What is your biggest blockage to focussing on enlightenment?
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What is your biggest blockage to focussing on enlightenment?
Here are some suggestions:
- money (have to keep going to work)
- family, social relationships (pressure to conform)
- fragile ego (lack of confidence)
- psychological disorder (including drug addictions)
- none
- not interested at all
Feel free to define differently. And to add your "wishful solution".
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- money (have to keep going to work)
- family, social relationships (pressure to conform)
- fragile ego (lack of confidence)
- psychological disorder (including drug addictions)
- none
- not interested at all
Feel free to define differently. And to add your "wishful solution".
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How can you focus on something that you don't have? By focusing on your lack of it? Will that get you it?
How can any of those "blockages" (are they even in the way?) stop a person from becoming enlightened?
Pressure to conform....does a philosopher even think of those things when they care about enlightenment and the truth?
The fact is - a person who isn't enlightened doesn't truly want it. Deep down they're still holding onto something. That thing isn't a blockage, but them holding onto it is.
How can any of those "blockages" (are they even in the way?) stop a person from becoming enlightened?
Pressure to conform....does a philosopher even think of those things when they care about enlightenment and the truth?
The fact is - a person who isn't enlightened doesn't truly want it. Deep down they're still holding onto something. That thing isn't a blockage, but them holding onto it is.
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MKFaizi
I have been writing to Genius in one form or another for several years -- like almost nine years -- how time flies -- or to put it another way -- how exactly does time fly? Define flying.
Anyway, I have come to the enlightened conclusion that the one thing standing in the way of my personal enlightenment is not some,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t134pAEMSH8, as some have contended.
It is Genius itself that stands in the way of enlightenment.
Yes, brothers and sisters, upstairs as well as downstairs. Don't make no difference. Genius, like television, can rot your mind. It is obvious that it has rotted many minds.
Not mine, however -- though there were some close calls.
I have survived the minefield and, despite long term use of Genius, I am enlightened.
I ate the elephant.
Faizi
Anyway, I have come to the enlightened conclusion that the one thing standing in the way of my personal enlightenment is not some,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t134pAEMSH8, as some have contended.
It is Genius itself that stands in the way of enlightenment.
Yes, brothers and sisters, upstairs as well as downstairs. Don't make no difference. Genius, like television, can rot your mind. It is obvious that it has rotted many minds.
Not mine, however -- though there were some close calls.
I have survived the minefield and, despite long term use of Genius, I am enlightened.
I ate the elephant.
Faizi
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sschaula wrote:
But doubting his knowledge of, and relationship to truth, help to ensure that the truth he has hold of, is rock-solid and everlasting.
The more mature philosopher, who has reached enlightenment, still has mental blocks that he must deal with. These blockages are those that dwell deep within his ego, and are the most difficult to root out. But because his goal is perfect enlightenment, he continues to work on them to reach that goal.
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Yes. If it is your goal to become enlightened, you need to focus on ways to achieve that goal. For example: if you want to be an Olympic swimmer, but do not know how to swim – you must focus on improving your swimming abilities until you reach your goal.How can you focus on something that you don't have? By focusing on your lack of it? Will that get you it?
“Blockages†make the way difficult for you to reach your goal. For example: budding philosophers sometimes start out thinking that philosophy will give them a life and status – only to discover that it does neither. This can be quite a difficult thing to come to terms with, and most go back to lifestyles that supply them with those things.How can any of those "blockages" (are they even in the way?) stop a person from becoming enlightened?
The budding philosopher will encounter others (friends, family, females, and fans) that see his interest in philosophy as “strange†and “unnecessaryâ€. During these early stages, the budding philosopher can be quite sensitive and somewhat emotional about philosophy, and his knowledge of it. He may find that the pressures from the world to “stop fooling aroundâ€, “get a jobâ€, “find someone to loveâ€, and “make a lifeâ€, extremely hard going. Of course, it is only hard going if he himself harbors these same desires. If he is unsure that he wants to dedicate his life to thought, he will feel torn between the world and philosophy.Pressure to conform....does a philosopher even think of those things when they care about enlightenment and the truth?
But doubting his knowledge of, and relationship to truth, help to ensure that the truth he has hold of, is rock-solid and everlasting.
I think it is more a case of the as yet unenlightened budding philosopher still finding his ‘sea legs’. Like I said above, the early years can be quite difficult, because of all the pressures that surround him. His philosophical immaturity often makes him feel that he is progressing too slow, or not at all. Learning to relax, and trusting in his own mind; are sometimes hard lessons to learn. But once learnt; he is able to mature at a steady pace.The fact is - a person who isn't enlightened doesn't truly want it. Deep down they're still holding onto something. That thing isn't a blockage, but them holding onto it is.
The more mature philosopher, who has reached enlightenment, still has mental blocks that he must deal with. These blockages are those that dwell deep within his ego, and are the most difficult to root out. But because his goal is perfect enlightenment, he continues to work on them to reach that goal.
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MKFaizi wrote:
Your above words will encourage those budding philosophers either posting or lurking to make an all out effort to ensure that they too do not end up the same way. But to help them out a bit more, could you say in what way Genius Forum has prevented you from becoming enlightened?
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Thanks Marsha,I have been writing to Genius in one form or another for several years -- like almost nine years -- how time flies
Anyway, I have come to the enlightened conclusion that the one thing standing in the way of my personal enlightenment is not some effervescing elephant, as some have indicated -- but Genius Forum itself.
Your above words will encourage those budding philosophers either posting or lurking to make an all out effort to ensure that they too do not end up the same way. But to help them out a bit more, could you say in what way Genius Forum has prevented you from becoming enlightened?
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Mine is a fragile ego; it's also linked to the pressure to conform socially.
When I was a kid, other little girls at kindy and primary school seemed to find me revolting. It's likely that in a small Aussie town with plenty of blazing blonde vegemites, I looked like a ugly ching-chong boy, with a pudding haircut. My family was also dysfunctional and violent. Both these things contributed to a fragile ego.
The belief "everyone's out to get me" is a paranoid narcissistic anxiety about self-identity. It's basically low self-esteem. One feels compelled to defend whatever makes one distinct from others.
My "wishful solution" is simple. An identity without paranoia or narcissism, to create a more confident Truth-loving ego. It's likely to happen if I accept that I prefer to be idle. Also to meet lots of people and focus on experiencing them as cause and effect. This would help diminish the mental habit of fear about me-them.
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When I was a kid, other little girls at kindy and primary school seemed to find me revolting. It's likely that in a small Aussie town with plenty of blazing blonde vegemites, I looked like a ugly ching-chong boy, with a pudding haircut. My family was also dysfunctional and violent. Both these things contributed to a fragile ego.
The belief "everyone's out to get me" is a paranoid narcissistic anxiety about self-identity. It's basically low self-esteem. One feels compelled to defend whatever makes one distinct from others.
My "wishful solution" is simple. An identity without paranoia or narcissism, to create a more confident Truth-loving ego. It's likely to happen if I accept that I prefer to be idle. Also to meet lots of people and focus on experiencing them as cause and effect. This would help diminish the mental habit of fear about me-them.
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Sue, you wrote to Marsha:
Unless a connection can be made with suffering these lesser philosophers with overcoming such deeper-dwelling blockages, then I would call that prevention.
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You also wrote:Your above words will encourage those budding philosophers either posting or lurking to make an all out effort to ensure that they too do not end up the same way. But to help them out a bit more, could you say in what way Genius Forum has prevented you from becoming enlightened?
It is possible that the general level of the forum reaches a point that is not conducive to the progress of more mature philosophers.The more mature philosopher, who has reached enlightenment, still has mental blocks that he must deal with. These blockages are those that dwell deep within his ego, and are the most difficult to root out. But because his goal is perfect enlightenment, he continues to work on them to reach that goal.
Unless a connection can be made with suffering these lesser philosophers with overcoming such deeper-dwelling blockages, then I would call that prevention.
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MKFaizi
Kelly wrote:
Well, at least, you did not have elephantiasis as a child, as I did. I would have given anything to have been an ugly ching-chong boy with a pudding haircut, such as yourself. Given those fine physical attributes, I might have had a chance in making the cheer-leading squad.
I did think about it but I could not lift my sixty pound leg to make the effort. My brother made a cart for my appendages and I made it around school like that for a while. But when I went to cheerleader try-outs, the bitches just smirked. My feelings were deeply hurt to the point that I never recovered.
Living in the US, naturally, I work for a living. I stuff envelopes and sell things on ebay -- usually freak pictures of my body. I autograph them when I can and this makes them more valuable. I also offer sex for a price and you would be surprised at the number of wealthy customers I attract. Everybody wants to fuck a freak. Dudes get off on searching for my vagina. Hell, even I can't find it.
It is heartening to come here, Kelly, and read of your misfortune. Gratifies my ego to know that there is someone even worse off than myself.
I ate the elephant.
Why won't you do the same?
Get over yourself.
Effervescing Faizi
How sad. Poor thing. Utterly and completely sad. I am crying my eyes out at the thought of it -- Kelly, the only misfit in the world. Poor, poor thing. How sad. How sorry I feel for her.It's likely that in a small Aussie town with plenty of blazing blonde vegemites, I looked like a ugly ching-chong boy, with a pudding haircut.
Well, at least, you did not have elephantiasis as a child, as I did. I would have given anything to have been an ugly ching-chong boy with a pudding haircut, such as yourself. Given those fine physical attributes, I might have had a chance in making the cheer-leading squad.
I did think about it but I could not lift my sixty pound leg to make the effort. My brother made a cart for my appendages and I made it around school like that for a while. But when I went to cheerleader try-outs, the bitches just smirked. My feelings were deeply hurt to the point that I never recovered.
Living in the US, naturally, I work for a living. I stuff envelopes and sell things on ebay -- usually freak pictures of my body. I autograph them when I can and this makes them more valuable. I also offer sex for a price and you would be surprised at the number of wealthy customers I attract. Everybody wants to fuck a freak. Dudes get off on searching for my vagina. Hell, even I can't find it.
It is heartening to come here, Kelly, and read of your misfortune. Gratifies my ego to know that there is someone even worse off than myself.
I ate the elephant.
Why won't you do the same?
Get over yourself.
Effervescing Faizi
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Leyla Shen wrote:
Given the fact that Sue is conducting things here with the confidence of someone who knows what is true, I think this is likely. I have no tolerance for obedience or subservience generally, let alone to someone who has no business talking down to me or anyone else.
Kind of feels like being lectured by Tom Cruise.
Faizi
It is possible that the general level of the forum reaches a point that is not conducive to the progress of more mature philosophers.
Given the fact that Sue is conducting things here with the confidence of someone who knows what is true, I think this is likely. I have no tolerance for obedience or subservience generally, let alone to someone who has no business talking down to me or anyone else.
Kind of feels like being lectured by Tom Cruise.
Faizi
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Perhaps that is for the best. I just thought that if we all got to read more of your irrational prattle, we would all strive that much more to ensure that we do not follow you down that same path.No.Sue: But to help them out a bit more, could you say in what way Genius Forum has prevented you from becoming enlightened?
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Leyla Shen wrote:
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Genius values rationality and logic, which makes it unique amongst forums. So no matter what stage you’re at philosophically, because this forum has set the bench mark extremely high, everyone who ventures here is also caused to strive to that same height.It is possible that the general level of the forum reaches a point that is not conducive to the progress of more mature philosophers.
I’m not sure what you are saying here – could you rephrase it?Unless a connection can be made with suffering these lesser philosophers with overcoming such deeper-dwelling blockages, then I would call that prevention.
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Marsha wrote:
You say you “have no tolerance for obedience or subservience†yet your blatant anti-thought position is the same as what the common majority hold. In some part of your mind I think you know this is true, but have no skills to change the situation - so you’re left to carry a chip on your shoulder the size of a telephone pole.
Telling people they are bitchy, fucking cunt faggots does nothing except make clear how out of your depth you are in matters of philosophy. The fact that you see my work as equal to the stuffing that comes out of Tom Cruise’s head is of no consequence to me, but it could be interesting to someone else. For it to mean something, you need to actually say something more: such as, “Tom Cruise believes that he is an alien – Sue thinks like an alien, and this is why…â€
Come on! Think of something! We’re both old sheilas, but there's life in us yet!
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Sue
Since the very early days of your involvement with Genius you have been sprouting the same line - “I am a strong bitch. Nothing more. I have talent, of sorts.â€(1997). And this is true – if I ever get into a pub fight, I want you there along side me. But reading your mindless rages against nothing in particular becomes extremely uninteresting.Given the fact that Sue is conducting things here with the confidence of someone who knows what is true, I think this is likely. I have no tolerance for obedience or subservience generally, let alone to someone who has no business talking down to me or anyone else.
Kind of feels like being lectured by Tom Cruise.
You say you “have no tolerance for obedience or subservience†yet your blatant anti-thought position is the same as what the common majority hold. In some part of your mind I think you know this is true, but have no skills to change the situation - so you’re left to carry a chip on your shoulder the size of a telephone pole.
Telling people they are bitchy, fucking cunt faggots does nothing except make clear how out of your depth you are in matters of philosophy. The fact that you see my work as equal to the stuffing that comes out of Tom Cruise’s head is of no consequence to me, but it could be interesting to someone else. For it to mean something, you need to actually say something more: such as, “Tom Cruise believes that he is an alien – Sue thinks like an alien, and this is why…â€
Come on! Think of something! We’re both old sheilas, but there's life in us yet!
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That's my sense of humour. It's funny to me, to see what a mental illness of low self-esteem gets hung up over.MKFaizi wrote:How sad. Poor thing.
I wasn't whinging, just giving an example. I did post the thread thinking it might scare some people to talk about their personal blockages publicly. I broke the ice with something trivial.
For me, and I'm sure for many others, lack of confidence makes thinking about Truth unappealing. It's about low self-esteem. It really wangs it with self-pity, going wild over complete trivia. The rational part of the mind just won't recognise that it's all out-of-proportion.
It's probably a trauma reaction, so the threat isn't forgotten.
Take your rants, for instance. You seem dead serious about how awful your life has been. Your themes recur frequently. Those recurring complaints and rants are a sign of emotional damage. So you evidently need to get things in scale, but are struggling with the decision. It does require effort and time to heal.
You asked me about 18 months ago (I think) what will happen to the grand old tree of your life, if you opened your mind to the Infinite. There's no need to worry about it.
It's up to you what you're going to trust. Are you going to trust the ill parts of your mind, which are leading you in circles? Or the healthier parts, which are more interested in your well-being?
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Oh geese, a party full of girls, I was contemplating something, but I forget it now, anyway I thought I'd stop in and say hi.
Hey Kelly, Leyla, Sue, Faizi….
My biggest blockage to enlightenment is probably women.
Bye girls.
CP
Hey Kelly, Leyla, Sue, Faizi….
My biggest blockage to enlightenment is probably women.
Bye girls.
CP
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I wrote:
"Unless a connection can be made between suffering these lesser philosophers and overcoming such deeper-dwelling blockages, then I would call that prevention."
I'm aware of the unique nature of Genius. If I weren't, I would not post here. However, I don't see that as an argument against what I said.
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Sue wrote:It is possible that the general level of the forum reaches a point that is not conducive to the progress of more mature philosophers.
Unless a connection can be made with suffering these lesser philosophers with overcoming such deeper-dwelling blockages, then I would call that prevention.
I'll change two words, as follows:I’m not sure what you are saying here – could you rephrase it?
"Unless a connection can be made between suffering these lesser philosophers and overcoming such deeper-dwelling blockages, then I would call that prevention."
I'm aware of the unique nature of Genius. If I weren't, I would not post here. However, I don't see that as an argument against what I said.
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Leyla wrote:
Actually Leyla I’ll be right back, please excuse me for a moment…
You’re right Leyla, this is my fantasy, not yours. Like I said “Past experiences with women have definitely become a blockage to enlightenment, a blockage that definitely needs to be jettisoned from this body…You really should try and get to know your patients before you attempt psychoanalysis. It helps to ensure you're dealing with their fantasies, and not your own.
In fact, I think it's high time you honestly attempted to accurately distinguish yourself from others.
Actually Leyla I’ll be right back, please excuse me for a moment…
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Sue Hindmarsh wrote:
I am not interested in that sort of discussion. Your lecturing does cause me to think that I am being lectured by Tom Cruise. That is not an insult. It is true.
Faizi
Thanks but no thanks. I have nothing to say. I long ago lost whatever supposed chip you think I have on my shoulder. I no longer care whatsoever for your opinion or anyone else's opinion concerning whatever about me or anything about me. Your opinion is your problem and not mine. Your opinion is quite outdated and presumptuous; and a pale attempt at a put-down.Come on! Think of something! We’re both old sheilas, but there's life in us yet!
I am not interested in that sort of discussion. Your lecturing does cause me to think that I am being lectured by Tom Cruise. That is not an insult. It is true.
Faizi
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Neither was I. Neither was I ever whining in anything I have written here.I wasn't whinging,
I gather from the rest of what you wrote to me that you consider me to be mentally ill. Since this is the case, there is no need for further discussion between you and myself; for no matter what I may write, you will see it filtered through your group-think judgment of my mental illness.
That is pretty funny when you consider this is Genius wherein some of its members are on the dole due to supposed mental instability. Before you get your panties in a wad, let me say quickly that I could not care less whether anyone is on the dole or not or how they got there.
Faizi
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Kelly wrote:
I must admit that I am a little taken aback by that. I mean, if I want Oprah, I can go to an Oprah forum.
As for me coming here writing about how bad my life has been, I don't really get that. I have written some things that have happened in my life. I have had the honesty to admit that I am clinically depressed BUT AGAIN -- DEPRESSION IS NOT ALWAYS SITUATIONAL. Neither does depression denote that I am delusional or otherwise disconnected from reality.
Just curious, do you also consider David Hodges to be mentally ill?
My feeling about this whole thread is that it is Cunt Country. It feels like being ganged up on by gum chewing high schoolers.
I have never written anything to Genius that I could consider to be a rant. Rant is the put down word for one who voices strong opinion.
I am not prepared or willing to defend myself here for either Kelly or Sue -- Oprah and Tom. I have no respect for your opinions that are on the level of Cosmo Magazine.
I do know that there are posters here who do not share your opinions of me but I don't care what they think either.
Faizi
I feel like I am on Oprah Winfrey or a scientology forum.It's up to you what you're going to trust. Are you going to trust the ill parts of your mind, which are leading you in circles? Or the healthier parts, which are more interested in your well-being?
I must admit that I am a little taken aback by that. I mean, if I want Oprah, I can go to an Oprah forum.
As for me coming here writing about how bad my life has been, I don't really get that. I have written some things that have happened in my life. I have had the honesty to admit that I am clinically depressed BUT AGAIN -- DEPRESSION IS NOT ALWAYS SITUATIONAL. Neither does depression denote that I am delusional or otherwise disconnected from reality.
Just curious, do you also consider David Hodges to be mentally ill?
My feeling about this whole thread is that it is Cunt Country. It feels like being ganged up on by gum chewing high schoolers.
I have never written anything to Genius that I could consider to be a rant. Rant is the put down word for one who voices strong opinion.
I am not prepared or willing to defend myself here for either Kelly or Sue -- Oprah and Tom. I have no respect for your opinions that are on the level of Cosmo Magazine.
I do know that there are posters here who do not share your opinions of me but I don't care what they think either.
Faizi
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Marsha,
I'm interested in truthful, intelligent, passionate, rational types. I'm particularly interested in those who display courage and are actively investigating the truth about Reality, and especially the self's non-existence. I find them thought-stimulating, and inspiring.
I'm not interested in aimless nuisances. I think at least a year is adequate for most members of the Genius Forum to indicate their interests. Much less if they write prolifically. If they contribute nothing to the forum over that time, then they should be asked to leave, or be banned.
In my opinion, you contribute almost nothing to the Genius Forum, Marsha, since your strong opinions are narrow-minded, repetitious, and very rarely show any rational consideration of the forum's objectives.
Kelly
Plaintiff: "I'm innocent, and I don't care if anyone is trying to prove me guilty, since I'm not. End of story. I have no respect for anyone else's opinions, since anyone who accuses me of some wrong is merely a clown from a girly magazine - or a mindless actor. So, I am acquitted by my own defense. I have no conflict of interest, I simply trust that I am always in the right when dealing with myself. Despite being a guest in the Genius Forum, I may behave exactly as I like, and even destroy the forum on wanton impulses. I bow to no one! (blah blah blah strut strut strut....)"
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I'm interested in truthful, intelligent, passionate, rational types. I'm particularly interested in those who display courage and are actively investigating the truth about Reality, and especially the self's non-existence. I find them thought-stimulating, and inspiring.
I'm not interested in aimless nuisances. I think at least a year is adequate for most members of the Genius Forum to indicate their interests. Much less if they write prolifically. If they contribute nothing to the forum over that time, then they should be asked to leave, or be banned.
In my opinion, you contribute almost nothing to the Genius Forum, Marsha, since your strong opinions are narrow-minded, repetitious, and very rarely show any rational consideration of the forum's objectives.
Kelly
I define depression as a mental illness characterised by an obsession with low self-esteem. The sufferer experiences self-pity, narcissism, paranoia, and violent, aggressive thoughts. The behaviour focusses on performing a range of personae, to comfort the ego and protect it from perceived threats. All this is a display of a fragile ego. It is indeed delusional and shows no understanding of Reality.MKFaizi wrote:Neither does depression denote that I am delusional or otherwise disconnected from reality.
It describes the style of delivery, and also the lack of reasoning of whatever is being voiced.Rant is the put down word for one who voices strong opinion.
You sound like one of those American ranters on talk-shows. In a court-room, shouting down the judge, and lawyers:I am not prepared or willing to defend myself here for either Kelly or Sue -- Oprah and Tom. I have no respect for your opinions that are on the level of Cosmo Magazine.
Plaintiff: "I'm innocent, and I don't care if anyone is trying to prove me guilty, since I'm not. End of story. I have no respect for anyone else's opinions, since anyone who accuses me of some wrong is merely a clown from a girly magazine - or a mindless actor. So, I am acquitted by my own defense. I have no conflict of interest, I simply trust that I am always in the right when dealing with myself. Despite being a guest in the Genius Forum, I may behave exactly as I like, and even destroy the forum on wanton impulses. I bow to no one! (blah blah blah strut strut strut....)"
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