The best modern test for measuring intelligence

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by Gurrb » Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:50 am

78 62 12 22. kinda do my own thing. i'm not as introverted as that score suggests though.

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by mensa-maniac » Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:59 am

Animus wrote:I'd honestly like to see those amongst us who tout their IQ complete this test and upload the results graphic to a website where we can observe their test results. People like Prince or Mensa-Maniac who tout superior intelligence. Of course, its only a test of pattern recognition abilities and not rationality, but what the hell, it'd be fun anyway.

The test has a 40m time limit and 39 questions, but it only took me 5 mins to do the complete test. Ample time for testing.
So the test is on one's speed ability! Although my brain speeds, my eyes are fucked up, I have amblyopia strabismus, which takes information a longer processing time. Which means I'd fail on a speed test and come crawling in last. I did a spacial testing which scored 100%

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by Animus » Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:34 am

mensa-maniac wrote:
Animus wrote:I'd honestly like to see those amongst us who tout their IQ complete this test and upload the results graphic to a website where we can observe their test results. People like Prince or Mensa-Maniac who tout superior intelligence. Of course, its only a test of pattern recognition abilities and not rationality, but what the hell, it'd be fun anyway.

The test has a 40m time limit and 39 questions, but it only took me 5 mins to do the complete test. Ample time for testing.
So the test is on one's speed ability! Although my brain speeds, my eyes are fucked up, I have amblyopia strabismus, which takes information a longer processing time. Which means I'd fail on a speed test and come crawling in last. I did a spacial testing which scored 100%
It is a composite scoring, there is not singular locus of intelligence anywhere. "Intelligence", Spearman's g, is a composite scoring of all your mental and sensory faculty pertaining to a particular skill set. If you have something that affects the speed of cognition then that impacts your g score. That's just how intelligence tests are set-up.
Gurrb wrote: i scored 140, but i don't take much weight in that. i guessed the last question, but besides that, the test was pretty straightforward. it's an internet iq test, i don't think it's that accurate if its ceiling is around the 140 mark.
it's just a number... a very black-and-white number.
IQ scores are always arrived at by a comparison with everyone else who has ever taken the test. Thus, if 140 is the top of the chart, then 140 is the highest scoring to-date, relative to the baseline average score of 100. Every IQ test is different and must rely on its own dataset for scoring.
mensa-maniac wrote:I could get information for you by asking my friend, ex publisher, and best seller Tracy Repchuk
who tested 2 levels above MENSA, which is in the genius level I believe. It's really amazing because I had informed many people on-line that Tracy Repchuk was a genius 4 years before she was tested. And Tracy published what I had said online. Anyway, I'm sure she'll know, because she advised me on what to do to be tested. I will ask Tracy when she gets back from a business trip.
There is nothing "2 levels above MENSA". Mensa defines their "level" as those who score in the top 2% of all people who take their specific IQ test. Mensa does not cross compare IQ scores, and no legitimate IQ testing compares results from one test with the results from another test...

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by Animus » Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:37 am

Mensa-Maniac,

The test I posted was from Mensa Danmark in compliance with Mensa's testing standards. I thought you'd know more about Mensa and psychometrics.

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by IJesusChrist » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:14 am

It's really not an IQ test, its a pattern recognition test.

I haven't been needing to analyze patterns like that since 6th grade math...

Thus the low score. do you know if it is time dependent - i.e. completeing with 50% correct in 5 minutes will score greater than 50% in 15?

(I don't think it was though)
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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by Animus » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:25 am

IJesusChrist wrote:It's really not an IQ test, its a pattern recognition test.

I haven't been needing to analyze patterns like that since 6th grade math...

Thus the low score. do you know if it is time dependent - i.e. completeing with 50% correct in 5 minutes will score greater than 50% in 15?

(I don't think it was though)
Speed matters, it measures the speed of your cognition, which is a valid psychometric.

What do you think intelligence is? Huh? Do you think intelligence is not "the ability to recognize patterns"? Do you think intelligence is all of the things you've learned since 6th grade math? IQ tests now-a-days are specifically designed to exclude anything that might be affected by knowledge. It is specifically designed to test your reasoning outside of any knowledge you have. That is why it appears in the manner it does, it doesn't matter if you are in the sixth grade or 65 years old, and nor should it, because its not a test of knowledge, its a test of generalized intelligence. Do none of you understand what intelligence tests are supposed to be? What they test for and what confounds them?

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by Gurrb » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:28 am

i don't think it's too time dependent. i took 12 minutes to finish, so maybe there's a threshold and past that point deductions are made for extended time.

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by IJesusChrist » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:53 am

I could practice pattern recognition, and achieve mensa level IQ on that before taking it.

How does recognizing tic-tac-toe patterns have anything with the ability to gain intelligence?

Seeing patterns, don't get me wrong, is extremely important. But that test most certainly does not address all types of patterns, nor does it accomodate other types of thinking, not to mention it is read left-to right bias on a few, where as none of them I saw would it be beneficial to read it from right to left.

Some islamic people would be pissed
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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by Animus » Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:05 pm

IJesusChrist wrote:I could practice pattern recognition, and achieve mensa level IQ on that before taking it.

How does recognizing tic-tac-toe patterns have anything with the ability to gain intelligence?

Seeing patterns, don't get me wrong, is extremely important. But that test most certainly does not address all types of patterns, nor does it accomodate other types of thinking, not to mention it is read left-to right bias on a few, where as none of them I saw would it be beneficial to read it from right to left.

Some islamic people would be pissed
Sure, you can't accommodate everyone on these tests. That is the central drive to make these tests culture fair and not dependent on any knowledge. The reason Asian people do better at math isn't because they are anatomically different, its because linguistically its easier to do math in chinese than in english. When doing math, the mind relies on these symbols, and so math is not a good measure of intelligence.

But look, there is this broader issue of whether or not generalized intelligence even exists and I've been arguing on this board for a little over a year that it does not exist. And I've made these same points that you can only test for a single specialized skill set, or lump all skill sets together and call it "General Intelligence", but in any case its an arbitrary metric. Then, its value lies only in it being what it is and not in what it is not and as such it is valuable.

Finally, yes you can exercise your faculty of cognition prior to taking the test. Part of the reason I score so high is because I've used my brain all of my life, I've used it to recognize patterns in my daily life and used various programs to help exercise my cognition. The brain is a muscle, like your biceps. One year you might be the man who can bench-press the most of anyone in the world, but through non-use/atrophy your muscle tissue deteriorates and a few years later you don't even qualify for the competition. The brain works the same way, if you don't use it, you lose it. But if you lose it and then take an test that says you are less intelligent than you were before, maybe all that means is, you are now less intelligent than you were before in respect to the elements included in the test.

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by Gurrb » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:17 pm

as studied, test results such as an iq test could vary by up to 30 from one week to the next. i find this gap being pretty large, but i understand that test scores do depend largely on your strength of the subject area, mood at the time, attention, and other shit.

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by mensa-maniac » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:59 pm

Animus wrote:Mensa-Maniac,

The test I posted was from Mensa Danmark in compliance with Mensa's testing standards. I thought you'd know more about Mensa and psychometrics.
Having ability for logical truths doesn't mean I should necessarily know things you know.

Besides, it was Tracy herself who relayed that information to me about being 2 levels above Mensa thing. I've definately known all along about the top 2% of the world's population being the smartest.

Pardon me Animus if I accidently call you anus, as I've almost done a couple times.

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by Animus » Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:06 pm

mensa-maniac wrote:
Animus wrote:Mensa-Maniac,

The test I posted was from Mensa Danmark in compliance with Mensa's testing standards. I thought you'd know more about Mensa and psychometrics.
Having ability for logical truths doesn't mean I should necessarily know things you know.

Besides, it was Tracy herself who relayed that information to me about being 2 levels above Mensa thing. I've definately known all along about the top 2% of the world's population being the smartest.

Pardon me Animus if I accidently call you anus, as I've almost done a couple times.
I'm just looking at your handle "Mensa-Maniac" and the claim you've made to be a "Mensan" and then looking at your utter lack of understanding about intelligence quotients, Mensa's organization and your evident inability to do the tests, and wondering how much of Mensa-Maniac is genuine human and how much is show.

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by mensa-maniac » Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:38 pm

Animus wrote:
mensa-maniac wrote:
Animus wrote:Mensa-Maniac,

The test I posted was from Mensa Danmark in compliance with Mensa's testing standards. I thought you'd know more about Mensa and psychometrics.
Having ability for logical truths doesn't mean I should necessarily know things you know.

Besides, it was Tracy herself who relayed that information to me about being 2 levels above Mensa thing. I've definately known all along about the top 2% of the world's population being the smartest.

Pardon me Animus if I accidently call you anus, as I've almost done a couple times.
I'm just looking at your handle "Mensa-Maniac" and the claim you've made to be a "Mensan" and then looking at your utter lack of understanding about intelligence quotients, Mensa's organization and your evident inability to do the tests, and wondering how much of Mensa-Maniac is genuine human and how much is show.
I never claimed to be a Mensan, I only use the name Mensa-maniac, perhaps you should ask I Jesus Christ if he is the real Christ or Prince if he is a real prince. Certainly, I have Mensa books, and find some of them easy, some difficult, but I've never claimed to be a Mensan, but I probably could pass with flying colors I'll have you know!

My utter lack of understanding ay, baloney to that nonsense! I lack somewhat in my understanding of intelligence quotients, but I wouldn't say it is an utter lack of understanding, considering I have completed many of the tests in my Mensa books, so take it back Anus, or I'll call you Anus from here on in!

No I won't just kidding, actually, Thanks for challenging me!



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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by mensa-maniac » Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:46 pm

Oh, pardon me, it' not that I lack understanding of these MENSA tests as it is ignorance to them, there is a difference between understanding them and ignorance to them.

I've never been tested with MENSA other than from my books. So the assumption I lack understanding or ignorance to these tests are somewhat inaccurate.

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by Animus » Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:50 pm

mensa-maniac wrote:Oh, pardon me, it' not that I lack understanding of these MENSA tests as it is ignorance to them, there is a difference between understanding them and ignorance to them.

I've never been tested with MENSA other than from my books. So the assumption I lack understanding or ignorance to these tests are somewhat inaccurate.
Hey, your welcome for challenging you, and feel free to call me whatever you want since it only matters to you.

Is this like how Creationists are ignorant of Evolution but argue about it anyway?

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by Animus » Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:54 pm

mensa-maniac wrote:
I never claimed to be a Mensan, I only use the name Mensa-maniac, perhaps you should ask I Jesus Christ if he is the real Christ or Prince if he is a real prince. Certainly, I have Mensa books, and find some of them easy, some difficult, but I've never claimed to be a Mensan, but I probably could pass with flying colors I'll have you know!

My utter lack of understanding ay, baloney to that nonsense! I lack somewhat in my understanding of intelligence quotients, but I wouldn't say it is an utter lack of understanding, considering I have completed many of the tests in my Mensa books, so take it back Anus, or I'll call you Anus from here on in!

No I won't just kidding, actually, Thanks for challenging me!



"Jealousies of the Intellect"
Sorry, I thought you claimed to be a Mensan at one point. It's hard to keep track of everyone here, make no mistake, I'm making no excuses, I should have adequate knowledge before commenting. I don't wonder too much about Prince or IJesusChrist because they strike me as fraudulent anyway.

The guys on The Agenda forum used to call me Anusmouth, I think they found it rolls off the tongue nicely.

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by mensa-maniac » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:30 pm

mensa-maniac wrote:
Animus wrote:I'd honestly like to see those amongst us who tout their IQ complete this test and upload the results graphic to a website where we can observe their test results. People like Prince or Mensa-Maniac who tout superior intelligence. Of course, its only a test of pattern recognition abilities and not rationality, but what the hell, it'd be fun anyway.

The test has a 40m time limit and 39 questions, but it only took me 5 mins to do the complete test. Ample time for testing.
So the test is on one's speed ability! Although my brain speeds, my eyes are fucked up, I have amblyopia strabismus, which takes information a longer processing time. Which means I'd fail on a speed test and come crawling in last. I did a spacial testing which scored 100%
The darn test should measure correctness overall, how correct one is over how fast they are. I'm fast at everything I do, faster than most people, I walk fast, talk fast, think fast, and even fast once in a while. Seriously!

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by Gurrb » Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:22 am

mensa-maniac wrote:
mensa-maniac wrote:
Animus wrote:I'd honestly like to see those amongst us who tout their IQ complete this test and upload the results graphic to a website where we can observe their test results. People like Prince or Mensa-Maniac who tout superior intelligence. Of course, its only a test of pattern recognition abilities and not rationality, but what the hell, it'd be fun anyway.

The test has a 40m time limit and 39 questions, but it only took me 5 mins to do the complete test. Ample time for testing.
So the test is on one's speed ability! Although my brain speeds, my eyes are fucked up, I have amblyopia strabismus, which takes information a longer processing time. Which means I'd fail on a speed test and come crawling in last. I did a spacial testing which scored 100%
The darn test should measure correctness overall, how correct one is over how fast they are. I'm fast at everything I do, faster than most people, I walk fast, talk fast, think fast, and even fast once in a while. Seriously!
better to be slow and right than fast and wrong?

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by uncledote » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:50 am

Did anyone get the last question with the black and white squares and dots? What a fukker it was!

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by Pincho Paxton » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:53 am

uncledote wrote:Did anyone get the last question with the black and white squares and dots? What a fukker it was!
Don't tell me anything about the test.. I want to take it with no knowledge of it.

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by Pincho Paxton » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:29 pm

I only scored 122, no excuses really, I didn't understand a lot of them. I'm supposed to be good at visual, so there must be some other knowledge going on, like what options are available in a test like this. I've passed two of these at Mensa level before.

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by Gurrb » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:32 am

uncledote wrote:Did anyone get the last question with the black and white squares and dots? What a fukker it was!
the very last one, or the checkerboard?

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by Animus » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:37 pm

People who hold a fixed view of their intelligence care so much about looking smart that they act dumb - Paraphrased from a statement made by Carol Dweck, a psychologist at Columbia University

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by uncledote » Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:00 am

Gurrb wrote:
uncledote wrote:Did anyone get the last question with the black and white squares and dots? What a fukker it was!
the very last one, or the checkerboard?
Yeah, the checkerboard. I must have stared at it for about eight minutes - not a clue!!

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Re: The best modern test for measuring intelligence

Post by Gurrb » Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:53 am

idk, i just took it as everytime the circles pass through a black square (advancing 1 spot every time, left to right) that it switches from a ring to a circle.

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