Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:13 am
Okay Nordi, more reply...
re: "misogyny" - to me, it seems a bit more than chauvinism because chauvinism would end at just the statements of superiority of men. It is the specific pointing to undesirable behavior and linking it to women that makes it look like more than chauvinism.
I read the Prizzy link, and that looked like good work which was not misogynistic. She pointed out that men can act like that too, but that she was generalizing about women because that is what gender she worked with. Her description of the family terrorist actually described my mother quite well, although the "if you leave me, I'll kill myself" I've seen and heard of more often from males. I read the linked excepts from The Manipulated Man, but not the whole book. I agree that it is unfair to only send men into battle zones (although I think that is changing now),agree the draft is unfair, but I don't see any evidence of what she was talking about where female retirement age is earlier (I checked the US social security website - it may be different in some other country), and do agree that for men who want children - the reproductive options are more of a challenge (but it seems that most non-hispanic men don't want children anyway). As for why they get death threats, it seems to me that the people who make death threats tend to not be particularly intelligent, especially in the areas of social intelligence.
Rule of thumb - well, part of communication is to help sort out what one thought was true from what wasn't - but according to this, the origins of it meaning the size of a stick to beat one's wife with was from a satirical cartoonist by the name of James Gillray - although the spreading of the misconception can be traced to the feminists.
Regarding abuse of the giver who has nothing left to give - I didn't mean just physical abuse from the taker, I meant verbal abuse - although I suppose physical abuse can happen too.
As for the "sex for stuff" system you were talking about and the "spending $200 for an evening out and only getting a kiss" - well that's just thinking of her as a prostitute. If he wants to go somewhere and wants to take her with him, that's what he's paying for. If a guy is being real and he just wants time with her over dinner, he could just make dinner himself and have her over, or go out to the beach, go horseback riding, canoeing - whatever it is he really wants to do. If he's just calculating what's most likely to get him laid, that's treating her like a thing for his use rather than treating her like a person.
Regarding circumsicion, you might be interested in a previous thread on that.
Here are your suicide statistics. Females attempt suicide more often, but males succeed at it more often. This link also mentions that the increase may be a statistical correction as previously suicides may have been listed as accidents. Another possible reason that males may have a higher "suicide" rate is from auto erotica asphyxiation. This is an activity that is almost exclusively done by males, and for reasons listed on the link, often get classified as suicide. The almost exclusively male willingness to risk his life for a particular type of masterbation does not support your contention that males are killing themselves because they have it rougher than females, nor does any of this support your claim that women do not feel as much pain as men do.
In fact that ranks absolute top on my assessment of what is BS. No one can know how much pain another is in without being inside that person's head. And whether or not someone attempts suicide or commits suicide is not a direct reflection of pain, either. A person could be in hellacious pain for decades and have the strength to never show it, and have some reason to continue life. Trying to say that if females really did feel pain like a man feels pain then more would commit suicide has to be the most idiotic attempt at correlation I have ever seen.
This is getting tedious. I've gone through a lot of points, and I have said that things are unfair for both sides - and shown this repeatedly. You are insisting on playing the role of the poor put-upon male - ah, I'll finish this paragraph in the response under your thread in Worldly Matters.
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re: "misogyny" - to me, it seems a bit more than chauvinism because chauvinism would end at just the statements of superiority of men. It is the specific pointing to undesirable behavior and linking it to women that makes it look like more than chauvinism.
I read the Prizzy link, and that looked like good work which was not misogynistic. She pointed out that men can act like that too, but that she was generalizing about women because that is what gender she worked with. Her description of the family terrorist actually described my mother quite well, although the "if you leave me, I'll kill myself" I've seen and heard of more often from males. I read the linked excepts from The Manipulated Man, but not the whole book. I agree that it is unfair to only send men into battle zones (although I think that is changing now),agree the draft is unfair, but I don't see any evidence of what she was talking about where female retirement age is earlier (I checked the US social security website - it may be different in some other country), and do agree that for men who want children - the reproductive options are more of a challenge (but it seems that most non-hispanic men don't want children anyway). As for why they get death threats, it seems to me that the people who make death threats tend to not be particularly intelligent, especially in the areas of social intelligence.
Rule of thumb - well, part of communication is to help sort out what one thought was true from what wasn't - but according to this, the origins of it meaning the size of a stick to beat one's wife with was from a satirical cartoonist by the name of James Gillray - although the spreading of the misconception can be traced to the feminists.
Regarding abuse of the giver who has nothing left to give - I didn't mean just physical abuse from the taker, I meant verbal abuse - although I suppose physical abuse can happen too.
As for the "sex for stuff" system you were talking about and the "spending $200 for an evening out and only getting a kiss" - well that's just thinking of her as a prostitute. If he wants to go somewhere and wants to take her with him, that's what he's paying for. If a guy is being real and he just wants time with her over dinner, he could just make dinner himself and have her over, or go out to the beach, go horseback riding, canoeing - whatever it is he really wants to do. If he's just calculating what's most likely to get him laid, that's treating her like a thing for his use rather than treating her like a person.
Regarding circumsicion, you might be interested in a previous thread on that.
Here are your suicide statistics. Females attempt suicide more often, but males succeed at it more often. This link also mentions that the increase may be a statistical correction as previously suicides may have been listed as accidents. Another possible reason that males may have a higher "suicide" rate is from auto erotica asphyxiation. This is an activity that is almost exclusively done by males, and for reasons listed on the link, often get classified as suicide. The almost exclusively male willingness to risk his life for a particular type of masterbation does not support your contention that males are killing themselves because they have it rougher than females, nor does any of this support your claim that women do not feel as much pain as men do.
In fact that ranks absolute top on my assessment of what is BS. No one can know how much pain another is in without being inside that person's head. And whether or not someone attempts suicide or commits suicide is not a direct reflection of pain, either. A person could be in hellacious pain for decades and have the strength to never show it, and have some reason to continue life. Trying to say that if females really did feel pain like a man feels pain then more would commit suicide has to be the most idiotic attempt at correlation I have ever seen.
This is getting tedious. I've gone through a lot of points, and I have said that things are unfair for both sides - and shown this repeatedly. You are insisting on playing the role of the poor put-upon male - ah, I'll finish this paragraph in the response under your thread in Worldly Matters.
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