The distress of rape

[Philosophaster]

But in a hopefully sensible venue such as this point out that the distress [of rape] is mostly caused by [the woman] enjoying it and that being in stark contrast to how society portrays she should feel about it. A common saying in women's help groups for rape victims is "It's okay if you enjoyed it".

Insane.

[vicdan]

Wow. I missed that one... Yeah, insane indeed.

The women claim to be traumatized by rape because those sluts liked it... Incredible. It takes a true idiot to say this.

here is a comparison:

Suppose you like chocolate (or pick something else you enjoy). Now imagine someone assaults you, roughs you up, ties you up, and forcibly feeds you chocolate at knife-point. Do you think the fact that you enjoy the taste of chocolate, and even may have found the taste itself pleasant in this situation, has anything to do with the fact that you have been assaulted and had your rights and freedom violated?!.

[vicdan]

If anything, having enjoyed the physical sensation makes it worse, because then you are betrayed by your own body. This is in fact exactly what happens in torture -- the torturer uses the victim's common human weaknesses of mind and body to as tools against the victim, in effect forcing them victim to betray themselves, breaking them from within. It's a monstrous tool of power, to turn the victim's facilities, physical and mental, against their own will. That's the very essence of why torture is inhumane -- because, in forcing the person to betray themselves, it corrupts the very core of human dignity.

Torture is far more than mere infliction of pain; and the reason why it's far worse, the corruption of human dignity, is the same reason that makes having 'enjoyed' the physical sensation of penetration during rape, exacerbating rather than mitigating of that experience.

[skipair]

This is where sexuality in men and women are at polar extremes. For a man to have his freedom taken away by another can be infuriating. This is why I push the point for guys to see how women do this to them daily - in fact, non-stop. There is self-dissapointment and even disgraceful feelings that they could even let that happen. It's a powerful emotion to set the stage to never let it happen again. The thought of being controlled by another, especially a woman, is disgusting.

In regards to sexuality, for a woman it is almost the exact opposite. The being tied up and forcing chocolate example misses the point, because it is the very act of being tied up and having that freedom taken away that polorizes her sexuality and what it means to be a woman. In no way am I saying that it's a good idea to go around raping women. But consider this, when horny and in the bedroom, a woman more or less wants to be raped. Her dilemma is this combines poorly with society, and when safe, 'rape' cannot happen. But for anyone who has ever been in a highly charged sexual relationship (could be a few of you, maybe), you know that during the act there is sometimes very little distinction between rape and consensual sex. It is a total power exchange.

[vicdan]

Holy shit... I guess Rhett is not the only evil moronic asshole around here.

I imagine you agree with Quinn on the nature of the skirt, too.

P.S. Your assumption that women are all about submission aside, it seems that the difference between voluntary power exchange and involuntary power exchange escaped you. If you are too dumb to get it on your own, consider the difference between giving to charity and being mugged.

[Shahrazad]

The idea is indeed insane, but would you really expect better from the living being who wrote it?

I have met many women who have been raped. I myself have been a victim of rape. What I have never met is a woman who enjoyed being raped. It just doesn't happen, folks. Nothing is more humiliating for a woman than being raped. It is sheer torture.

For those of you who don't know it, there's a huge difference between kinky sex and rape.

Perhaps because some men are so undiscriminating about who they fuck, and would perhaps welcome being fucked by any female, even non-human ones, they imagine that females must enjoy rape.

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[skipair]

it seems that the difference between voluntary power exchange and involuntary power exchange escaped you.

That's an assumption you've made. If you read my post more closely you'll see that I've drawn parallels. Also, lets try to be a big boy and use appropriate language like everyone else. Do you think you can do that?

[vicdan]

Perhaps because some men are so undiscriminating about who they fuck, and would perhaps welcome being fucked by any female, even non-human ones, they imagine that females must enjoy rape.

I don't think this is projection. I think, rather, that this is a way for many weak men to make themselves feel better by putting down women collectively, by imagining all women to be sluts begging for sex, powerless and liking it, wanting to be overpowered and made to submit.

It's a way for such losers to claim superiority and to compensate for their own weakness and shame, I imagine.

Conversely of course for many women, imagining men to be creatures devoid of will, led around by their dicks, is a similar mechanism; except that it doesn't entail claiming that men enjoy being violated.

[vicdan]

it seems that the difference between voluntary power exchange and involuntary power exchange escaped you.

That's an assumption you've made.

it's an assumption justified by what you wrote -- you compared woman wanting to submit (a wholly unjustified assumption in its own right, but let's run with it) to being raped; clearly you missed the difference between voluntary and involuntary power exchange. You had written:

the very act of being tied up and having that freedom taken away [is] what it means to be a woman. ... when horny and in the bedroom, a woman more or less wants to be raped.

If you read my post more closely you'll see that I've drawn parallels.

yes, between voluntary submission and rape. My point exactly.

Also, lets try to be a big boy and use appropriate language like everyone else.

You feel free to do whatever you want 'like everyone else', kiddo. :D Though i would recommend you start with thinking.

[Ryan Rudolph]

Women are only into rape as long as it is a fantasy, and it is implanted into her mind by a man that she fancies physically/emotionally. She will entertain the idea consensually if it is a man that pleases her by pushing all her buttons. Because lets face it, it is in her psychology to enjoy being overpowered, excited by violence, and taken advantage of, but only with a man she initially approves of.

She basically judges him unconsciously like this, “okay, he meets all my psychological requirements, so I’ll let him act out whatever he wants within reason” However, most women do have enough integrity to not allow a man to act out his deepest unconscious sexual fantasies, which are actually quite demeaning and outright hateful towards the feminine…

This is why the knowledge that skipair shares is so dangerous, humans (women) are like robots, you can learn to push their buttons, and you can get the same response every time without fail. You can easily excite their animal brain in such an intense way, to make them do whatever you want and have them completely crazy over you. In essence, it is the highest form of ego-power fantasy…

For instance: I used some of this knowledge on a chat site just as a scientific experiment, and It is interesting how easily women are excited into sexual thought, they can be blindly dragged along like fish on a lure, and how quickly they totally fall in love with you, it is quite insane really. And the interesting part is that women are only capable of falling in love romantically with the part of ‘man’ that is bad, she is incapable of feeling love for a logical man. As soon as one starts talking coldly without emotion, she immediately becomes uninterested in him.

So Skipair’s knowledge is definitely power, but the wrong type…lol….its not power you should use…

[skipair]

you compared woman wanting to submit (a wholly unjustified assumption in its own right, but let's run with it) to being raped

Yes, exactly. Comparing a woman wanting to submit (voluntary power exchange), to being raped (involuntary power exchange).

[vicdan]

women are only capable of falling in love romantically with the part of ‘man’ that is bad, she is incapable of feeling love for a logical man. As soon as one starts talking coldly without emotion, she immediately becomes uninterested in him.

It's interesting how you draw a bifurcated distinction between being 'bad' and being coldly emotionless and logical. I guess in your deluded world, a man cannot be emotional without being a 'bad boy' -- men are either emotional rampaging beasts or emotionless sages.

This is interesting. This is the first time i have seen some moron apply a variant of the madonna/whore dichotomy to men.

You kids are slaves of your delusions.

By the way, why would your stupid ass expect women to 'feeling love' for an emotionless, stunted man? Being emotionless doesn't make you rational, it just makes you incomplete and broken. it just shows that you are afraid of your emotions while simultaneously wanting them, wanting to be loved -- a case of self-loathing if i ever saw one; and you use the classic 'look at those sluts!' coping mechanism, too.

[vicdan]

you compared woman wanting to submit (a wholly unjustified assumption in its own right, but let's run with it) to being raped

Yes, exactly. Comparing a woman wanting to submit (voluntary power exchange), to being raped (involuntary power exchange).

Comparing them -- and assuming equivalence between the two. You equate 'wanting to be raped' with 'wanting to submit', which was exactly my point. You are an idiot.

It's like you missed the distinction between giving to charity and being mugged.

[Ryan Rudolph]

Victor,

It's interesting how you draw a bifurcated distinction between being 'bad' and being coldly emotionless and logical. I guess in your deluded world, a man cannot be emotional without being a 'bad boy' -- men are either emotional rampaging beasts or emotionless sages.

What I’m saying is that women are only be aroused by the animal brain in men, they need to be taken on an emotional roller collaster. They need to feel like both ‘a sweetheart’ and ‘a used tramp being taken advantage of’. They need to feel both the positive highs and the negative lows, all her romantic notions of love depend on this dichotomy. And my point is that the mind of a sage grows bored of the whole pattern - the entire dualistic cycle of thought/emotion, and he feels it is a compromise to both his and her integrity. In essence, he is playing a trick on her mind as a means to get sex.

Most human beings are like robots with the animal brain on autopilot…and a conscious being can go in there and start pushing buttons as a means to take control of the flight path, but it is rather dishonest, and has huge karmic consequences that should be considered...

[skipair]

you compared woman wanting to submit (a wholly unjustified assumption in its own right, but let's run with it) to being raped

Yes, exactly. Comparing a woman wanting to submit (voluntary power exchange), to being raped (involuntary power exchange).

Comparing them -- and assuming equivalence between the two. You equate 'wanting to be raped' with 'wanting to submit', which was exactly my point.

Right, you assume that I meant equivalence in my comparison, I don't. I do mean they draw a number of similar parallels. Unfortunately for whatever sex life you've had, you haven't learned that girls like NASTY. End of discussion.

[vicdan]

What I’m saying is that women are only be aroused by the animal brain in men,

Perhaps the problem is not with women, but with the women you seek and with how you interpret their behavior (ever heard of 'selection bias'?) Have you considered that it's not women who are a problem, but you?

My wife very much appreciates both my rational side, and my emotional 'nice guy' side. I have never done the 'bad boy' thing in my life. Blame yourself, not women.

Now people do often interpret danger as enhancing sexual arousal, because anxiety and sexual arousal share some circuitry in the brain. A famous experiment about it is that interview subjects being interviewed on a swaying bridge rated their interviewer as much more sexually attractive than those who were interviewed on solid ground. However, this applies to both men and women. That many women like 'bad boys' is the same phenomenon as many men liking 'femme fatale' types -- danger is exciting. This is not a woman thing, idiot, but a human thing.

And my point is that the mind of a sage grows bored of the whole pattern - the entire dualistic cycle of thought/emotion, and he feels it is a compromise to both his and her integrity. In essence, he is playing a trick on her mind as a means to get sex.

in short, you are a stunted idiot, but you blame everyone else for it. Gotcha.

[vicdan]

Right, you assume that I meant equivalence in my comparison, I don't.

hahaha. Then perhaps you should take a composition class.

I do mean they draw a number of similar parallels.

No, you said outright that a horny woman 'more or less wants to be raped '.

Unfortunately for whatever sex life you've had, you haven't learned that girls like NASTY. End of discussion.

You bloody idiot, what you haven't learned is that women are human, and like all sorts of different things. In your case, it's obvious that your perception of women has been filtered through the lens of your insecurity, misogyny, and probably self-loathing.

[Greg Shantz]

"[W]omen want to be raped by rich, muscular, handsome doctors ..." -Dave Sim, Tangent

[Philosophaster]

Dave Sim

LOL.

[Imadrongo]

I think women want to submit to hot, wealthy, competent, desirable men. Perhaps some would like to raped, but definitely not by old, fat, ugly guys.

And everyone cannot get what they want. Perhaps the old ugly guy wants to rape her, and she doesn't want it. I guess there will be a struggle and the winner gets what they want, whether you want to call it "inhumane" or "bad" or whatever. God does not smite thee rapists.

[Unidian]

Yeah, I dug Rhett's gem up yesterday and posted it elsewhere as an example of why I can never manage to post here for very long before taking a few days off. That kind of thing is just nuts, and yes, it is evil.

[Unidian]

And BTW, anyone who thinks a "sage" goes around rationalizing rape has totally left all semblance of Zen, Taoism, and Buddhism behind and should have their mouths washed out if they refer to those traditions. Don't borrow the credibility of Eastern philosophy to support this stuff. It's even worse than the "Christians" who use their "faith" to support war and greed.

[Imadrongo]

Yeah, I dug Rhett's gem up yesterday and posted it elsewhere as an example of why I can never manage to post here for very long before taking a few days off. That kind of thing is just nuts, and yes, it is evil.

...Beyond Good and Evil....

And BTW, anyone who thinks a "sage" goes around rationalizing rape has totally left all semblance of Zen, Taoism, and Buddhism behind and should have their mouths washed out if they refer to those traditions. Don't borrow the credibility of Eastern philosophy to support this stuff. It's even worse than the "Christians" who use their "faith" to support war and greed.

A sage is only slightly better than a Christian, so whatever.

[Jamesh]

Unfortunately for whatever sex life you've had, you haven't learned that girls like NASTY

I don't have much sexual experience in the last decade, but I think they learn this "liking nasty" behaviour from men they've slept with, or from porn videos. It is normally only women who have slept around a lot who don't mind that sort of sex, or if they have not slept around have been with someone who was rough during sex. Sometimes also they use it to relieve mental pain of past bad sexual experience like rape or incest or whatever - in actualising out the experience they become accustomed to it and it temporarily affects them less.

Other women just have more masculinised brains than other females and prefer the dominant role.

IMO, a good majority of women though have no interest in rough sex at all, except maybe a quickie that is a just little rougher than normal. They also might sometimes rough it up a little to get the adrenaline going if they are not that attracted to whom they having sex with. They do need to feel their man is masculine (of which male roughness is the simplest demonstration of same), so they play act a bit so that the whole sexual scene makes it appear as if their partner is more masculine.

I could be wrong, but I'm certain there would be far more women nowadays who expect and desire sex to be a rough and tumble affair - its what they see on the movies and in porn. I see this change as being less related to an intrinsic desire for roughness, than learnt behaviour.

[Katy]

Unfortunately for whatever sex life you've had, you haven't learned that girls like NASTY. End of discussion.

maybe the fact that you think all women like rough sex and the study Vic showed about women on the bridge/danger making people more attractive are linked? Women need danger to make you even vaguely attractive?