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Post by sue hindmarsh » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:05 pm

Scott wrote:
I'm sure some wise ass will read this and want to type out something about me being attached to relationships with people, or something. That it's not wise. I'll admit, it's based out of an emotion...but at least it's honest and not a denial of who I am. In that, it's closer to wisdom than something contrived.
You are closer to something – but it has nothing to do with wisdom. Openly and honestly admitting that your actions are emotional is fine. But you go on to say that you consider that this outpouring is “closer to wisdom” – just because you admit it. If admitting your feelings is being on the verge of enlightenment then 99.999% of people are nearly enlightened. And maybe Scott, you actually believe that to be the case, but to anyone with a brain, it just isn’t true.

Wanting something to be true isn’t the same as working out what is true. Moving away from trusting in your emotions to trusting in your mind is a big step – but it needs to be done before you can even begin to look at philosophy.

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Post by sschaula » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:29 pm

Sue,
You are closer to something – but it has nothing to do with wisdom. Openly and honestly admitting that your actions are emotional is fine.
I said it's closer than something contrived. Like pretending to be philosophical, when you're hiding everything that would naturally come out "inside" of you.

Not saying that you've done this...just that it seems to be the case with most people. It has definitely been the case with me.
But you go on to say that you consider that this outpouring is “closer to wisdom” – just because you admit it. If admitting your feelings is being on the verge of enlightenment then 99.999% of people are nearly enlightened.
Admitting something, like in confession to a priest...or by me talking on this board...is not the same thing as admitting something to yourself. Looking at things clearly.

No one here has fully done this. I'd say that 0% of all people have done this.

Be sure you know what I'm talking about.
And maybe Scott, you actually believe that to be the case, but to anyone with a brain, it just isn’t true.
That being honest is a fundamental step towards wisdom? If someone with a brain doesn't think that's true...
Wanting something to be true isn’t the same as working out what is true.
Duh.
Moving away from trusting in your emotions to trusting in your mind is a big step – but it needs to be done before you can even begin to look at philosophy.
Then I doubt anyone should be here talking about philosophy, since none of us are perfect. Including yourself, Sue.

"Don't try to take the sliver out of your brothers eye when you have a plank in your own." Or however it goes...
- Scott

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Post by sue hindmarsh » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:33 pm

Scott wrote:
Sue: You are closer to something – but it has nothing to do with wisdom. Openly and honestly admitting that your actions are emotional is fine.
I said it's closer than something contrived. Like pretending to be philosophical, when you're hiding everything that would naturally come out "inside" of you.

Not saying that you've done this...just that it seems to be the case with most people. It has definitely been the case with me.
Like I said Scott, admitting your emotions is fine, but using them to hide your lack of philosophical understanding isn’t. First work out what the Truth is; then use that Truth to judge everything by.
Sue: But you go on to say that you consider that this outpouring is “closer to wisdom” – just because you admit it. If admitting your feelings is being on the verge of enlightenment then 99.999% of people are nearly enlightened.
Admitting something, like in confession to a priest...or by me talking on this board...is not the same thing as admitting something to yourself. Looking at things clearly.

No one here has fully done this. I'd say that 0% of all people have done this.

Be sure you know what I'm talking about.
Everyone has attachments: some better than others. To develop philosophically, you need to understand which attachments will best serve you on this path. The only way to discern which attachments are useful, and which are not, is if you already have a pretty good understanding of what the Truth is. So, once again, know the Truth first - then act from that knowledge.
Sue: And maybe Scott, you actually believe that to be the case, but to anyone with a brain, it just isn’t true.
That being honest is a fundamental step towards wisdom? If someone with a brain doesn't think that's true...
Honesty, in the worldly sense, is totally dishonest since most people haven’t a clue as to why they do the things the do, or why they feel the way they feel – they just get shoved along by their emotions. So someone will say they love, hate, treasure, appreciate, respect, despair over, or mistrust someone – but it is all meaningless babble unless you understand where those emotions arise from and what purpose they serve.
Sue: Wanting something to be true isn’t the same as working out what is true.
Duh.
You say “Duh”, but that doesn’t change your ignorance of this point. If you did understand, you wouldn’t make the mistake of trusting your emotions.
Sue: Moving away from trusting in your emotions to trusting in your mind is a big step – but it needs to be done before you can even begin to look at philosophy.
Then I doubt anyone should be here talking about philosophy, since none of us are perfect. Including yourself, Sue.
Trudging out the old “none of us are perfect” scenario at this late stage isn’t going to work. You have to choose between your attachment to the emotional chaos you now exist in and a life of Truth – you can’t have both.
"Don't try to take the sliver out of your brothers eye when you have a plank in your own." Or however it goes...
First work out what the Truth is – afterwards you can get into ophthalmology.

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Post by Tharan » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:57 pm

Emotions are not universally wrong. Just unreliable. In terms of survival and instinct, they are actually more in tune than an enlightened understanding of the Totality, unless that understanding includes the vicissitudes of local flora and fauna in a particular timeframe in a particular place.

Admitting an emotional POV is certainly better than not. And from a functional perspective, the instinctual response emotions are a good tool to use, even for the enlightened. As long as they are tool and not a guiding light.

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Post by sue hindmarsh » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:27 pm

Tharan,

I'm sure that if you can understand the Nature of Reality, you can very easily learn about the nature that surrounds you.

Emotions are useful if used wisely - and the only people who do that, are the wise. For their aim is to use the emotions to completely rid themselves of them.

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Post by sschaula » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:09 pm

Sue,
First work out what the Truth is; then use that Truth to judge everything by.
Been there done that.
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Post by Dan Rowden » Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:50 am

Regarding the profiles pages - whilst pics are welcome they are not necessary. I can understand that there may be cirumstances in which a person doesn't want to be identifiable in that way. I can always employ an avatar or somesuch in a symbolic fashion.

Those slightly revamped pages are here: Member Profiles

If anyone wishes to participate they can email me.

danrowden@optusnet.com.au

Dan Rowden

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