Barack Obama, next president of the U.S.?

[Alex Jacob]

Leyla,

Obama Teaches Us that now is the time to lay aside partisan differences, and to struggle together for the unity of the Whole. Your divisive comments only demonstrate that you are out of harmony with the New Cosmic Order. Lest any of us forget.

Leyla, you of all people need to kiss a Jew and try to make the world a better place. If I had any rabid anti-Semite Turkish Australians nearby I'd walk right over right now and kiss them...

Ataraxia...I will...never...conform...NEVER!

[brokenhead]

Leyla, you of all people need to kiss a Jew and try to make the world a better place.

Careful - she might turn into a princess...

[Tomas]

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Peru Offers Bald Dog of Incas to Obamas

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LIMA - Peruvians crazy about their national dog, a bald and often toothless breed popular among Incan kings, offered to send a hypoallergenic puppy to the Obama family. (see photo)

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http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/peru ... 50135.html

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[Diebert van Rhijn]

The New Cosmic Order, according to president-elect Obama, will take shape like this:

We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.

What can a civilian mean for security when he's unarmed? Uhmmm, lets see, yes we can do: .... invasion of the neighbor-snitchers! Lets all keep an eye on each other to fight poverty, civilian unrest, anti-government tendencies, social unjust, child abuse, pollution... in short: the enemy within.

[Alex Jacob]

I just got this from the AFL-CIO (Working America), but am not sure if Obama approves or disproves....

[brokenhead]

The New Cosmic Order, according to president-elect Obama, will take shape like this:

We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.

What can a civilian mean for security when he's unarmed? Uhmmm, lets see, yes we can do: .... invasion of the neighbor-snitchers! Lets all keep an eye on each other to fight poverty, civilian unrest, anti-government tendencies, social unjust, child abuse, pollution... in short: the enemy within.

There are already countless "Neighborhood Watch" groups all across the US. It doesn't seem like a bad thing.

[Leyla Shen]

Leyla,

Obama Teaches Us that now is the time to lay aside partisan differences, and to struggle together for the unity of the Whole. Your divisive comments only demonstrate that you are out of harmony with the New Cosmic Order. Lest any of us forget.

Quit wanking. I ain't impressed! Jewish humour has only so much mileage; it always takes the self-servingly safe way out...

Leyla, you of all people need to kiss a Jew and try to make the world a better place.

Perish the fucken thought! How about you make a Palestinian happy today and go and kiss the entire population of them, a few Syrians and some Iranians, to boot?

If I had any rabid anti-Semite Turkish Australians nearby I'd walk right over right now and kiss them...

And if you were anywhere near me, you'd have to kiss my sweet, well-defined Turkish arse. That'd make a real man out of you.

[Alex Jacob]

Here is a pdf file of a questionnaire given to those applying for a position in Obama's cabinet. There is an article in today's NY Times talking about it. Funny, that it is Obama (from what they say) who has holes in his time-line but he/they want to know if anyone has written something potentially embarrassing in a personal diary. There are days I wake up fucking sick of everything having to do with the US and never want to set foot there again...

Leyla, do you have an opinion on the video documentary I submitted earlier? What about the 'defense' of Israel (the web page I posted a link to)?

There is a new documentary out on Mustafa Ataturk, see NY Times article. There's even a video clip.

[mansman]

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Peru Offers Bald Dog of Incas to Obamas

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LIMA - Peruvians crazy about their national dog, a bald and often toothless breed popular among Incan kings, offered to send a hypoallergenic puppy to the Obama family. (see photo)

-Click URL for complete article-

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/peru ... 50135.html

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Did you notice that amazingly frequently the president and persons trying to be president, i dont pay much attention but maybe also governors and top judges, did you notice how often they have FEMALE children? Im wondering if anyone has compared say last 10 or 20 years if just my imagination or is it true that YOU CANT BECOME PRESIDENT or (fill in the blank) IF YOU HAVE MALE KIDS. Anyone discuss this yet? Im not pay much attention but since its almost a rule in America that everyone has to wear a dress and shave body hair to be in good standing citizen, it should not be big surprise that is enevitable that some/all of these first ladies had deliberately the male fetus destroyed to make way for female. Politicians realize that many of voters are shallow and egocentric and lacking coljonees and that there entire carreer depends on not having boys (untill later, you will see Obama wife will have a boy if she able, Im guessing within 2 years time give or take {fuck you other 10 predictors, i beat you to this one}) and having girls!
So fucked up is voters that cant even tolerate 1 male heir with 2 or 3 female? Got to be zero boys? I dont know, like i say not keep track maybe there is a boy hidden in there somewhere in last 3 presidents, point is that girls are essential, is right?
Im sure Barack wanting boy at least 10 years now but had to kill it everytime, but now that he is BOSS he will flip finger to all bitchy voters (who, pay attention now, many skirts will regret ever voting for him black too b/c he is rare president with conscience and attachment to justice) and have 1 maybe more boys, i bet he is working on it right now pounding his black skinny ass for all its worth.

Enough said then. Except that if American truths havent made you throw up yet, then you do indeed belong here!

M

[mansman]

Leyla,

Obama Teaches Us that now is the time to lay aside partisan differences, and to struggle together for the unity of the Whole. Your divisive comments only demonstrate that you are out of harmony with the New Cosmic Order. Lest any of us forget.

So you think he so stupid to believe the other party will just come along with little resistance, haha.
He knows it will never happen, still he has to say this shit, got to show his hopes. Its ridiculous to think the leader will dilute his plans, ideas so why? so they work not so good?
That is what all the OTHER politicians are for, to fight without weapons and PUSH your ideas (demands) through. Politicians have to act agreeable but thats all there is, acting.

Did you see that session with press few days ago. Is this how he talks always, AAAAHH, AAHHH, AAHHHH,, did you notice? That AAAHHH shit he should have learn to drop in first year speech class. I realize that was first time with unknown situation and much weight on sholders, no problem if disappear, but shows not having self-conscious of self, seem that press cut him slack this time but they wont next time.
AAAHHHH we're considering AAAHHHH getting a shelter AAAAHHH dog, AAAH but AAAHHHHH

[Diebert van Rhijn]

We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.

There are already countless "Neighborhood Watch" groups all across the US. It doesn't seem like a bad thing.

Perhaps I should stress the items of interest:

- a national security force, that doesn't seem anywhere related to 'neighborhood' in terms of organization and goal.
- just as powerful, strong and well-funded, and all this compared to the US military's funding and power to blow up the planet a few hundred times?

I'm sure the plan in detail is something way less horrifying than it now sounds, and yeah: neighborhood watches are as old and common over the whole world as neighborhoods themselves. Obama is praised as such a communicator but this is or a blooper or something way more deluded than G.W Bush's team ever could have dreamed up.

[mansman]

"If you doubt that the people you voted for are either idiots or insincere, just count and compare the number of noteworthy party's to the colors on the election map."

Who wrote this?
Can you interpet?

[mansman]

civilian=do more to protect the country back at its borders
force=force of mind
powerful=effective
funded=re-direct dollars

[DHodges]

- a national security force, that doesn't seem anywhere related to 'neighborhood' in terms of organization and goal.
- just as powerful, strong and well-funded, and all this compared to the US military's funding and power to blow up the planet a few hundred times?

It will be a well-regulated militia, which is necessary to the security of a free state.

[Diebert van Rhijn]

- a national security force, that doesn't seem anywhere related to 'neighborhood' in terms of organization and goal.
- just as powerful, strong and well-funded, and all this compared to the US military's funding and power to blow up the planet a few hundred times?

It will be a well-regulated militia, which is necessary to the security of a free state.

What Obama seems to be suggesting [quite awkwardly still] is a extremely well federally funded expansion of existing community service efforts. They won't be armed or intended to do the work of the military, police or neighborhood watches. But it's really more like expanding the existing Peace Corps and Americorps so it does have even an international aim as well.

He explained later: "We need to be able to deploy teams that combine agricultural specialists and engineers and linguists and cultural specialists who are prepared to go into some of the most dangerous areas alongside our military”.

This is from his website:

* Barack Obama will enable all Americans to serve:

Obama and Biden will expand AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps, engage retiring Americans, and set up an America's Voice Initiative to send Americans who are fluent speakers of local languages to expand our public diplomacy.

* Integrate service into learning:

Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year, and will establish a new tax credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.

* Invest in the nonprofit sector:

Obama and Biden will create a Social Investment Fund Network to use federal seed money to leverage private sector funding. They will create an agency dedicated to building the capacity and effectiveness of the nonprofit sector.

It seems to me Obama wants to use his local vision he developed in community work to a federal level, and even beyond. The planet as one city with different hoods. It's really ultimate super-statism as this organization cannot be anything else than heavily centralized and controlled to be effective. And that's not how communities can work without changing in something entirely unpleasant. Now if he simultaneously would propose downsizing the military, it would at least make a bit sense. But creating a bigger carrot to go with the bigger sticks? Such carrots become very easily sticks as well...

[brokenhead]

So fucked up is voters that cant even tolerate 1 male heir with 2 or 3 female? Got to be zero boys?

The elder Bush had sons and look what happened. Americans should be wary of any Camelot-type scenarios.

Also, children can be a liability in politics. The power-brokers that make the decisions in the established parties are likely biased so as to think that image-wise, daughters are less risky because less is expected of women. Sons would have to be successful in their own right, but not so much that their accomplishments would overshadow the politician parent. Daughters can appear to be docile and unremarkable without anyone saying anything about it. The bottom line of politics is gossip, after all, when you think about it. Sons = trouble.

Don't think for a second that it's all in your head, mansman. There are definitely political reasons for your observation.

[Leyla Shen]

Leyla, do you have an opinion on the video documentary I submitted earlier? What about the 'defense' of Israel (the web page I posted a link to)?

Alex, you post so many random, untitled links I wouldn't know where to start with your descriptions to find any specific one. I ain't Tomas, avidly clicking onto them—and pasting more in kind. If there ain't no substance from the poster, I ain't about to grant there would be any substance to their reason for link posting.

There is a new documentary out on Mustafa Ataturk, see NY Times article. There's even a video clip.

Did you have something to say about it, or are you waiting for assistance? Perhaps there is an unspoken connection between this and the other two links you mention above? Wait. Let me get my hyperdimensional henid translating super transponder geared up...

[guest_of_logic]

Leyla, do you have an opinion on the video documentary I submitted earlier? What about the 'defense' of Israel (the web page I posted a link to)?

Alex, you post so many random, untitled links I wouldn't know where to start with your descriptions to find any specific one. I ain't Tomas, avidly clicking onto them—and pasting more in kind. If there ain't no substance from the poster, I ain't about to grant there would be any substance to their reason for link posting.

I read through the defence-of-Israel paper and it seemed (to a chap who doesn't know much about the history of the Middle East) to make a lot of sense. I'd also like to know your response to it, Leyla. Here it is again: The rights of the Jewish people to a sovereign state in their historic homeland. As for the video documentary, I didn't watch it and I can't even remember it being posted - I tend not to watch the videos that people post, I prefer reading what they have to say.

[Leyla Shen]

Thanks for posting unsubstantiated propaganda link!

Have you noticed the number of times the word "new" is used in the article? That is the first and grandest lie of the piece and starts in its very first sentence, and the average Joe would, of course, have no idea. And I quote:

A new critique of Israel proposes its elimination and replacement with a bi-national Palestinian-Jewish state.

There is NOTHING new about a "bi-national" Arab/Jew state!!! It's the oldest fucking thing since the Mandate!

I'll give you something more substantial, as well as my own specific and suitable linked references for the above statement, soon.

(PS: Un-fucking-believable.)

[brad walker]

Alex will love this. The YouTube Presidency

[Alex Jacob]

Now, I see Barack Hussein Obama as little less than the Anti-Christ. I repudiate him, I say 'Get thee behind me, Barack!'

There will come a day when we all have direct 'feeds' right into our minds, no need for an electronic intermediary. Just like today, with Blue-tooth gadgets, you see people walking down the street talking to themselves, in the Obamaian future the 'feed' we receive will function as our lens for the interpretation of this entire reality, and THAT is when Space Captain Yahweh will come back to set up his infernal kingdom.

Why didn't we listen to Tomas!?! Why?!?

[Diebert van Rhijn]

I read through the defence-of-Israel paper and it seemed (to a chap who doesn't know much about the history of the Middle East) to make a lot of sense.

It's designed to make sense to people who don't know much. The authors themselves seem blissfully unaware, possible biased by strong emotional attachments, if not downright malign.

Here are some of the worst wrongs of that list:

Jewish nationhood preceded the emergence of most modern nation-states by thousands of years. They say nothing about the validity of dozens of new states that have emerged in the last half century

There's as far as I know no other example of people claiming land because of a lineage or a presence many centuries ago while not dominantly living there in the present. Apart of course during the age of slave trade and colonization, when people claimed land for various reasons mostly to do with some 'god-given' right and racism. And that's exactly what Israel as it is now boils down to: a remnant of such arcane colonization process. The only comparable situation this age was Saddam Hussein sending in Arabs in the Kurdish regions and various displacements facilitated by Hitler and Stalin.

The new assault on Israel is partly based on ignorance of Jewish history in today's highly secularized world.

One of the famous proponents of bi-national solution was Martin Buber. I'm sure he was ignorant of Jewish history and religion, that must be why he's revered throughout the world. And he died in 1965.

it is impossible to argue that the Palestinians have a claim to the Land of Israel superior

It's not the claim that's the problem, it's how it's being exercised. Expulsion versus terrorism. Both parties have their fanatics.

Israel's communal expression in no way infringes the rights of minority citizens

That's only because Israel has decided way back who could remain citizen, denying the UN Right of Return to refugees while promoting the same Right of Return to anyone embracing their Jewish identity around the world.

[Alex Jacob]

Start at the very beginning, the essential, the core, whether it is stated or not: Diebert does not like the whole notion of 'Jewishness', and anything that comes from it. The religious constructs, Christianity, perhaps any sort of idea of a creative, moulding force, something that man has to answer to, all this is anathema for Diebert, as he regularly states. Everything---not just some things, but all things---that come from Judaism are 'hallucinations' and evidences of 'psychosis'. And so, with this platform, there is no other alternative but to tear it down, to see history destroy it, and any of history's actors. In all this we see a very active 'ressentiment', and it is a ressentiment that won't let up. That it operates consciously is one thing, but often it does not, and sometimes it seems that 80% of its operation is unconscious, that is, the carriers of it are unconscious of what they carry and why they carry it.

"It's designed to make sense to people who don't know much."

This is not true, it is more that the Israeli-Jewish perspective is different, and roots itself in other views. One page is not adequate to dispel a great deal of malicious omissions or deliberate distortions, however the two individuals who wrote it have written extensively in other places.

Another important fact is that most likely 95% of the whole discourse that is picked up and wielded by anti-Israelis---which as I suggest ties into rather standard anti-Semitic formulations, not all the time but often---only works with those who 'do not know much'. It is a very, very important point. The more you know, the more you see how complex the issues are, and how they hinge into very large questions that touch directly 'our modernity', the modern age, etc. This is one of the (important) ideas expressed and demonstrated in the video I linked to (and worth watching). It is a strange twist of fate that, like it or not, Jews are placed right in the center of a conflict that has such huge implications, but given their historical position in European culture---something, BTW, I assume that Diebert negates and cannot look at---it is 'fitting' in a way that this is so.

Most of the people who get all bent out of shape by 'what Israel is doing' have been brought into those sentiments by half-baked arguments, by partial views and misrepresented views. The basic structure of that view is as follows: the evil US empire, in secret collaboration with 'the Jews', is designing or has designed a stranglehold on the whole Earth, a sort of slavery, and they suck the whole world of its blood like vampires.

There you have it. It is a variant of the classic Medieval view of a satanic earthly empire overseen by Jews, the same Jews who betrayed Jesus and who engineered his crucifixion. The imagery clearly re-manifests the core, subconscious content. (Well, except perhaps image 6, but you be the judge of that...)

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(The last image I have to include otherwise our Australian contingent will lose interest in the whole conversation, and we can't allow that to happen).

It is this sort of imagery, which is also expressed in 'discourse', that is fed to people and which they drink up without a more careful analysis. 'It makes sense to people who do not know much', indeed it requires ignorance to flourish.

"There's as far as I know no other example of people claiming land because of a lineage or a presence many centuries ago while not dominantly living there in the present."

The Jewish, and/or Israeli argument, is that Jews have been living there uninterruptedly, since those early times. It really depends on your orientation and your view of history if you accept this as a valid claim. One assumes, in Dilbert's perspective and orientation, that even the idea of such a continuity is bogus, racist, and invalid. But this is not at all the case for many, and there is all sorts of shades of variation in how this view is framed. Again, this conflict places itself right at the very juncture of many vast and overarching questions, perceptions and views. There is no simple way to reduce it to the black and white.

"One of the famous proponents of bi-national solution was Martin Buber. I'm sure he was ignorant of Jewish history and religion, that must be why he's revered throughout the world. And he died in 1965."

This is using a Jew against Judaism, or against 'Israelism', or against Zionism. You take one person, with one perspective (the one you favor), and play it against a whole other sector of opinion. Yep, that proves it! Diebert I think also brought up Neturei Karta, but they are not spokesmen for the State of Israel nor for Jews. This is 'yellow' argumentation, and yet it is fitting for a whole style of attack against Israel. Again, it works best among those who are essentially ignorant of the hugeness of the issue, and for those who can only see the world in reduced terms, in black and white terms.

"It's not the claim that's the problem, it's how it's being exercised. Expulsion versus terrorism. Both parties have their fanatics."

Sure. But are you, Dilbert, genuinely and sincerely interested in contributing to a solution, or is your 'secret interest' more destructive? THAT is the question. And it is a question for the Left generally, and for the idealistic youth who make up the anti-imperialist movement. You have to go back to the core propositions to see what they are composed of, and to decide if they will be---can be---helpful in arriving at a solution. The issue is that many people's 'solution' is potentially destructive to Israel, and this Israel will not tolerate, obviously.

"That's only because Israel has decided way back who could remain citizen, denying the UN Right of Return to refugees while promoting the same Right of Return to anyone embracing their Jewish identity around the world."

Israel is certainly interesting in ensuring its existence, of that there should be no doubt. That is the bottom-line equation. The issue of Palestinian refugees is addressed in the web-page we are discussing, and it is a complex and manifold issue with direct bearing on the ability of Israel to survive as a state. A good-faith conversation would of course take this into consideration.

I again suggest watching the video I posted. It demonstrates, in visual terms, the breadth of this conflict and the implications. Here it is.
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Finally, it has now come time to reveal my true identity, though it may come as a shock to some or to many. First, here is a picture a neighbor took of me today, next to my home in South America. My real name is Weisenheimer Ezekiel ben Abraham Katzenellenbogen, and yes, as you see, I am in fact a Macaw, a Jewish Macaw, it is true---such noses don't just drop down from the sky---yet a Macaw nonetheless. In fact I have been 'owned' (I prefer to say I have cohabited sovereignly) with quite a number of famous and semi-famous literary figures of our age (all to be revealed), and from this apprenticeship comes my sharp-beaked wit, my bottomless psychological depths, and of course a never-ending stream of brilliant prose, all in tropical colors. I have decided to reveal myself, now, because I feel the next stages of my work here on GF can best be accomplished in my revealed state. If some here don't like Macaws---then so be it! I reveal myself nonetheless, openly, as a proud Member of the Flock.

[Diebert van Rhijn]

Alex,

Diebert does not like the whole notion of 'Jewishness', and anything that comes from it.

Only as pure religion, bro. Only when applied universally to human beings, no matter which ethnics or gender. In that way I understand, live and breath Judaism, Christianity and a whole lot of other opiates.

Everything---not just some things, but all things---that come from Judaism are 'hallucinations' and evidences of 'psychosis'.

Perhaps indeed, in your case, I start to see clearly how it works its way in your reading and writing. But in general the only psychosis happens when "all things from Judaism" are applied to a specific historical group or person. Nonsense of the highest order! And many esteemed Jews agree with me here!

It is a strange twist of fate that, like it or not, Jews are placed right in the center of a conflict that has such huge implications, but given their historical position in European culture---something, BTW, I assume that Diebert negates and cannot look at---it is 'fitting' in a way that this is so.

I could call this remark about "fitting" seriously antisemitic and even eugenic. It should be clear things do not fit at all and should be seriously reconsidered by all the thinkers living in Israel. Israel doesn't need to be in its current position and any claims this is God's way or some Jewish fate is self-defeating from the start. It's the same type of apocalyptic end-of-times thinking that haunts radical Christianity; self-fulfilling prophecies.

This is using a Jew against Judaism, or against 'Israelism', or against Zionism. You take one person, with one perspective (the one you favor), and play it against a whole other sector of opinion.

I was merely illustrating that the thought was not 'new', as the authors in the article claimed. It has been a vivid debate inside and outside the Jewish community since the start. These alternative viewpoints from Jews, religious as well secular ones cannot just be left out of the discussion as if they never happened. And I merely named one as it was enough to destroy the idea put out there by Dore Gold and Jeff Helmreich that it was a "new assault", it wasn't, and that it's "partly based on ignorance of Jewish history", which it isn't as people like Buber, Tony Judt, Dan Gavron, historian Ilan Papp and even Uri Avnery know the same or more about Jewish history and religion than these authors. This is why articles like this one show a sincere worrying about the direction the 'Left' might take.

Sure. But are you, Diebert, genuinely and sincerely interested in contributing to a solution, or is your 'secret interest' more destructive?

There's always something that has to go, has to give, to make room for the new. It's like this with everything. Often compromises and periods of transition are needed but at some point a breaking point is reached. This whole idea that a new solution would "destroy Israel" might be in itself wrong or not based on sincere inquiries. Eretz Yisrael should not be the ultimate goal: peace and reason should be. If they're not ultimately the same then perhaps a little soul searching is in order.

Of course I'm aware of "complexities" but there are times when it's important to get to the core of the issue and that might be simpler than most of the participants in the discussion are willing to admit. Here I even suspect a deliberate use of obscurity and complexity as a smoke-screen to hide behind. Sometimes it just works that way, y'know.

[Alex Jacob]

Diebert writes:

"Perhaps indeed, in your case, I start to see clearly how it works its way in your reading and writing."

Yeah!? Well anyway, I gotta joke for you. You got something against jokes?
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A lady approaches her rabbi and tells him, "Rabbi, I have a problem. I have two female talking Macaws, but they only know how to say one thing."

"What do they say?" the rabbi inquired.

"They only know how to say, 'Hi, we're prostitutes. Wanna have some fun?'"

"That's terrible!" the rabbi exclaimed, "but I have a solution to your problem. Bring your two female Macaws over to my house and I will put them with my two male talking Macaws whom I taught to pray and read Hebrew. My Macaws will teach your Macaws to stop saying that terrible phrase and your female Macaws will learn to praise and worship."

"Thank you!" the woman responded.

The next day the woman brings her female Macaws to the rabbi's house. His two male Macaws are wearing tiny yamulkes (skull caps) and praying in their cage. The lady puts her two female Macaws in with the male Macaws and the female Macaws say, "Hi, we're prostitutes, wanna have some fun?"

One male Macaw looks over at the other male Macaw and says reverentially, "Put away the siddurs! (prayer books) Our prayers have been answered!"