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Post by sanchez » Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:16 am

Here it goes...

I came across my first philosophy book, today. 2 minutes later I was barfing all over the place.
" knowledge is power, but only wisdom is liberty"

"...the limits of human understanding"

" thought is a function of matter "

Who comes up with this shit, anyways. I understand that we are all members of the human race, and that we question every possibility there is on life, reasoning, and logic. But, in reality, we are falling into a room full of dangerous ground.

LIfe-nothing more than that voice in the back of your head

Reasoning-who has time to reason

Logic-fuckin waste of time

Should I continue to feed my beast for knowledge, or quit?
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Post by Steven Coyle » Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:28 am

What other interests do you have?

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Post by sschaula » Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:35 am

Sanchez,

Stay a while and just read. If you think it's bullshit after a while, then you might as well leave. Trying to convince philosophers that philosophy is stupid makes you a philosopher...and therefore stupider than stupid.
- Scott

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Post by sanchez » Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:01 pm

O.k. you all must be concerned about this new guy. Yes...I am mexican. Yes...I experience criticism from the media as being stupid and possible a delinquent at critical thinking or thought. But, hey! who in this life is perfect. Did the romans have mercy on the greeks? Did they not built coliseums near their temples to make a statement? I am just saying that all this mumbo jumbo about LIfe is just going to make us more sick in the head than we could possibly imagine.
Take for example the universe. Do you think that in any damn day any person in the universe would want to meet a rawnchy fuckin ass human being? I don't think so...With all our greed, war, and mischif, I don't think that not even a single soul out there, as perfect as they are, would want to meet a greedy goblin human.
Further more, we are just a bunch of morons trying to fix a imperfect world. We really don't have the answers to the universe, so, what do we do? We question our ancestors, we question our smartest ppl in the world. For what?
When you die, you will enter into a world of perfection. First off, you're going to meet a psychologist who will ask you a series of questions, which will then lead you into the conclusion that the total difference between life and death is that in death you cannot question things because things are so perfect. In that, you choose to be dead.
What I'm getting at is that my life-as a born genius- I am now a depressed genuis, with a fuckin talent for telepathy and whatever else is out there...all I'm saying is that Love is the truth we all should be talking about. Because in love we find the answer to our problems...

p.s. i'm drunk

Steven Coyle

Post by Steven Coyle » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:06 pm

sanchez,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung

A deceased psychologist with some interesting theories.

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Post by sue hindmarsh » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:45 pm

sanchez wrote:
What I'm getting at is that my life-as a born genius- I am now a depressed genuis, with a fuckin talent for telepathy and whatever else is out there...all I'm saying is that Love is the truth we all should be talking about. Because in love we find the answer to our problems...

“Love is the truth” – wiser words were never spoken. Without love the world would be in turmoil, with people trying to kill, maim and conquer each other. Without love, men and women could not live in continuous peace and harmony. Love songs, love poems, love stories – Love! Love! Love! It’s spoken of everywhere. Every man, woman, and child knows its great power. No pain, no suffering, no heartbreak, no loneliness, no sadness, no “problems” – love is it!


Talk about it!

Live it!

Love it!

Smear yourself in it - like pigs do mud!

Rob, cheat, kill and lie for it!

Take a gun to your head and blow your brains out for it!

Dance with the daemon that is it!

Then embrace Hatred, the twin brother of it!

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p.s. I'm sober.

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Post by DHodges » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:53 pm

sanchez wrote:O.k. you all must be concerned about this new guy.
Not at all.
When you die, you will enter into a world of perfection.
In the sense that you will be perfectly dead.
Because in love we find the answer to our problems...
And there is no problem that can't be solved by getting drunk enough.

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Post by MKFaizi » Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:43 pm

Sanchez wrote:
p.s. i'm drunk
I reckon that sums it up pretty well.

Concern about you? Hardly. This is a very hardened group -- loosely defined. We have pretty well seen it all. Not likely that you or anyone else is going to cause us much concern or shock any of us.

If you are interested in philosophy, you really need to be posting upstairs in real Genius. This is unreal Genius. Down here, we just write about things that don't matter. Up there, they talk about real things -- stuff that really matters. If you want to be enlightened and considered to be serious, you have to write to real Genius.

This section is for slumming Fully Enlightened Buddhas or those who shun enlightenment.

The main premise of both forums -- as I see it -- is learning to know the mines. This is the Thinking Man's Minefield. That is the way I see it and I have always seen it -- part of the original premise. I have been writing to Genius for almost nine years. You don't dodge the mines here. You trip them. You blow up. You disintegrate and you recreate. Destruction of ego is edifying. It is kind of like LSD SR -- slow release.

Can't speak for anyone else but I don't give a shit that you are Mexican or anything much else. Of course, if you were Puerto Rican, that might be another matter entirely.

Puerto Ricans are a superior race.

Shaheena Faizi

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Post by MKFaizi » Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:53 pm

All right. You were drunk.

Yet, how in the world do you differentiate a "person in the universe" from a human being? Is a person in the universe someone who is philosophically enlightened or is such a person someone from outer space?

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Post by Tomas » Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:27 pm

-sanchez- 'telepathy'


-Tomas- Now we're gettin somewhere :-)

Telepathy (in its basest of concentration) give one that "split second" early notice that something is up.

Some days ... you can positively determine ... no doubt whatsoever ... it is going down (the tele-prompt sez so) ... done*did happen.

A lot of it is that 'corner of the eye' where, you the tele-pathway, (influence the moving gate), in essence -- your physical body being the 'move gravity field.'



-sanchez- ps - i'm drunk


-Tomas- Yeah, philosophy is a good drink at the beginning ... but then, the room starts turning (the depressive side of thinking philosophically) ... so you, change drinks -mistakenly- thinking this will bring your feet steady under you. No such luck!- those dang german philosopher's are recited at every board you visit.

Relax.

Some (very little philosophy) will ever do the telepathy any meaning. It just makes one evermore drunker!

Please explain the tele-path visited.

Enjoyable thought you present



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Post by MKFaizi » Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:19 pm

So much for Sanchez.

May he barf in peace.

RIP Sanchez.

Hoodahavas. Salaam.

Begum Shaheena Mohyuddin Faizi

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Post by millipodium » Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:13 am

Most philosophy in the CANON is bullshit. It's all just a bunch of wordplay designed to keep bright minds mired down in self analysis instead of actually speaking truth to power. I hate that I quote cindy sheehan, but that's a good phrase. Cind sheehan has nice funbags for a leathery old wench.

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Post by Tomas » Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:22 am

Cindy nice funbag's but an old wench.


Hmmm.

(more vocalized) Hmmm.

Heard she bought five acres of land near George's hobby ranch.

When i was a 'political operative' had the opportunity (which i seized) to attend several state dinners at the White House. The clatch of disparate people who had bundles of money one dinner ... and an extra billion or two by the next dinner. The bragging was done in such a way that one would instantly recognize who has $billions as opposed to a mere five hundred million.

One i attended was way back when Donald Trump's "empire" was in tatters, due to the building slump cycle etc. He had his hat out asking for cash to tide him over - what struck me about Trump was his 'never quit' attitude, so many old-moneyed families don't understand that loosely-defined anachronism.

His kids have to earn their own way - as he had to do.

This one dinner honoring a retiring Senator- this attendee-woman remarked how the senator and his wife had raised their children to perfection. The Senator's wife leaned over and very audibly stated, we had a lot of bribe money to lavish on police balls. Then winked, held out her pinky finger and dipped it in her rice pudding and licked the sauce off.

The Senator's wife (several years younger than he) appeared to have a nice set of "funbags", herself :-| She showed them off in quite revealing ways. Some off-the-wall comment by her at another (much more casual) state function i attended had her saying she breast-fed the three children for the first eight months.

The White House is playing it smart by keeping Cindy 'in the hood' ... to present the illusion of token opposition needed, to foster that "we" are a truly 'democratic society'.

Keep her camped out in Texas while the real-action takes place on K Street in DC.

No, not interested in Cindy's cans, but i can feel for her cause celebre. She has poor handlers, but perhaps, that is their intention with marching orders from way on up high at Foggy Bottom.



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Post by millipodium » Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:27 am

Tomas wrote:Cindy nice funbag's but an old wench.


Hmmm.

(more vocalized) Hmmm.

Heard she bought five acres of land near George's hobby ranch.

When i was a 'political operative' had the opportunity (which i seized) to attend several state dinners at the White House. The clatch of disparate people who had bundles of money one dinner ... and an extra billion or two by the next dinner. The bragging was done in such a way that one would instantly recognize who has $billions as opposed to a mere five hundred million.

One i attended was way back when Donald Trump's "empire" was in tatters, due to the building slump cycle etc. He had his hat out asking for cash to tide him over - what struck me about Trump was his 'never quit' attitude, so many old-moneyed families don't understand that loosely-defined anachronism.

His kids have to earn their own way - as he had to do.

This one dinner honoring a retiring Senator- this attendee-woman remarked how the senator and his wife had raised their children to perfection. The Senator's wife leaned over and very audibly stated, we had a lot of bribe money to lavish on police balls. Then winked, held out her pinky finger and dipped it in her rice pudding and licked the sauce off.

The Senator's wife (several years younger than he) appeared to have a nice set of "funbags", herself :-| She showed them off in quite revealing ways. Some off-the-wall comment by her at another (much more casual) state function i attended had her saying she breast-fed the three children for the first eight months.

The White House is playing it smart by keeping Cindy 'in the hood' ... to present the illusion of token opposition needed, to foster that "we" are a truly 'democratic society'.

Keep her camped out in Texas while the real-action takes place on K Street in DC.

No, not interested in Cindy's cans, but i can feel for her cause celebre. She has poor handlers, but perhaps, that is their intention with marching orders from way on up high at Foggy Bottom.



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Oh shit. A mason.

So then you know Trump's father was also a real estate bigwig, though trump still may have the "scrapper attitude" you describe. And of course you know the favored nation bailed out Trump. Our relationship with china sickens me. It's so OBVIOUSLY the plan to reduce the world to slavery: Allow one slave nation into the fold and tell all the others we must compete with it. A true race to the bottom. I remember when we used to embargo totalitarian enemy states. AHh the good ol' days. Tell this to brainwashed neocon and they call you a commie. FUnny that.

Tubal cain.

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Post by MKFaizi » Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:22 pm

Tommy wrote:
"funbags",
No way! You mean she had testicles? Did she hang them in a ball bra?

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Post by Tomas » Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:42 am

-Millipodium- I remember when we used to embargo totalitarian nations.


-Tomas- Used to ? Still do!

Perhaps Cuba has missed the wavelength. Noth Korea? Iran?

Now that being the case study in two-faced diplomacy ... something tells me it goes a bit deeper (the reasons) why the USA has a hard-on for these punch-and-judy nation-states that don't knuckle under to the dictates of the USA.

All my days and nights in the political spectrum taught me that the Federal Reserve runs the show. Now those cats have to get their marching orders from someone else way up higher... it ain't george Bush, Bil Clinton and whatever else the mainstream hoods toss out.

The USA is the true communist state, all others are designed to kowtow to its dictates. (the reason why the UN is on american soil!)

The USA will never go down ... it will, once "Israel" (not that bullshit facade that is the political entity known as Israel) has the newly-formed UN World Court placed there. It's already built, just not in practice, as yet.


As far as 'being a' Free Mason ... if one has an allegiance to an organized structure ... it ain't me! The handshake is only an outward gesture designed to recognize another fellow craft member. The higher-ups generally use a different version of a shake to signal their status (pecking order) and once a certain Degree has been achieved ... one is honor-bound to "cover" for a fellow Mason. This also is true for the Order of Eastern Star women - but their's is more a subtle body-langauage recognition system. The eyes can deceive more easily, part of the answer lies that back in the 'olden days' of the Craft, no hearing aids and spectacles had been invented to assist in announcing ones arrival. I know, a bit simplistic i imply, but since you imply you are not in this grouping, it'd take too long to relate the intricate balance structure afoot here.

The USA is a commie nation. Neocon is but a slogan meant to divide and conquer ... no unity here pal.

The year 2010 is when Mexico, USA, Canada become one giant trading partner.


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Post by millipodium » Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:30 am

Tomas wrote: Perhaps Cuba has missed the wavelength. Noth Korea? Iran?
But what about china? Why are we making the world dependant on slave produced goods? Do you buy the fiction that an enhanced gdp will force the totalitarian chinese to give their people rights? I see no evidence of this. It is a brazen lie.

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Post by Tomas » Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:24 am

-millipodium- But what about China?

-Tomas- To make a long story short - wars are breaking out all over, with no end in sight.


-millipodium- Why are we making the world dependant on slave produced goods?

-Tomas- The best i can come up with is that's the way it's always been.


-millipodium- Do you buy the fiction that an enhanced gdp will force the totalitarian chinese to give their people rights?

-Tomas- I've a cousin that trades in (mainly) silver and some gold stocks. He's doing very well! Now, with the Alaska Pipeline's 'rusty weld cracks' coming to bear - i haven't a clue.

Japan gets crude from Alaska and this will simply realign the dragon nations to unite as the dollar fizzles even more. No, i don't buy that an enhanced GDP will do much of anything oher than drive China to further ratchet up its growing sea-based submarine fleet with nuclear-tipped missiles. They now have second-strike capability - should "we" ever decide to cut off their shipping lanes in the Straits of Malacca with aircraft carriers etc. The 'electric submarine' is coming back with the technology-punch that can be produced rather cheaply in the 'lesser developed' countries. The subs will make a mockery of the carriers as these new-wave underwater craft can sit silent underwater for days, perhaps weeks at a time. It will be cherry-picking times in Malacca Straits for Uncle Sam's carriers and the admirals know it!


-millipodium- force the totalitarian chinese to give the people their rights?

-Tomas- With all due respect to your question - the only "rights" we have are what we take for ourselves (seize the moment!) in every thought, word and deed. It isn't 'us versus them' type of thinking - Uncle Sam can write a Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights but this we know can be taken away by legislative fiat and Executive Orders. The Congress of the USA is a rubber stamp of 535 members.

Look on the back of the dollar bill and you will find ancient Egyptian scrawlings and a pyramid. This will signal the time of the end for the old world order.

Interesting tidbit - George Bush Senior stood at the podium of the United Nations on September 11, 1990 and uttered 'New World Order' - and 11 years to the day on September 11, 2001 another political wind blew a couple stones-throw at the Trade Center.


-millipodium- I see no evidence of this. It is a brazen lie.

-Tomas- With no letup in sight ... (sigh)



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ps- pardon the grammatical errors - American-English is not my native tongue :-)




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Post by millipodium » Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:58 am

Tomas, aren't you masons part of the whole NWO thingy?

aren't these neocon backstabbers masons?

Haven't masons perverted the teachings of the christian church with their dispensationalist lies?

I'm confused.

sanchez

Post by sanchez » Sun Aug 27, 2006 6:54 am

I was forced into the telepathic world. I really didn't have a choice.
It was some odd years ago when I was feeling depressed, still searching for truth, when I came across some strange phenomenon. There are many things about the the telepathic world, but the main idea was that there was a battle, kinda of like the Lord of the Rings script, between good and evil.
At first, I thought, maybe this is how genius people approach you " through the mind." They started directing me in a certain direction. Truth. Enlightenment.
I had been searching for thousands of years, or so it seems when you are depressed, for the answers to life. Where did we all begin. What is God. Soon to discover that these weren't just a bunch of geniuses picking me for a rid on a van.
Back then I was so stupid that I didn't even know what a psychic was. When your "eye" is opened it happens so fast, you don't know what to do. Before I knew it I was enchanted into a world full of darkness and lightness. My first intuition was to do whatever they told me to do. The first thing I noticed was a black cat, which I guess represented their life form. Suddenly, I was transfering my thoughts through trees and didn't even know it.
I cannot tell the whole story because I don't know how to tell stories. I just know it was there. You ever just been there, and you know it was real, because you had been searching for it your entire life?

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Post by millipodium » Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:25 am

sanchez wrote:I was forced into the telepathic world. I really didn't have a choice.
It was some odd years ago when I was feeling depressed, still searching for truth, when I came across some strange phenomenon. There are many things about the the telepathic world, but the main idea was that there was a battle, kinda of like the Lord of the Rings script, between good and evil.
At first, I thought, maybe this is how genius people approach you " through the mind." They started directing me in a certain direction. Truth. Enlightenment.
I had been searching for thousands of years, or so it seems when you are depressed, for the answers to life. Where did we all begin. What is God. Soon to discover that these weren't just a bunch of geniuses picking me for a rid on a van.
Back then I was so stupid that I didn't even know what a psychic was. When your "eye" is opened it happens so fast, you don't know what to do. Before I knew it I was enchanted into a world full of darkness and lightness. My first intuition was to do whatever they told me to do. The first thing I noticed was a black cat, which I guess represented their life form. Suddenly, I was transfering my thoughts through trees and didn't even know it.
I cannot tell the whole story because I don't know how to tell stories. I just know it was there. You ever just been there, and you know it was real, because you had been searching for it your entire life?
I'd like to hear more about the good and evil part.

Do other dimensional beings still have physical dependencies in this world. DO they have to eat? Can they get energy from us? Energy can travel between dimensions right?

sanchez

Post by sanchez » Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:04 am

Millipodium,

Can I give you a senario of what happened to me?

I was already in the air force for about a year, when I was sent to my next base. There was the usual, marching around from place to place, doing what was routine for a soldier on a military base. The thing about is was, prior to being stationed at this new base, I started to hear a voice in the back of my head, sort of whispering stuff to me. The voice started talking to me at my old base, telling me to stay there, because something big was about to happen.
I didn't listen, of course, because I thought nothing of the voice. I figured that I wasn't getting enough sleep and my mind was probably playing tricks on me.

In case you were wondering, I have been admitted to a mental health clinic. So, you don't have to hear this if you don't want to. I am in no way trying to get attention.

After awhile strange things started to happen once that voice was rambling in my head. People were no longer human anymore, I felt as if I was stuck on a base with a bunch of walking, talking, spirits. Basically, I was able to see the body, soul, and spirit of a person all at once.
It was as if the spirits of all the people there had come to the surface. I was scared. I was no longer talking to my roomate, but his spirit.
Once, I got to my next base, the same thing happened. Everyones spirits were talking to me, and by now, I could see heavy bags in everyones eyes. The same thing happened to me when I was in my quarters watching a movie, everyone's spirit in the movie began communicating with me. They were mostly showing me the weaknesses of human kind; how females are more powerfull than males, to a certain extent, in spirit.
When my roomate walked inside my quarters, I felt an invisible hand come over my head. It took me about 2 minutes to get rid of it.
I guess, that is when the whole battle between good and evil began. Once, an earthly person's spirit laid his spiritual hand upon me, that is when the inevitable happened. I started to feel a yearning to belong to something greater than human understanding. My mind's eye was awoken to another dimension or world. There was a sense of wanting to become apart of this world, then there was the " fear" that if I did become apart of this world what was going to happen to humans? But, the temptation was too great, I wanted to know who was responsible for this mind trick.
Soon or later, I found myself lying on a bundle of grass near a building, waiting for these mind readers to approach me.
The first thing I came across was a black cat. I don't know why, but I think they were testing my awarness for some reason, having me look down a black cat.
Next, these two individuals dressed in uniform approached me, laughing one to another. I got the sense that they were more afraid of me, than I was of them. When you see spirits all day instead of people, there is already a sense of belonging before it happens.
To make a long story short, the trees became very dim, there were crows flying everywhere, and the whole battle in my head made me very naseated, that when I came to my senses, the first thing that happened was I was admitted to a mentalward for being out of control.

Do you understand where I am coming from?

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Post by Kevin Solway » Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:01 am

sanchez wrote:when I came to my senses, the first thing that happened was I was admitted to a mentalward for being out of control.
Makes sense. It sounds like you lost the ability to distinguish imagination from reality - more than most people.

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Post by millipodium » Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:07 am

sanchez wrote:. . . To make a long story short, the trees became very dim, there were crows flying everywhere, and the whole battle in my head made me very naseated, that when I came to my senses, the first thing that happened was I was admitted to a mentalward for being out of control.

Do you understand where I am coming from?
Wow. Pretty interesting. So are the voice and the ability to see spirits still with you? Did medication get rid of them? Honestly I don't know either way if you're crazy or psychic. What do you think?

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Post by sanchez » Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:02 am

I am crazy, you see.

And...until I graduate from this college I am attending, I will just be simply "crazy." There is no logic in an uneducated man, only serious reasoning. Where I come from people don't just sit down and analyze the world and all it's pretty colors. They just work, feed their families, and that pretty much sums it up. You can feed the hungry food, but you can't feed them education.
I've been living in the street life my whole life. Drugs, alcohol, prostitution pretty much sums up my lifestyle, or my game. I don't bash people for their mistakes, because I know that if they used logic instead of reasoning they would probably be better off.
I know that when I am writing this stuff to the audience, nobody cares. There is no logic coming across my table, only reasoning. I probably only make little sense in my communication. However, in the street life, you don't need a college education to figure out how to survive. There are other ways of getting you point across to people other than language. For example: if I am walking down the street giving some guy a little bit of eye contact, he will think nothing of it. but, if I were to stare at the guy. He'd probably come over and kick my ass.
This is what you call a "way of life." C
People locked up in prison learn how to survive, and in doing so, get experience from a world different from the rest of ours.

Sorry to say this, but I enjoy this forum so much simply because I get to get away from the real world out there. Even if it is only 5 minutes spent on this forum I feel free for those 5 minutes.
Tomorrow, I am going to have to wake up to gang memebers walking in my house, guns and knives placed on the counter.
When a knife is pointed at your throat, you know that there is no logic coming from the person holding the cochio, only reasoning. Because, for some odd reason he is pissed at me and now holding a knife to my throat.
You would'nt understand this world, because you were probably brought up civilized. You probably attended a really nice school when you were growing up, with your parents support.
My mother is in the back room putting a needle to her arm as I am writing this.
I guess your mind kind of gets distracted when you don't get to concentrate on school. Hence, why I am crazy.

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