional alternatives to current medical care. We must remove the threat of further regulations pushed by the drug companies now working worldwide to limit these alternatives.

True competition in the delivery of medical care is what is needed, not more government meddling.

Defense Spending/Rationale

ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/national-defense/

youtube.com/watch?v=ur4hKqTikqM&feature=player_embedded

youtube.com/watch?v=RW3YRo1H43M&feature=player_embedded

If you hit someone and kill their family, they will hate you and probably hit you back in the future. That’s what blowback is all about. It seems like such a simple concept, but many of Ron Paul’s opponents for the Presidency vehemently denied its validity.
They proclaim that what our military does abroad has no effect on how the citizens of the world feel towards us. The 9/11 terrorists hated our wealth and freedom so intensely that they sacrificed their lives to prove it? (Of course, our government bombing their countries, propping up their dictators and supplying their enemies with money and weapons had nothing to do with it…)
Instead of securing our borders, we’ve been planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression. Our military is spread thin all across the planet, yet we remain involved in dangerous power plays that unnecessarily put the lives of our soldiers at risk. And we brazenly squandered the wealth of our nation as if there were no tomorrow.
It doesn’t make any sense unless you consider increasing the profits of the military-industrial complex to be in the “national interest”, no matter what the cost to the rest of us may be.
America first. That is what Ron Paul‘s national defense proposal is all about. And with America he means all Americans, not just the elite. If elected President, Ron Paul will continue his efforts to secure our borders, safely bring our troops back home, and finally overhaul the intelligence apparatus in cooperation with intelligence professionals rather than political opportunists.
Ron Paul loves America. He is one of the very few true patriots left in Washington who are actively working on protecting our freedoms, our lives and our dignity...

Israel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyFosvHa ... re=related


The Federal Reserve:

Audit it – then shut it down!


The future without Ron Paul:

Police State America:

youtube.com/watch?v=Tu-8LUTG_YA
youtube.com/watch?v=NUSI6IJy7cs&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=IcSFO_6IPkw


What were you a Buddhist? A Commo? A Democrat? A Republican? A Libertarian?
A Christian? A jew? A----? > youtube.com/watch?v=Jffuzq2GpBI

Fight for freedom and Liberty!
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