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Post by Kelly Jones » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:36 pm

I think it's time to update the old profiles from the Genius-List at http://members.optusnet.com.au/~danrowden/profiles.htm. Not to replace them however.

The aim in doing so is to present real people, as one sees so few individuals living in the mob. It'd also deconstruct the myth that traits of genius and femininity co-exist comfortably.

If anyone is willing to write a short autobiographical sketch and publish it in the Genius Forum, with photos, then I'll put the pages together. I think the simple, factual style of the Genius-List bios is fine. And the lengths also. Photos should be fairly recent, and resized to 300x400 pixels, if you have the software.

My email is kellyjones@imap.cc.

I trust this is ok with the forum owners?

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Post by Dan Rowden » Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:43 pm

I basically lost interest in updating the profile pages because we had a sudden purge with people wanting theirs taken down and no new takers. I'm happy to update those pages and include bios of Genius Forum posters who are willing to be in some sense associated with us (because that's how it will look). It will give me a reason to re-work those pages. However, if Kelly wishes to organise some distinct venture of her own with respect to Forum posters, that is entirely her prerogative. I have no objection to the idea other than to suggest that having all such profiles in the one place would make more sense.


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Post by Kevin Solway » Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:39 pm

There is of course a place in the personal profile where you can enter a web page. And these can be accessed via the "Memberlist" link at the top of the page.

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Post by Kelly Jones » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:28 pm

drowden wrote:I basically lost interest in updating the profile pages because we had a sudden purge with people wanting theirs taken down and no new takers.
Does updating include putting in recent photos and biographical info, of the current list of people?

I'm happy to update those pages and include bios of Genius Forum posters who are willing to be in some sense associated with us (because that's how it will look). It will give me a reason to re-work those pages. However, if Kelly wishes to organise some distinct venture of her own with respect to Forum posters, that is entirely her prerogative. I have no objection to the idea other than to suggest that having all such profiles in the one place would make more sense.
Yes, it makes more sense to put all profiles in the same place, since there's no difference in the aims. I'm willing to be associated with the Genius Forum, so I'll email my bio and photos to you.



ksolway wrote:There is of course a place in the personal profile where you can enter a web page. And these can be accessed via the "Memberlist" link at the top of the page.
True.

My website won't be ready for quite a few months.

Also, people who haven't website-creating skills, and don't mind being associated with the forum, would find it easier to get Dan's help.


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Post by Kelly Jones » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:53 pm

Just emailed bio and pics to danrowden@optusnet.com.au Is that right?

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Post by Dan Rowden » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:22 pm

Yes, that's right. I have your material. I'll include a page for you while I'm reworking those pages.

This comes with the caveat, however, that bios offered that don't fit the overall theme and agenda of Genius Forum will not be included in those pages. Which is to say those biographical pages were and are intended for those people who express the goals and values of the Forum.


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Post by millipodium » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:40 pm

drowden wrote:Yes, that's right. I have your material. I'll include a page for you while I'm reworking those pages.

This comes with the caveat, however, that bios offered that don't fit the overall theme and agenda of Genius Forum will not be included in those pages. Which is to say those biographical pages were and are intended for those people who express the goals and values of the Forum.


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WHat is the theme and agenda of Genius Forum?

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Post by Matt Gregory » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:57 pm

I don't want to put one up. I haven't accomplished anything.

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Post by Pye » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:14 am

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This reminds me of the most-spent of academia's time: who to include, what form such inclusion shall take, upon what criteria shall it be based, etc. - whole meetings, whole projects conducted in this way. Kelly even intimates that pictures are necessary (of a specific size) (so that we can see how "masculine" any of these females thinkers really are?)

Take note of what you think you take distance from; you sound just like them. This whole exercise is based upon the same principles that make academics bottom-heavy, over-weening, self-involved, and way off the mark. If you find some manner in which to defend it for the Genius Forum, then that manner becomes defendable in all its configurations.

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Post by millipodium » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:43 am

Pye wrote:.

This reminds me of the most-spent of academia's time: who to include, what form such inclusion shall take, upon what criteria shall it be based, etc. - whole meetings, whole projects conducted in this way. Kelly even intimates that pictures are necessary (of a specific size) (so that we can see how "masculine" any of these females thinkers really are?)

Take note of what you think you take distance from; you sound just like them. This whole exercise is based upon the same principles that make academics bottom-heavy, over-weening, self-involved, and way off the mark. If you find some manner in which to defend it for the Genius Forum, then that manner becomes defendable in all its configurations.

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LOL. Hilarious and brilliant, chum!

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Post by Kelly Jones » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:07 am

Hey Pye,
This reminds me of the most-spent of academia's time: who to include, what form such inclusion shall take, upon what criteria shall it be based, etc. - whole meetings, whole projects conducted in this way. Kelly even intimates that pictures are necessary (of a specific size) (so that we can see how "masculine" any of these females thinkers really are?)
Since you seem to be criticising the idea of member profiles, I'll defend it.

I put a size limit on photos because words usually have more subtlety than images. Photos show character. The recent posts about Weininger explain the relationship between physiognomy and intellect.

I'm not interested in C.V.s. I explained the aims of updating the profiles. What did you think of these aims, Pye?


Take note of what you think you take distance from; you sound just like them. This whole exercise is based upon the same principles that make academics bottom-heavy, over-weening, self-involved, and way off the mark. If you find some manner in which to defend it for the Genius Forum, then that manner becomes defendable in all its configurations.
Would you care to offer these "principles"?



Maybe you're upset because it's seems to you to be a status thing. I can only speak for myself. For me it's an admission that I've fastened a thread, even in quite a mediocre place. This admission is public, because I don't value segregating my life into private truths and public hypocrisy. I'd rather be completely and consciously hypocritical, at this stage.

It's calculated to be therapeutic, for me, who typically takes things too seriously.


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Post by sschaula » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:30 am

I'd contribute, but I now represent the opposite of this forum. A human being that accepts his humanity. I no longer try to rise above anything, or try to understand anything. My search came to a sad end..."Everything is meaningless". I now go from the path to wisdom, to the path to life and to death.

I'm back where I started. Sure, I'm seasoned now, but I don't like it. I would've rather remained "ignorant" (most people aren't actually ignorant, it's all semantics) than have gone down this path towards nothing.

It's better to try and improve your life than to try and attain enlightenment. People go to great ends to attain the state of nothing great. I'm convinced that all of this searching is just a waste of time.

The goal of this forum is to go find something which you don't currently have. Become masculine. Become wise. Become intelligent. Become a good writer. Become cold hearted. Become witty. Become a lonely soul. Become a philosopher.

I ask why, after having done all of these things. I've gotten nothing good from it...only bad. There's not a single good thing about this path, or this forum which talks about it. To learn how to distinguish right from wrong? This forum will only confuse you on the issue. To figure out ultimate truth? It's a piece of cake - everything that is, is; everything that isn't, isn't. Stupid people figure this stuff out. It takes no genius. Look, I'm living proof.

Is it good to become wise? What is wisdom? To have figured it all out in your mind? There are always other variables that come into play. Sure, there is ultimate truth, but once you've figured it out you sit there in your chair with your computer and go "hmmph" like a gorilla that doesn't know jack about logic.

Life is suffering (sometimes). Philosophy is understanding in detail that life is suffering (sometimes). Sometimes life is good. A person doesn't need to learn how to navigate the rollercoaster of life...up and down up and down. You still sit through the ride.

So that being said, I'm not one of those who analyzes the ride anymore, in a deluded attempt to make it go whichever way I want it to. I know it doesn't. I'm not a genius. I'm not enlightened. There's not actually such a thing as either of those terms. People just made them up, out of their deluded minds.

So I cannot be put up on your biography page.
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Post by Tharan » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:42 am

To think that you have not grown would be wrong. To think that you have not grown in exactly the direction you visualized is...Life.

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Post by Ryan Rudolph » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:44 am

Scott wrote:
I no longer try to rise above anything
Bravo Scott, I was impressed by that entire post. Your bleak realism is a nice contrast to Kelly’s optimistic picturism…

Scott wrote:
The aim in doing so is to present real people, as one sees so few individuals living in the mob. It'd also deconstruct the myth that traits of genius and femininity co-exist comfortably.
Woah there Ms Jones, you’re quite the little busy body today arent you? Slow down for a second and step back from this desire to post your mugshot and bio.

Kelly Jones wrote:
I can only speak for myself. For me it's an admission that I've fastened a thread, even in quite a mediocre place. This admission is public, because I don't value segregating my life into private truths and public hypocrisy. I'd rather be completely and consciously hypocritical, at this stage.
What do you really think posting your picture and writing a bio will accomplish?

Kelly Jones wrote:
It's calculated to be therapeutic, for me, who typically takes things too seriously.
Your calculation is dead wrong. This is the desire to be reborn through superficial means. You reason to yourself “if I do this then perhaps I’ll get that”

Wisdom doesn’t work that way. There is nothing “You” can do.

You are trying to take action as a means to be more serious, more wise. You’re emotional motive is obvious here.

Give up, resist the urge to post your mugshot.

Actually, If you really want to post pictures on the internet, become a pornstar because this the only useful purpose for a woman’s picture anyways.

And if you want, you can start by sending me a picture, but make sure it is a glossy pic that reveals your buttocks.
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Post by Dan Rowden » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:46 am

Milli wrote:
WHat is the theme and agenda of Genius Forum?
Is that a rhetorical question? You might want to read the welcome and intro thread of the place.

Pye wrote:
This reminds me of the most-spent of academia's time: who to include, what form such inclusion shall take, upon what criteria shall it be based, etc. - whole meetings, whole projects conducted in this way. Kelly even intimates that pictures are necessary (of a specific size) (so that we can see how "masculine" any of these females thinkers really are?)
It's not complicated. The purpose of the profile pages was and is to give a face and name to otherwise faceless and nameless people. To show that philosophy is done by real people with real lives, real issues, ideals and failings. It's a way for people to know more fully those whom they are reading and with whom they are corresponding. It's also a way to show younger readers that not everyone on the Internet is unwilling to put their name and reality to their ideas and ideals.

Photos are welcome, but they are not necessary. They can be sent to me in any format or size as I will resize/crop them as I see fit for the pages.


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Post by millipodium » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:08 am

sschaula wrote:I'd contribute, but I now represent the opposite of this forum. A human being that accepts his humanity. I no longer try to rise above anything, or try to understand anything. My search came to a sad end..."Everything is meaningless". I now go from the path to wisdom, to the path to life and to death.

I'm back where I started. Sure, I'm seasoned now, but I don't like it. I would've rather remained "ignorant" (most people aren't actually ignorant, it's all semantics) than have gone down this path towards nothing.

It's better to try and improve your life than to try and attain enlightenment. People go to great ends to attain the state of nothing great. I'm convinced that all of this searching is just a waste of time.

The goal of this forum is to go find something which you don't currently have. Become masculine. Become wise. Become intelligent. Become a good writer. Become cold hearted. Become witty. Become a lonely soul. Become a philosopher.

I ask why, after having done all of these things. I've gotten nothing good from it...only bad. There's not a single good thing about this path, or this forum which talks about it. To learn how to distinguish right from wrong? This forum will only confuse you on the issue. To figure out ultimate truth? It's a piece of cake - everything that is, is; everything that isn't, isn't. Stupid people figure this stuff out. It takes no genius. Look, I'm living proof.

Is it good to become wise? What is wisdom? To have figured it all out in your mind? There are always other variables that come into play. Sure, there is ultimate truth, but once you've figured it out you sit there in your chair with your computer and go "hmmph" like a gorilla that doesn't know jack about logic.

Life is suffering (sometimes). Philosophy is understanding in detail that life is suffering (sometimes). Sometimes life is good. A person doesn't need to learn how to navigate the rollercoaster of life...up and down up and down. You still sit through the ride.

So that being said, I'm not one of those who analyzes the ride anymore, in a deluded attempt to make it go whichever way I want it to. I know it doesn't. I'm not a genius. I'm not enlightened. There's not actually such a thing as either of those terms. People just made them up, out of their deluded minds.

So I cannot be put up on your biography page.
Insightful post, schaula.

WHat's wrong on here is buddhist zealotry has been mistaken for genius.

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Post by Dan Rowden » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:25 am

No, what's wrong here is that you don't care about your ignorance. That's fine. Your values and goals are your own, just don't pretend to not be ignorant.

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Post by millipodium » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:44 am

drowden wrote:No, what's wrong here is that you don't care about your ignorance. That's fine. Your values and goals are your own, just don't pretend to not be ignorant.
No. The buddha has hijacked your intellect.

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Post by sschaula » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:40 am

Dan said,

No, what's wrong here is that you don't care about your ignorance. That's fine. Your values and goals are your own, just don't pretend to not be ignorant.

Dan you are right about what you said...at least about me. But what ignorance is there in Mill? He may have it all figured out.

What is the purpose of figuring it all out? Does it merely bring satisfaction? The satisfaction of being the one that "got it"? Someone who figures out the truth can't be satisfied with themselves, because in the truth there is no self like this. You can't be satisfied with finding truth.

Does it bring freedom? Freedom from what? Ignorance? Perhaps...but then it only frees you into the prison of wisdom. There's no freedom for the wise person, because they are bound by truths and no imagination. Finding truth cannot bring freedom.

Does it bring goodness? Does it make the ignorance-dispeller into a nice person, who takes care of others? Perhaps taking care of others isn't good...but maybe spreading wisdom is? Is spreading wisdom good? To know that, we have to look at if wisdom itself is good.

What is good about wisdom? You could say that it can prevent you from doing things that you'd be forced into doing if you were ignorant. Like if you are driving a car, and you hit a small child...you will then want to be more aware of what you're doing. You won't talk on your cell phone and eat a burger while you drive with your left knee. I guess being more aware of what you're doing is good. Being aware of who you are as a person, from an objective viewpoint rather than just from your dark center of the universe.

But this isn't the whole of wisdom. Wisdom is knowing the absolute truth, and living it. What is the absolute truth? Well, it's that all things exist fragilly. A thing appears and goes. It's all coming from the one totality.

But who cares? Anyone knows this. You can walk around seeing everything in this way, and still be full of crap. Chopping your wood and carrying your water. I know, because I have seen the world entirely this way for a while now and it's nothing special. If there truly exists an enlightenment of the mind, this is not it...and I doubt there is a true enlightenment.

I recently was talking to a guru in the Siddha Yoga tradition. I wanted her to become my guru, so that I could dissolve the rest of my karma. In the course of talking to her, it's become incredibly clear to me that she is just a human being. Buddha was just a human being. Jesus was just a human being. We all are born and die. "The pink moon is gonna get you all."

Why seek something that doesn't even exist? The absolute truth is changeless. It's impossible to become what you are. When you are in ignorance, of course enlightenment exists. You feel so stupid and are so dumb...but when the moment comes, nothing happens. You are still the same human.

I'm not speaking from much experience. I don't know about real enlightenment. I'm an ignorant fool. But I know the foolishness of seeking wisdom. The ignorance of trying to dispel ignorance.

We have one life, and it's all about how you want to spend your days. Being driven by an illogical desire to dispel all ignorance, or just simply chopping your wood and carrying your water...Dan you're absolutely right. It's fine, and each person's values and goals are their own.

Even more...is philosophy a hobby or your entire existence? Do you come on here and think about it constantly, yet still only keep it as a hobby? I've noticed it's easy to do that. That's why a few females have come on here pretending to be thinkers...because it's easy to put this forum and all of the thinking you do into a nice little box, and never actually live your life.

It's easy to impose these things on yourself which actually mean nothing to you. It becomes an easy routine. All in all, it's just more delusion.

Which is once again why I can't be put on a page that has to do with this forum. I don't want to be associated with people that try to sell other people things. Even if it's not through money...but if it's just all about power and a feeling of self worth, I don't want to have anything to do with it.

That's what people do here. They come here to stroke their egos and feel powerful, when in real life they probably are lacking. At least one female, Kelly, has admitted somewhat to this. She says she's driven a lot by having a broken childhood. It was the first bit of truth I saw on this forum, even though Marsha thought she was just being self indulgent in her attempt at gaining sympathy.

I didn't see it that way. I would like it if everyone here admitted they were losers. I'll admit it...I don't have many friends. I kind of suck as a person.

That can drive someone even more so to seek out "wisdom". But once again, such a thing is pointless. It's impossible to make yourself seek it out. It's just a driving force inside of each of us. Yes, every last person alive has this. It forces their every action.

The difference between them and the people on this forum, is that the people here define things much more accurately. Semantics.

There's no difference from the crying girl who wants to know why she can't __________, than from the philosopher pondering about the nature of everything. None whatsoever.
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Post by Tharan » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:52 am

There's no difference from the crying girl who wants to know why she can't __________, than from the philosopher pondering about the nature of everything. None whatsoever.
The difference being that, for the philosopher, it is the last question asked. And justifiably so.

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Post by Ryan Rudolph » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:54 am

Scott wrote:
I kind of suck as a person.
Yeah well, like we discussed earlier Scott, we all have imperfections and there is not a genetically perfect blueprint among us.

The flaws create distinction and character.

I agree that there is no ultimate achievement of enlightenment that one should strive for like a horse being seduced by a carrot on the end of a rope.

To be wise, one simply needs to realize the fact of imperfection and the fact that there is no carrot.

Striving to be something other than what you are will only create further division misery and confusion.

One needs to realize for oneself what tendencies can be changed/ended and which ones are pretty much fixed.

We try to feel satisfied in the search for deeper truth/understanding, but the very pain/pleasure cycles we get caught in prevent us from being truly satisfied.

To accept ‘what is’ takes enormous courage, most people fight ‘what is’ their entire lives only to die and realize that the entire journey was one big joke, one big cosmic joke Scott.

It takes very little energy to be what you are, it takes a lot of energy to be what your not.

Some people on this forum put an enormous amount of energy into being what their not thinking they’re actually being what they are.

UG Krishnamurti said that the genius is a low grade moron - something along those lines - I like that - now there's something I can live up to.

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Post by Nick » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:57 pm

Matt Gregory wrote:I don't want to put one up. I haven't accomplished anything.
I don't think any kind of accomplishment is neccessary for inclusion in the bios page. Just as long as you express the goals and values of this forum, like Dan said. Judging by the contributions you have made to this forum I am fairly certain you fit this criteria. Although if you simply don't want to include yourself on the page, then to each his own.

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Post by millipodium » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:09 pm

cosmic_prostitute wrote:


UG Krishnamurti said that the genius is a low grade moron - something along those lines - I like that - now there's something I can live up to.
With this board, he's totally right. Genius is not buddhism. Though buddhism is helpful for dealing with stressful situations, and keeping your rationality when you feeled boxed in by emotions.

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Post by millipodium » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:10 pm

What are the goals and values of this forum?

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Post by millipodium » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:11 pm

duplicated
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