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Post by R. Steven Coyle » Mon May 29, 2006 9:23 am

Yeah, a lot of rap is pretty mindless. But hip-hop is highly intelligent wordplay -- intricate metaphor, etc.

I fancy myself a guitar player, so I dig Hendrix, Floyd, The Beatles, Cream, Stevie Ray Vaughn. Hell, I'm even saving up for an ol' Hi-Fi.

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Post by Cato » Mon May 29, 2006 9:52 am

Stevie Ray died not an hour from where I lived at the time! What anguish. He had just cleaned up and was playing better than ever!

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Post by R. Steven Coyle » Mon May 29, 2006 10:15 am

Man, and just like Hendrix before him, he knew he was about to leave. All part of the story . . .

Where did he die?

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Post by Cato » Mon May 29, 2006 10:36 am

Near the border of Ill and Wisconsin, just north of Chicago.(Vaughn that is -- Hendrix was in Paris, if I remember right)

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Post by MKFaizi » Mon May 29, 2006 12:33 pm

I have a dog named Cato. What is the significance of that name to you?

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Post by MKFaizi » Mon May 29, 2006 12:34 pm

Hendrix died in London. Jim Morrison died in Paris.

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Post by Cato » Mon May 29, 2006 12:47 pm

Ah, that is right. I knew I should have googled that bit before I spouted off! It seemed like I was remembering it incorrectly. Ah, well.

Cato does not mean your dog to me that is for sure.

Not the Green Hornet's side kick either.

It does mean the Roman leader, but only secondarily.

It has a direct connection to the Founding Fathers of the US, but not one most people know or understand. It is that connection that gives me rise to utilize it. I almost called myself Joseph Addison but that sounds too much like a real name ... most likely because it is a real name. And it is that connection to Cato which I memorialize.

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Post by MKFaizi » Tue May 30, 2006 11:54 am

Joseph Addison wrote a play called Cato. Got it. Why is that significant to you?

My daughter named the dog Cato. I thnk it was in honor of the dude who accompanied OJ Simpson on his slow speed chase.

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Post by MKFaizi » Tue May 30, 2006 12:00 pm

Wrong. Kato Kaelin was just a bum who lived in the Simpson's guest house.

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Post by Cato » Tue May 30, 2006 12:08 pm

Joseph Addison wrote a play called Cato. Got it. Why is that significant to you?
This play was quite emblematic of many of the passions and ideals of the Founders. The romanticism that the Founders felt is contained in the play. It was very, very popular with George Washington.

It was either that or call myself "Plutarch's Lives", but that seemed unwieldily!
;)

And, as to the person that was in the car with OJ Simpson, I think he was a football player named Al Cowlings.

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Post by MKFaizi » Tue May 30, 2006 12:17 pm

Interesting. I have been reading a biography of George Washington. Good warrior with some lofty standards.

I think he would be appalled by the US now. He could have been King but he deferred in favor of the three branches of government in order to insure checks and balances.

So much for that idea

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Post by MKFaizi » Tue May 30, 2006 12:30 pm

I now recall reading Addison in high school.

He is known as an influence on David Hume.

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Post by Cato » Tue May 30, 2006 12:41 pm

I think he would be appalled by the US now.
Yes, I agree. He would have despised leftists and would have been sick to his stomach over our loose morals and public behavior.

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Post by MKFaizi » Tue May 30, 2006 1:48 pm

Given that Washington would be living in modern times, he would be more appalled by US aggressiveness and bestowing of power to the executive wing of government than he would be by the loose morals. The eighteenth century was full of loose morals.

Washington was a man who practiced emotional restraint. I think he would be appalled by a US president who said such things as, "Bring it on" or "Wanted Dead or Alive."

What left?

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Post by Shardrol » Wed May 31, 2006 1:14 am

Yeah but what would Washington have thought of the Beatles?

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Post by Cato » Wed May 31, 2006 5:05 am

Yeah but what would Washington have thought of the Beatles?
He would have REALLY hated the Beatles!

All that yelling and waving around their heads. No self-control, such loudness in public!

;)

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Post by Tomas » Wed May 31, 2006 10:07 am

George Wasington would have had Ringo on drums when marching into battle. After all, Ringo spends a great deal of time in the USA. Even looks like a would-be turncoat :-) Dark shades, scruffy beard, jeans, beatle-boots. [With A Little Help From My Friends]

Ben Franklin would have gravitated towards all of them as he enjoyed the nightlife -- probably would have dropped LSD with the lot of them, spiked some kool-aid and presto-chango ... electric avenue.

Imagine John Lennon and Ben, on acid - flying kites. With a long tail for the "tracer" effect! [Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite!]

George Harrison and Thomas Jefferson would have gotten along mighty fine as they were the farmer-types. They would eat a lot of magic mushrooms, perhaps a peyote button or two for the morning-after kicker. Grown hemp and made their own line of threads (thats "clothing" for all you squares out there). [Old Brown Shoe]

Sir Paul????? Looks a bit too sneaky to get along with any of the founders - thin moustache, squinty eyes, a classic sellout!! Put him in with Aaron Burr. [The Fool On The Hill] playing the fife in the battle march corps.

No, George Washington & Company would have gotten along well with the moptops from Liverpool. Working class heroes. The lot of them.


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Post by MKFaizi » Wed May 31, 2006 12:02 pm

Tomas wrote:
Imagine John Lennon and Ben, on acid - flying kites. With a long tail for the "tracer" effect! [Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite!]
I can see that happening.

George Washington lived in a time of outward constraint. Lots of undercover action, if you get my drift. You did it. You did not talk about it.

My own grandmother who was the daughter of a Confederate soldier once told me, "There was just as much going on in my day as there is now. We just kept it private."

That's the ticket. Privacy. Not much of that these days.

Once, my grandmother told me about meeting a grand-niece who was wearing a mini-skirt. In my grandmother's day, it was scandalous for a man to see a woman's ankle.

My grandmother said, "She sat in that chair and you could count every hair on Possible."

Great observer, my grandma. I reckon she did count every hair. The girl must have spread Possible wide with no underwear.

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Post by Cato » Wed May 31, 2006 3:46 pm

My own grandmother who was the daughter of a Confederate soldier once told me, "There was just as much going on in my day as there is now. We just kept it private."
Exactly why Washington would have hated them. Nothing was ever "private". it was all right in your face and out in the open. No self-control, no restraint in public.

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Post by MKFaizi » Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:59 am

Agreed, I reckon.

There is such thing as too much constraint and there is such thing as complete lack of restraint.

In real life, I am stoic or constrained; very private. My facade is my facade, not to be penetrated. No one knows me. I don't let my guard down.

But I have regard for those who do lack restraint. The idea is not very popular in the US now but I do believe in freedom of speech and expression.

I think George Washington might have found the Beatles or whoever kind of annoying but I do think he would have advocated for the freedom of artistic or musical expression.

He fought a war for expression of freedom -- the pursuit of happiness. He could have been King but he insisted on a government without a King.

I think he had enough sense to realize the fire he was putting to the grenade. It was an explosion that has not yet died out. It lives through repressive governments; through idiocy. It killed slavery and it brought forth equal rights for females and for African Americans and the Irish and the Italians and the Mexicans and the you name it.

The US is not perfect by a long shot. I often think it is a nation of assholes.

But I would rather be part of a nation of a trillion assholes than to be a nation of one asshole or a couple of assholes. I would rather live by asshole rule than to live by King Asshole rule.

The next US presidential election will produce someone presidential. Tall order, I realize but I think it will happen and I am not thinking Hillary. The presidency is not hers for the asking.

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Post by Cato » Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:27 am

I think it will happen and I am not thinking Hillary. The presidency is not hers for the asking.
I have a feeling you could be right, though our history has been quite unpredictible wherre it concerns who becomes the president. If you go back through time and see who everyone thought would become president, then contrast that with who actually became president, you will find that no one even dreamed that a good portion of them would have become president!

Many of our presidents were not settled too far ahead of time as a "shoo" in. Lincoln was the last person on anyone's radar screen before he got elected. Same with Polk, Pierce, Carter, Clinton and a whole host of others.

To tell the truth, I have no idea whatsoever who might take the top seat at this time as no one seems a viable, obvious front runner.

And, even the leftists are getting sick and tired of Hitlery!

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Post by R. Steven Coyle » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:57 am

George Harrison: Any Road

Oh I've been traveling on a boat and a plane
In a car on a bike with a bus and a train
Traveling there and traveling here
Everywhere in every gear

But oh Lord we pay the price with a
Spin of a wheel - with a roll of a dice
Ah yeah you pay your fare
And if you don't know where you're going
Any road will take you there

And I've been traveling through the dirt and the grime
From the past to the future through the space and the time
Traveling deep beneath the waves - in
watery grottoes and mountainous caves

But oh Lord we've got to fight
With the thoughts in the head with the dark and the light
No use to stop and stare
And if you don't know where you're going
Any road will take you there

You may not known where you came from
May not know who you are
May not have even wondered how
you got this far

I've been traveling on a wing and a prayer
By the skin of my teeth by the breath of a hair
Traveling where the four winds blow
With the sun on my face - in the ice
and the snow

But oooeeee it's a game
Sometimes you're cool, sometimes you're lame
Ah yeah it's somewhere
And if you don't know where you're going
Any road will take you there

But oh Lord we pay the price
With the spin of the wheel with the roll of the dice
Ah yeah, you pay your fare
And if you don't know where you're going
Any road will take you there

I keep traveling around the bend
There was no beginning, there is no end
It wasn't born and never dies
There are no edges, there is no size
Oh yeah, you just don't win
It's so far out - the way out is in
Bow to God and call him Sir
But if you don't know where you're going
Any road will take you there

But if you don't know where you're going
Any road will take you there

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Post by MKFaizi » Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:57 am

Hillary is the supposed great one because she has so much money in her coffers. But I don't think she's ready by a long shot. She would have been a better candidate if she divorced Bill but that ain't going to happen. She's a clinger, been that way since day one, I guarantee.

I think Mark Warner may emerge as a serious contender.

I have no objection to a female president but I don't think Hillary is the one. Too feminine. Too submissive.

She's no Margaret Thatcher or Golda Meir. Not even an Indira Ghandhi.

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Post by Tomas » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:05 pm

The Grateful Dead were another band that kicked out the jams.


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Post by MKFaizi » Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:18 pm

But Jerry Garcia is dead.

On the lighter side, Buster drove me to wherever today. He is not a bad driver for a sixteen year old kid. But, given a choice, I would not drive with him.

Anyway, the Dead came on the radio. "Truckin'" Decent song even if I never particularly cared for the Dead.

So he said, "Next year, I think I will do that for Battle of the Bands."

"By yourself?"

"No, I will need bass and drums."

"Buster, you know you can't count on anyone. You better figure out a way to do it by yourself."

I think he can do it.

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