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The Hard Line By CP

Post by Ryan Rudolph » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:05 pm

Before you read on this is a joke thread, so if your in a seriousness mood this may not rub you the right way.

“The Hard Line” is a series solutions to the world’s problems the way CP sees it.

First problem, Overpopulation: Some people in this forum feel that humanity’s breeding is out of control.

Well the solution to this is easy, not less breeding, but more breeding only we need to be incredibly selective in how we breed. For instance I say we send 10 000 blonde virgins into Osama Bin Laden’s cave of marry men and next thing you know the terrorist population has skyrocketed and hence we have more evil to bomb the world thus decreasing the world population.

Next problem: Ego. The world has an ego problem – however this is an easy fix too. I say we allow the entire western world to achieve celebrity, yeah that’s right, allow everyone to get on the celebrity train. What this will achieve is that after the entire western guy population bangs Britney Spears they will quickly see that ego climbing to gain power isn’t what it is cracked up to be and there egos will quickly dissolve away…

Next problem: Sage Competition: Sometimes you may have noticed that Quinn and I get into the odd shouting match now and again and on occasion I have been known hack into Solway’s posts and sabotage his work, but I have figured out a solution to this. Old fashion duels: Remember those? I say we bring out the leather gloves and the pistols and settle this like gentlemen boys.

Next problem: Stupid people showing up in this forum, you may seen stupid people wandering around in here dazed and confused, hell you might even be one. The solution to this is I say we introduce an entrance exam that you need to pass before you’re able to enter the forum. I say that all newbie’s who enter need to memorize the wisdom of the infinite, poison for the heart or better still: my autobiography.

Next problem: Spiritual Cowards: There are a lot of dreamers out there who are afraid to see A=A in that they need their magic with their little unicorns and their little fairies and their posters of David Hasselhoff in a speedo, well I say we feed these deluded monkies to the sharks, that’s right, walk the plank tinkerbell, we’ll see if your fairies can save you now…

Next problem: Sensual Hedonists: pleasure whores I call them, this is an easy fix as well, any weaklings that are unable to end their desire to sin, I say we imprison them, but not any old prison, we gotta customize their punishment. Gay prisons are the ticket here, lock up all the gays and throw the sinners in there with them because I bet when they get out on parole the sinners will be extremely well behaved.

Anyway that’s my two cents and if you disagree with me, too bad.
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Post by Tharan » Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:22 am

Overpopulation: Not a problem. Mathematical estimates show the planet can feasibly sustain 12-14 billion. Currently, most developed countries have falling populations. The issue is poverty, not population.

Ego: Always a problem. Including for those offering "solutions."

Sage Competition: I promise you, CP, Quinn barely knows you exist. You are just another in a long, long line of attention seekers.

Stupid people showing up in this forum: I agree. But there is nothing "to be done" (except perhaps to respond when we feel so inclined).

Spiritual Cowards: If the truth can be displayed, then fear drops away. The issue is getting people to see the truth beneath all their delusional layers.

Sensual Hedonists: Same as above. Pleasure fills the gap when there is lack of truth.

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Post by Ryan Rudolph » Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:44 am

Thanks for your two cents Tharan, although this thread is met to be read as a satire of human nature, but your seriousness is fine.

Tharan wrote:
Mathematical estimates show the planet can feasibly sustain 12-14 billion.
Math is limited, the man that relies on calculations is not sensitive to what is actually going on around him.

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Post by Tharan » Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:00 am

It is only funny if there is some truth to it, yes? And someone obviously did not study their math adequately in school.

Math is absolutely the greatest predictor of future phenomenon in the history of mankind. Nothing even comes close to comparing (significant correlation, for those Statistically-inclined).

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Post by Ryan Rudolph » Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:12 am

Tharan wrote:
It is only funny if there is some truth to it, yes?
Yes, and I think this post illustrated how man loves to try to solve humanities problems using incredibly shallow and limited ideas because he is incapable of facing the truth that he is completely powerless to actually do something himself. Very funny.
Math is absolutely the greatest predictor of future phenomenon in the history of mankind. Nothing even comes close to comparing (significant correlation, for those Statistically-inclined).
I would say psychological insight is primary, to observe something as true, math is not needed. Generally Math is used by humans to oversimplify, over generalize and distort ‘what is’ and cause all sorts of mischeif.

The wise mind is not overly calculative, the only mathematics that is needed is incredibly simple percentages.

An intellect that is overly calculative has a difficult time living the truth.

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Post by Tharan » Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:58 am

Did a wise mind build your computer that allows to you to post Wise Thoughts for us to read at our leisure? What of the housing and routing of electric current? Done by priests? Cross-legged Yogis?

Don't get me wrong, it is not a love or reverence for them that I take this position. Scientists are bean counters, in many ways. But if there comes a time that knowing the exact number of beans in the jar is important, you don't ask the local comedian.

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Post by Ryan Rudolph » Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:34 am

Yes the calculative minds are exploited for their services and it is quite sad. The comedians are also exploited.

The toil and blood of the clever mind provides the masses with their luxuries.

This is why the sage goes minimal, it makes sense.

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Post by Nick » Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:03 am

cosmic_prostitute wrote:Yes the calculative minds are exploited for their services and it is quite sad. The comedians are also exploited.

The toil and blood of the clever mind provides the masses with their luxuries.
I don't think these clever minds care that they are exploited as long as it keeps bringing them six and seven figure paychecks. As long as the masses choose to ignore reality or laugh it away, and willing to pay top dollar for it, their demand for the latest and greatest distractions will never never be in short supply.

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Post by millipodium » Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:05 am

cosmic_prostitute wrote:Yes the calculative minds are exploited for their services and it is quite sad. The comedians are also exploited.

The toil and blood of the clever mind provides the masses with their luxuries.

This is why the sage goes minimal, it makes sense.
Sage? You're an enemy to humanity.

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Post by Ryan Rudolph » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:41 am

Milli wrote:
Sage? You're an enemy to humanity.
By negating the superficial aspects of human nature, you are performing the greatest good because you make life easier for yourself and you also make life easier for the world.

Because you are the world.

so nihilism is of the highest intelligence. It is not evil as you say. You should abandon the word evil and use more subtlety in your language.

Desire, suffering, fear, ego, self – these are all words that will lead one to a total understanding of evil.

Humanity desires more and more pleasure and this is the cause of their pain. Pleasure in possessions, pleasure in the imagination/future ideals, pleasure in everything.

By negating the worldly pleasures of the world, you do achieve elitism because while the rest of humanity are behaving like monkies you are disciplined, rational, sane, and following the path of goodness.

Evil is not understanding duality and then suffering for it. Evil is being attached to women, attached to possessions, attached to the worldly gimmicks that this rotten place tempts the individual with.

Evil is not understanding that there is no self, there is no thinker, just thoughts. When you realize this, it will come as a shocking blow to your identity because you will realize that there is no identity there to begin with.

Evil is not realizing that the entire structure that is created in your brain is an illusion, a cunning eleborate dream-world created by the cleverness of the intellect.

The truth is that I did not choose to write this, and you will not choose to write your write your response, it will be based on the emotional discontent that you feel upon reading it.

Now how mature can this emotional discontent become?

The lower the quality of ones emotional discontent, the more vulgar the response.

Emotion governs thinking, this is why there is no choice.

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Post by MKFaizi » Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:45 pm

Stupid idiotic crap.

Might be tolerable if it had any imagination to it. Don't.

Get rid of the Hezbollah pic.

Faizi

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Post by MKFaizi » Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:01 pm

Cosmos wrote:
Next problem: Sage Competition: Sometimes you may have noticed that Quinn and I get into the odd shouting match now and again and on occasion I have been known hack into Solway’s posts and sabotage his work, but I have figured out a solution to this. Old fashion duels: Remember those? I say we bring out the leather gloves and the pistols and settle this like gentlemen boys.
As Tharan wrote, David Quinn has been at this for a long time. Fourteen or fifteen years, I think. Genius has been in existence for about nine years. Plus, David has written much to other forums and he has the luxury of devoting his life to thinking.

He has encountered much stronger forces than yourself.

I realize that you say you are writing in jest but I think you are pretty serious.

In my experience, David Quinn does not engage in shouting matches. If there was any shouting, it must have been done by you. David does not have to shout. His reasoning ability is loud enough.

This is not to say that I always agree with him. I don't. His path and my path are very different. But I have respect for most of his thought as I have respect for Dan Rowden.

I have no respect for your writing.

Sarcastic; ironic; enough for you?

Hha ha.

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Post by Ryan Rudolph » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:28 am

Faizi wrote:
Get rid of the Hezbollah pic.
I’m starting to believe that you have an emotional bias towards the Arab population, are you of Arab decent by any chance?

Are you presently dating an Arab gentlemen?

Faizi wrote:
As Tharan wrote, David Quinn has been at this for a long time. Fourteen or fifteen years, I think. Genius has been in existence for about nine years. Plus, David has written much to other forums and he has the luxury of devoting his life to thinking.
He has encountered much stronger forces than yourself.
In my experience, David Quinn does not engage in shouting matches. If there was any shouting, it must have been done by you. David does not have to shout. His reasoning ability is loud enough.
Woah now, I’m not trying to knock the king of his throne, no slander here. CP is a humble servant to the higher beings.

But honestly the entire thread is just a gag, come on now Faizi. A joke. Hahahahah – laugh with me Faizi…

Faizi wrote:
I have no respect for your writing.
Sarcastic; ironic; enough for you?
I respect your writing and I’m putting all my energy into understanding your views and I’m sorry if I sound condescending in my writing sometimes, that is my weakness.

my weakness is that I have the rare tendency to be overly condescending and what is humiliating is sometimes I am completely wrong...

So if you can accept my weaknesses, I'll accept yours.

CP puts out his hand….

Friends?

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Post by millipodium » Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:04 am

cosmic_prostitute wrote:Milli wrote:
Sage? You're an enemy to humanity.
By negating the superficial aspects of human nature, you are performing the greatest good because you make life easier for yourself and you also make life easier for the world.

Because you are the world.

so nihilism is of the highest intelligence. It is not evil as you say. You should abandon the word evil and use more subtlety in your language.

Desire, suffering, fear, ego, self – these are all words that will lead one to a total understanding of evil.

Humanity desires more and more pleasure and this is the cause of their pain. Pleasure in possessions, pleasure in the imagination/future ideals, pleasure in everything.

By negating the worldly pleasures of the world, you do achieve elitism because while the rest of humanity are behaving like monkies you are disciplined, rational, sane, and following the path of goodness.

Evil is not understanding duality and then suffering for it. Evil is being attached to women, attached to possessions, attached to the worldly gimmicks that this rotten place tempts the individual with.

Evil is not understanding that there is no self, there is no thinker, just thoughts. When you realize this, it will come as a shocking blow to your identity because you will realize that there is no identity there to begin with.

Evil is not realizing that the entire structure that is created in your brain is an illusion, a cunning eleborate dream-world created by the cleverness of the intellect.

The truth is that I did not choose to write this, and you will not choose to write your write your response, it will be based on the emotional discontent that you feel upon reading it.

Now how mature can this emotional discontent become?

The lower the quality of ones emotional discontent, the more vulgar the response.

Emotion governs thinking, this is why there is no choice.
Nihilism is not the highest of intelligence. It's elitism run amok, Hatred masked as enlightenment, like so many "esoteric" systems.

I agree people are too wrapped up in status and such. But as the idiots works so hard for the status symbols, the sages can survive off the crumbs. Winky dinky, try to thinky. If you can't , you are stinky. I wrote that myself.

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Post by Ryan Rudolph » Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:17 am

Milli wrote:
Nihilism is not the highest of intelligence. It's elitism run amok, Hatred masked as enlightenment, like so many "esoteric" systems.


I dont like the idea of it either Milli, if I had my way as a creator, everyone would be born equal, but this is not the case.

We are born into the world with different levels of intelligence. Some men are destined to be great and others are destined to live burdened with suffering and tragedy because they do not have the intellectual disposition to think their way out of their own problems.

There is elitism, it is a irrefutable fact and it exists whether you want to believe in it or not.

Humans are not born equal.

I dont like it either Milli, but thats the truth and the truth hurts.

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Post by millipodium » Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:22 am

cosmic_prostitute wrote:Milli wrote:
Nihilism is not the highest of intelligence. It's elitism run amok, Hatred masked as enlightenment, like so many "esoteric" systems.


I dont like the idea of it either Milli, if I had my way as a creator, everyone would be born equal, but this is not the case.

We are born into the world with different levels of intelligence. Some men are destined to be great and others are destined to live burdened with suffering and tragedy because they do not have the intellectual disposition to think their way out of their own problems.

There is elitism, it is a irrefutable fact and it exists whether you want to believe in it or not.

Humans are not born equal.

I dont like it either Milli, but thats the truth and the truth hurts.
No. There is variety; elitism is a choice. Are you a jew, cp?

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Post by millipodium » Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:25 am

cp. It seems you consider great intelligence as THE factor that defines the elite. Maybe great intelligence, however, is maladptive, as it alienates you from society, and makes you a judgemental, hate-filled, emotionally stunted asshole, who can only assuage his pain by destroying OTHERS. WHen you become this, people notice and hate your guts, and will genocide you out of existence, for being, not intelligent, but for being an asshole.

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Post by DHodges » Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:06 am

millipodium wrote: makes you a judgemental, hate-filled, emotionally stunted asshole, who can only assuage his pain by destroying OTHERS. WHen you become this, people notice and hate your guts, and will genocide you out of existence, for being, not intelligent, but for being an asshole.
Milli - chill out!

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Post by Ryan Rudolph » Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:23 am

No. There is variety; elitism is a choice. Are you a jew, cp?
I have european origins genetically, I am a white male.

Milli wrote:
maybe great intelligence, however, is maladptive, as it alienates you from society, and makes you a judgemental, hate-filled, emotionally stunted asshole, who can only assuage his pain by destroying OTHERS. WHen you become this, people notice and hate your guts, and will genocide you out of existence, for being, not intelligent, but for being an asshole.
Intelligence is not maladaptive, it is the only thing that can possibly save mankind. In an age of unbridled stupidity, what else will do it?

On the contrary to your contempteous judgement, I feel that I am wholeheartly interested in the complete liberation of man, meaning I do not want to see man suffer when he doesnt have to.

The only reason I hate certain tendencies of man is because I hate those aspects in myself. To negate something, it needs to be criticised in a negative sense, there is no other way.

we were born of the animal you see, and he have inherited all sorts of brutal tendencies.

This is why I spread the good word of negation, I am like a christain only my words are intelligent.

humans who are attached to the world are not thinking clearly, they are living from pleasure to pleasure, drifting through life like a soggy rotten log haphazardly floating through a sewage system, they have no logic in their thoughts.

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Post by millipodium » Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:59 am

cosmic_prostitute wrote:
No. There is variety; elitism is a choice. Are you a jew, cp?
I have european origins genetically, I am a white male.

Milli wrote:
maybe great intelligence, however, is maladptive, as it alienates you from society, and makes you a judgemental, hate-filled, emotionally stunted asshole, who can only assuage his pain by destroying OTHERS. WHen you become this, people notice and hate your guts, and will genocide you out of existence, for being, not intelligent, but for being an asshole.
Intelligence is not maladaptive, it is the only thing that can possibly save mankind. In an age of unbridled stupidity, what else will do it?

On the contrary to your contempteous judgement, I feel that I am wholeheartly interested in the complete liberation of man, meaning I do not want to see man suffer when he doesnt have to.

The only reason I hate certain tendencies of man is because I hate those aspects in myself. To negate something, it needs to be criticised in a negative sense, there is no other way.

we were born of the animal you see, and he have inherited all sorts of brutal tendencies.

This is why I spread the good word of negation, I am like a christain only my words are intelligent.

humans who are attached to the world are not thinking clearly, they are living from pleasure to pleasure, drifting through life like a soggy rotten log haphazardly floating through a sewage system, they have no logic in their thoughts.
But are you a jew?

love, not intelligence will save mankind. You sickos who feel your intelligence entitles you to the genocide of others, hate humanity and have always been the scourge of the earth.

Attachment to nothingness and nihilism, is even more sinister than an attachment to the world.

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Post by Ryan Rudolph » Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:23 am

milli wrote:
But are you a jew?


No.

Milli wrote:
love, not intelligence will save mankind. You sickos who feel your intelligence entitles you to the genocide of others, hate humanity and have always been the scourge of the earth.


Why do you separate love from intelligence? When there is intelligence there is love.

Nihilism in the only hope humanity has, Are you able to see that humanity is on a self-destruct course precisely because it accepts the world as it is?

Milli wrote:
Attachment to nothingness and nihilism, is even more sinister than an attachment to the world.
It is not an attachment to nihilism, but rather the realization that there is no other way, attachment implies emotional investment, but to observe something objectively, there is very little emotion because you are able to see what is.

love is not emotion. the world is in shambles precisely because as a race we are overly emotional and attached to worldly pleasures.

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Post by millipodium » Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:32 am

cosmic_prostitute wrote:milli wrote:
But are you a jew?


No.

Milli wrote:
love, not intelligence will save mankind. You sickos who feel your intelligence entitles you to the genocide of others, hate humanity and have always been the scourge of the earth.


Why do you separate love from intelligence? When there is intelligence there is love.
No. Your intelligence leads you to disdain and dismiss humanity in general. You sit in judgement of a humanity that is "not good enough for you".
Nihilism in the only hope humanity has, Are you able to see that humanity is on a self-destruct course precisely because it accepts the world as it is?
Humanity is on self destruct course through fear and worship of elitism. Humanity may accept the world, but individuals cannot accept themselves. You can't accept that your intelligence marginalizes you, and seek to rebuild the world in your image.

Milli wrote:
Attachment to nothingness and nihilism, is even more sinister than an attachment to the world.
It is not an attachment to nihilism, but rather the realization that there is no other way, attachment implies emotional investment, but to observe something objectively, there is very little emotion because you are able to see what is.
There are many ways. And you are emotionally invested in your attachment to nihilimsm. You lie to yourself that you are not, in fact, committed to this destructive worldview.

love is not emotion. the world is in shambles precisely because as a race we are overly emotional and attached to worldly pleasures.
No. Love is an emotion. It's a bond, and a positive regard.
We are in shambles due to fear, and fear is reinforced by genocidal elitist maniacs like yourself.

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Post by millipodium » Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:03 am

DHodges wrote:
millipodium wrote: makes you a judgemental, hate-filled, emotionally stunted asshole, who can only assuage his pain by destroying OTHERS. WHen you become this, people notice and hate your guts, and will genocide you out of existence, for being, not intelligent, but for being an asshole.
Milli - chill out!
No.

Again, I will point out evil tendencies in smart people.

And again, perhaps you should acquaint yourself with my nutsack sweat, so you can begin to internalize the new social order of the board. Nobody needs your incessant, nannyism.

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Post by Ryan Rudolph » Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:07 am

Milli wrote:
You sit in judgement of a humanity that is "not good enough for you".
So humanity is good enough for you? Why do you come here and try to change me then? You are in judgement all the time.

But if you judge to merely protect your own attachments, ideals and limited system of ideas that you believe is correct then that is unintelligent judgement.

Milli wrote:
You can't accept that your intelligence marginalizes you, and seek to rebuild the world in your image.
The philosopher cannot help but mold others to his will, you do the same thing to me.

Milli wrote:
committed to this destructive worldview.
Destruction is creation, to destroy what is unintelligent and intelligence is born. That is the essence of truth. You are emotionally affected by the sight of words. When you see the word elitism you think bad and feel emotions. You are controlled by weak feelings that you desperately need to get over.

This is getting old Milli, you have to make the conscious choice to dedicate all your energy to your own psychological maturity...

you're understanding of psychology is weak at best. you have alot of work to do inwardly. Do not be content with yourself.

Milli wrote:
It's a bond, and a positive regard.
To be attached to positivity is the biggest igronance of mankind.

The drunk is attached to the positive, the gambler, the husband, the man who holds a high position in society, these are the irrational maniacs, I am rational for not participating in their pleasure games.

Milli wrote:
We are in shambles due to fear, and fear is reinforced by genocidal elitist maniacs like yourself.
No, it is a fear of losing what we are attached to. A fear of losing our petty wife, or our petty drugs, or our petty high paying jobs and our large bankaccounts.

Maniacs like myself are dedicated to pointing out mankind’s pettiness and how this is related to the unnecessary suffering that we all must bear as a result.

If there is a holy man Milli then he facing what death is by dropping all ideals, including the ideal of non-elitism.

To die to all delusion is to face death and to face death is to find the timeless, and the timeless is that which does not change, that which has no beginning or end.

Are you strong enough to face death Milli? do you have what it takes? Can you have the humility to admit that you are in error?

To admit there is errors in ones thinking takes alot of courage. man is controlled by pride and he would rather die than think he is really wrong about something.

One can only become logical through hundreds of realizations how he has been mistaken completely.

The mind is constantly deluding itself, this is happening all the time.

millipodium

Post by millipodium » Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:19 am

cosmic_prostitute wrote:Milli wrote:
You sit in judgement of a humanity that is "not good enough for you".
So humanity is good enough for you? Why do you come here and try to change me then? You are in judgement all the time.
I judge the various forms of faulty cognition and character which lead to evil and hatred.

But if you judge to merely protect your own attachments, ideals and limited system of ideas that you believe is correct then that is unintelligent judgement.
I judge people like you, hopefully to protect humanity from your belligerent, narcissictic, elitist hatefullness.

Milli wrote:
You can't accept that your intelligence marginalizes you, and seek to rebuild the world in your image.
The philosopher cannot help but mold others to his will, you do the same thing to me.
Yes. I do. you're criminality exalting itself.

Milli wrote:
committed to this destructive worldview.
Destruction is creation, to destroy what is unintelligent and intelligence is born. That is the essence of truth.
Save your psychobabble bullshit for someone who buys into it, mmmkay. You're a monster.


You are emotionally affected by the sight of words. When you see the word elitism you think bad and feel emotions. You are controlled by weak feelings that you desperately need to get over.
As are you. Someone rendering judgement on what passes oftentimes as intelligence bothers you. Nobody like being told they're wrong.

This is getting old Milli, you have to make the conscious choice that to dedicate all your energy to your own psychological maturity...
My choice is and has been to dedicate myself to fighting pseudointellectuality which leads to hatred and atrocity.

you're understanding of psychology is weak at best. you have alot of work to do inwardly. Do not be content with yourself.
Actually, you do. Stop being content in your elitism and disdain. It's not attractive.

Milli wrote:
It's a bond, and a positive regard.
To be attached to positivity is the biggest igronance of mankind.
On the contrary, it's mankind's saviour.

The drunk is attached to the positive, the gambler, the husband, the man who holds a high position in society, these are the irrational maniacs, I am rational for not participating in their pleasure games.
But yet, you seek to destroy that which does not conform to your myopic vision, and replace it with that which exalts you.

Milli wrote:
We are in shambles due to fear, and fear is reinforced by genocidal elitist maniacs like yourself.
No, it is a fear of losing what we are attached to. A fear of losing our petty wife, or our petty drugs, or our petty high paying jobs and our large bankaccounts.
And this fear is reinforced even moreso when elites in society hold the "common man" in low regard, to the extent that they consider genocide a good idea. The world is right to fear you, and those who think like you.

Maniacs like myself are dedicated to pointing out mankind’s pettiness and how this is related to the unnecessary suffering that we all must bear as a result.
But you propose even greater suffering to mold the world according to your standard.

Consider yourself negated to your very foundational self.

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