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A Worldly Matter...

Post by Sapius » Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:55 am

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Out of human courtesy, I would like to inform that I shall not be amongst such wonderful minds that I have enjoyed being with, as of now. Not for any particular reason though, because ultimately what reasons can one actually find or give to causality for doing what it does? However, I’m making a choice.

I shall hamper no more the path to 'Ultimate Truth' of anyone. Since it does seem that I have been talking kind of against it, but actually I am all for it, just that my opinions differ, however, one to his own, eventually.

I think, to some, my absence might give them the joy to be found in, Hey! ‘Good-riddance’. Well, I’m glad for your joy.

And I don’t think anyone will miss me, in time.

Any ways, all the best, and keep thinking.

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Post by Ryan Rudolph » Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:36 am

Sapius wrote:
I’m making a choice
Are you really making a choice to leave or has your emotional discontent reached the point where you can no longer stay…

Still no choice by you.

The quality of one’s logic is governed by emotion as we discussed before. There is no complete end to femininity, only a refinement.

This board has been a great place to practice one’s writing/reasoning skills, but eventually I will move on as well.

One can only repeat the same verbatim for so long... words get very tiresome...

So good luck Sapius… and godspeed....

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Re: A Worldly Matter...

Post by Diebert van Rhijn » Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:49 am

Sapius wrote:Not for any particular reason though, because ultimately what reasons can one actually find or give to causality for doing what it does? However, I’m making a choice.
Not sure about that one. If an engine runs out of steam we can shake our heads and tell ourselves that 'causality does what it does'. Still it needs a certain amount of understanding to explain the engine died because a lack of fuel, or a damaged part, or to admit we are not techical minded enough to know and then reason about a possible solution or even the need for the machine to be running.

So why is it so difficult to discern the particular reason that brought you here and drives you off again, and share it? Is your eyesight starting to fail you? ;) Happens to the best. And I wish you the best, as well.

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Re: A Worldly Matter...

Post by Nick » Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:14 am

Diebert van Rhijn wrote:
Sapius wrote:Not for any particular reason though, because ultimately what reasons can one actually find or give to causality for doing what it does? However, I’m making a choice.
Not sure about that one. If an engine runs out of steam we can shake our heads and tell ourselves that 'causality does what it does'. Still it needs a certain amount of understanding to explain the engine died because a lack of fuel, or a damaged part, or to admit we are not techical minded enough to know and then reason about a possible solution or even the need for the machine to be running.

So why is it so difficult to discern the particular reason that brought you here and drives you off again, and share it? Is your eyesight starting to fail you? ;) Happens to the best. And I wish you the best, as well.
My thoughts exactly. Just because ones actions are a result of causality doesn't mean we can't articulate the causes of our immediate decisions. It's just an excuse for not wanting to take responsibility for this particular decision. Either that or he just doesn't want to explain himself. Which is fine, but don't use causality as a cop-out.

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Post by MKFaizi » Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:13 pm

Leave him alone.

I will miss you, Sapius -- little Seth person.

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Post by Sapius » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:26 pm

CP,
Are you really making a choice to leave or has your emotional discontent reached the point where you can no longer stay…
Yes, I am really making a logical choice in doing so.
Still no choice by you.


Is that a statement or a question?
The quality of one’s logic is governed by emotion as we discussed before. There is no complete end to femininity, only a refinement.
Yes, I know, but it now time to move further and complete the "circle", and see that even any and all supposed “emotional” responses are necessarily based in logic and reasoning.
This board has been a great place to practice one’s writing/reasoning skills, but eventually I will move on as well.


Yes, it has been such a place and will always be. But you cannot really say that you will move on as well, only time will tell that. (causal conditions) You don't really know that NOW.
One can only repeat the same verbatim for so long... words get very tiresome...
Sure, may be for you, but I don’t see it that way, because each and every moment of existence is new to me, and I cannot ever get bored or tiresome of experiencing existence as an when, and in whatever form I perceive it in the NOW. No moment repeats itself.
So good luck Sapius… and godspeed....
Thanks, I appreciate an earnest gesture when I see one.

You see? How many misconceptions you have about me? Because you do not perceive things as I do, and I can never perceive things as you do. Each individual is unique. All we can compare is similarities, not the sameness, because of the complexity that each and every mind has reached, and yet, there is no essential difference at all, from the Existence point of view.
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Post by Sapius » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:57 pm

Diebert,
Sapius: Not for any particular reason though, because ultimately what reasons can one actually find or give to causality for doing what it does? However, I’m making a choice.
Not sure about that one.
Why not?
If an engine runs out of steam we can shake our heads and tell ourselves that 'causality does what it does'. Still it needs a certain amount of understanding to explain the engine died because a lack of fuel, or a damaged part, or to admit we are not techical minded enough to know and then reason about a possible solution or even the need for the machine to be running.
If you know this, then why are you not sure about the above?
So why is it so difficult to discern the particular reason that brought you here and drives you off again, and share it? Is your eyesight starting to fail you? ;)
No, and I'm sorry to say that yours is. Why did you give more weight to the first half of the sentence and not the second? Where I clearly mention that I AM MAKING a CHOICE, HOWEVER. Which means that I am fully aware of what I am doing, irrelevant of "me" being a caused “thing”, and irrelevant of it seeming to be an “emotional” reaction.

Why did you not pay attention to that? Have you not read my thoughts on how I consider causation creates freedom? In that “causation is Free” thread? I have never started more than a few threads, and I do that only when I think it is a different thinking, and does not necessarily reflect any other threads, even in similarity. What I say in my threads is kind of actually opposite of what everyone says, and since no one actually agrees with me, which tells that I am absolutely alone in what I think, hence there must be something really wrong we me, rather than others. But that too does not actually bother me at all. What can I say…?

Happens to the best. And I wish you the best, as well.
Sure, I know, but hopefully that will not happen to me, not because I am proud in any sense, but because I do not consider myself to be the best in the first place, so how could even that happen? One needs a thriving false-ego for either of that to happen.

I am a more complex thing than someone might logically decipher me to be, hence don’t look at the complexity, but the simple knowledge acquired through reasoning.
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Post by Sapius » Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:09 pm

Nick,
My thoughts exactly. Just because ones actions are a result of causality doesn't mean we can't articulate the causes of our immediate decisions. It's just an excuse for not wanting to take responsibility for this particular decision. Either that or he just doesn't want to explain himself. Which is fine, but don't use causality as a cop-out.
What do you have to say about it now? That Sapius is a shamelessly lying bastard to post again, although he declared that he is leaving? :D

What can I leave or where can I go to if Existence is all that there is? And where can I be or not be unless what my reasoning leads me to? And that that “reasoning” is being governed by Causality, Ultimately, does not negate that fact that I AM a thinking THING. Does it?
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Post by Sapius » Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:18 pm

MKFaizi wrote:Leave him alone.

I will miss you, Sapius -- little Seth person.

Faizi
The only logical response that could come from a person that cares less, and yet understands what existence is.

Thanks Marsha.

I'm sure, others will not see it that way, but I am fully aware of your Being, although even you yourself might not accept my description of your being, but however, on the other hand, I can never really know another mind in its fullness, so I better not even attempt.

I still listen to Jagjit Singh, since that first time you mentioned, about 8 years ago. And also to that strange "state altering" music that Leyla had posted a link too, recently; quite soothing.

Generally I don't even click the "worldly matters" link, because honestly I am not capable of talking about "worldly matters" and hence it does not interest me, but essentially, you are right, there is absolutely no difference in discussing any subject at all, “upstairs” or “downstairs”, because the essence of discussing “prostitution" or "enlightenment" is the same, because basically, what is one actually trying to achieve in doing that? Is it not the striving to understand "something"? And that “something” has to necessarily have some meaning and value for that person to start thinking about and over it.

A true thinker necessarily has to think on each and every aspect of existence, and I have already done that in my own head before I started posting here, hence my views will not match those that think differently, hence it will necessarily take on a form of an argument, rather than a discussion; a total waste of time, which I would prefer to spend experiencing existence else where, any ways.
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Post by Nick » Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:26 pm

Sapius wrote: What do you have to say about it now? That Sapius is a shamelessly lying bastard to post again, although he declared that he is leaving? :D
You said it, not me.
Sapius wrote: What can I leave or where can I go to if Existence is all that there is?
I leave and go to different places all the time. For instance, I leave home in order to go to work and vice-versa. Just because we can't escape "existence" doesn't mean we aren't in motion.
Sapius wrote:And where can I be or not be unless what my reasoning leads me to?
You tell me, Sapius.
Sapius wrote:And that that “reasoning” is being governed by Causality, Ultimately, does not negate that fact that I AM a thinking THING. Does it?
That was the point of my original post.

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Post by Diebert van Rhijn » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:49 am

Sapius wrote:What I say in my threads is kind of actually opposite of what everyone says, and since no one actually agrees with me, which tells that I am absolutely alone in what I think, hence there must be something really wrong we me, rather than others. But that too does not actually bother me at all. What can I say…?
Sapius, from my point of view I witnessed you:

a. announcing you were leaving for good but coming back on that.
b. hinting in a farewell post at others enjoying your departure as if there would be some group process going on, "me vs them".
c. suggesting you could be perceived as 'hampering' the Path with your differing opinions, which were not wrong in your opinion, so not actually hampering in your view?

The reason for your posts was not hard to imagine, since your announcement in this thread came not long after a 'fucking' diatribe with Sue 'The Sphinx' and another debate with Scott 'The Warrior' who ended up remarking he didn't understand anything you said. It was only logical to assume you were reacting to an overdose of disagreement, and perhaps to a perceived lack of acceptance of your views.

Sapius, I see in your posts a couple of contradictions (leaving/returning, unspecified 'others', yes/no hampering truth) which point in my opinion to some strong emotions at work. Which is in itself not all that interesting, but your denial, your hiding behind causality, self-sacrifice and all the slamming of doors seems unnecessary and contradicting the understanding you try to teach.

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Post by millipodium » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:51 am

LOL.

There's nothing more entertaining than a drama queen genius!

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Post by Sapius » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:19 am

Nick,
That was the point of my original post.
Of course, I know, and all that I was pointing out was that you did not see exactly just that in my post that preceded your pointing out exactly what I have already said.

Can you see that?

I responded with a rhetorical statement, saying that, YES, that is what I am doing, making a CHOICE, and I gave you my reasoning behind it. Look at it again.
And that that “reasoning” is being governed by Causality, Ultimately, does not negate that fact that I AM a thinking THING. Does it?
Answer, no, it does not, hence I choose.
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Post by Sapius » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:34 am

Diebert van Rhijn wrote:
Sapius wrote:What I say in my threads is kind of actually opposite of what everyone says, and since no one actually agrees with me, which tells that I am absolutely alone in what I think, hence there must be something really wrong we me, rather than others. But that too does not actually bother me at all. What can I say…?
Sapius, from my point of view I witnessed you:

a. announcing you were leaving for good but coming back on that.
b. hinting in a farewell post at others enjoying your departure as if there would be some group process going on, "me vs them".
c. suggesting you could be perceived as 'hampering' the Path with your differing opinions, which were not wrong in your opinion, so not actually hampering in your view?

The reason for your posts was not hard to imagine, since your announcement in this thread came not long after a 'fucking' diatribe with Sue 'The Sphinx' and another debate with Scott 'The Warrior' who ended up remarking he didn't understand anything you said. It was only logical to assume you were reacting to an overdose of disagreement, and perhaps to a perceived lack of acceptance of your views.

Sapius, I see in your posts a couple of contradictions (leaving/returning, unspecified 'others', yes/no hampering truth) which point in my opinion to some strong emotions at work. Which is in itself not all that interesting, but your denial, your hiding behind causality, self-sacrifice and all the slamming of doors seems unnecessary and contradicting the understanding you try to teach.
Diebert, Diebert...
Sapius: don’t look at the complexity, but the simple knowledge acquired through reasoning.
Rather than analyzing how or in which way I choose to do what I do, why don't you actually talk about what I SAY? Philosophical understandings? OR if you think that I have nothing to contribute in that regard, then please say so.
I see in your posts a couple of contradictions
Good, then we can talk about our philosophical standings.
(leaving/returning, unspecified 'others', yes/no hampering truth) which point in my opinion to some strong emotions at work. Which is in itself not all that interesting,
If it is not interesting, then why even talk about it? You have no idea why I did what I did, and my explanations in that regard wouldn't help you in any way, philosophically speaking.

Have you anything to say for or against my thoughts?
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Post by millipodium » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:37 am

I know I'm new here and perhaps should stfu, but since being an ass is part of my nature, I say, sapius, it's so obvious you're a total drama queen. Some people agree with you, some don't at the end of the day, it's just a messageboard, shit or get off the pot, a line is forming.

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Post by Sapius » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:43 am

millipodium wrote:LOL.

There's nothing more entertaining than a drama queen genius!
Yes, I'm laughing out loud too. :D

It takes all kinds to makeup existence, and it takes all kinds to perceive things in their own unique way, however, similarities in thoughts are a common occurrence, otherwise we wouldn’t have flocks.

Welcome! :)
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Post by millipodium » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:45 am

Sapius wrote:
millipodium wrote:LOL.

There's nothing more entertaining than a drama queen genius!
Yes, I'm laughing out loud too. :D

It takes all kinds to makeup existence, and it takes all kinds to perceive things in their own unique way, however, similarities in thoughts are a common occurrence, otherwise we wouldn’t have flocks.

Welcome! :)
I just think you don't really want to leave. I say stay. You'll get to know me better. I'm really cool and stuff.

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Post by Sapius » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:55 am

millipodium wrote:
Sapius wrote:
millipodium wrote:LOL.

There's nothing more entertaining than a drama queen genius!
Yes, I'm laughing out loud too. :D

It takes all kinds to makeup existence, and it takes all kinds to perceive things in their own unique way, however, similarities in thoughts are a common occurrence, otherwise we wouldn’t have flocks.

Welcome! :)
I just think you don't really want to leave. I say stay. You'll get to know me better. I'm really cool and stuff.
Not exactly. I am here for I think 8~9 years. I visit no other sites, absolutely. AND, I have disappeared without giving any notice for months at a time, but I did have a reason to do what I did, and I will surely disappear without giving any notice, for that does not really matter.

It is not that I don't care or that I'm not human enough to display courtesy, I just wanted to see how "feminine" courtesy is, among certain other goals that are clear to me.
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Post by millipodium » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:57 am

Sapius wrote:
millipodium wrote:
Sapius wrote:
millipodium wrote:LOL.

There's nothing more entertaining than a drama queen genius!
Yes, I'm laughing out loud too. :D

It takes all kinds to makeup existence, and it takes all kinds to perceive things in their own unique way, however, similarities in thoughts are a common occurrence, otherwise we wouldn’t have flocks.

Welcome! :)
I just think you don't really want to leave. I say stay. You'll get to know me better. I'm really cool and stuff.
Not exactly. I am here for I think 8~9 years. I visit no other sites, absolutely. AND, I have disappeared without giving any notice for months at a time, but I did have a reason to do what I did, and I will surely disappear without giving any notice, for that does not really matter.

It is not that I don't care or that I'm not human enough to display courtesy, I just wanted to see how "feminine" courtesy is, among certain other goals that are clear to me.
Okey dokey. you're allowed to have your reasons.

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Post by Nick » Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:38 am

Sapius wrote: Of course, I know, and all that I was pointing out was that you did not see exactly just that in my post that preceded your pointing out exactly what I have already said.

Can you see that?

I responded with a rhetorical statement, saying that, YES, that is what I am doing, making a CHOICE, and I gave you my reasoning behind it. Look at it again.
So why didn't you just say you were making a choice and leave casuality out of it? Any moron can recognize that we all do things for one reason or another. To tell us you were making this choice simply because of casualty is redundant and pointless.

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Post by Diebert van Rhijn » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:37 pm

Sapius wrote: Rather than analyzing how or in which way I choose to do what I do, why don't you actually talk about what I SAY? Philosophical understandings? OR if you think that I have nothing to contribute in that regard, then please say so.
This thread you named "a worldly matter". And I tried to analyze your worldly (wordy) matter to see if it could keep up with your philosophical understandings but I fail to see coherency so far.

Too many words, too much vagueness and spinning. It doesn't surprise me. If with this relative simple matter you cannot stay straight, clear and transparent then your "philosophical understandings" will remain convoluted, twisted and unclear as well. Notwithstanding the occasional glimmer of truth shining through in them.
Diebert wrote:(...)some strong emotions at work. Which is in itself not all that interesting,
If it is not interesting, then why even talk about it? You have no idea why I did what I did, and my explanations in that regard wouldn't help you in any way, philosophically speaking.
What interested me, if you'd care to quote me properly, is your lack of explanations, a lack filled with vague conflicting remarks. That's why I asked further detailed explanation
in my first post here. Is it so hard to keep it simple?

You have the right to remain silent and say "non of your business" in which case I wish you all the best, again.

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Post by Sapius » Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:56 am

Nick,
So why didn't you just say you were making a choice and leave causality out of it?
I did mention that I had my reasons, and can you recognize the fact that you are not the only one reading my posts. There are those who take themselves to be literal slaves to causality and do not recognize that causality creates certain attributes within a “thing”, granting them the freedom of being that thing, and yet being governed by it.
Any moron can recognize that we all do things for one reason or another.


You might not agree here… but aren’t reasons causes? How free are “YOU” from causes? Allow me to elaborate….
To tell us you were making this choice simply because of casualty is redundant and pointless.
No, causality is not redundant and pointless at all. It encompasses any and all “things”, but my point has always been that once causality creates a “thing”, it also creates particular attributes within that particular thing. For example a human mind, and one of the attributes of the mind is reasoning, and with that reasoning a mind can say NO or yes; a choice has been made.

Although the “mind” works on the principle of causality, and is hence not an absolutely disconnected entity as far as Totality is concerned, but it is however a mental process of a particular “thing” and not the blind process of causality itself. So although it is true that nothing escapes causality, a causally created mind has the freedom of choice because of IT’S causally created attribute, reasoning.

Diebert,
... but I fail to see coherency so far.
I would really like to clear up things with you, but it is quite late for me, so until tomorrow please.
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Post by Nick » Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:23 am

Sapius wrote: Nick,
Any moron can recognize that we all do things for one reason or another.


You might not agree here… but aren’t reasons causes? How free are “YOU” from causes? Allow me to elaborate….


In that particular statement I was basically explaining how it is redundant to bring up casualty everytime you make a decision. It should be obvious that I meant causes when I used the word reasons.
Sapius wrote: Nick,
To tell us you were making this choice simply because of casualty is redundant and pointless
No, causality is not redundant and pointless at all. It encompasses any and all “things”, but my point has always been that once causality creates a “thing”, it also creates particular attributes within that particular thing. For example a human mind, and one of the attributes of the mind is reasoning, and with that reasoning a mind can say NO or yes; a choice has been made.

Although the “mind” works on the principle of causality, and is hence not an absolutely disconnected entity as far as Totality is concerned, but it is however a mental process of a particular “thing” and not the blind process of causality itself. So although it is true that nothing escapes causality, a causally created mind has the freedom of choice because of IT’S causally created attribute, reasoning.
I didn't say causality itself was redundant or pointless. I was pointing out that the manner in which you brought it up was redundant and pointless. Like I said in my previous post, any moron can recognize that we all do things for one reason (cause/effect) or another.

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Post by MKFaizi » Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:12 pm

Damn.

Dude said he had to go. Why not just leave it like that?

Such vamps.

If you are going to stick around, Sap, change the subject -- otherwise you just have these drama queen cunts hounding you ass.

Take a left turn or something.

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Post by Nick » Sat Aug 05, 2006 5:47 pm

MKFaizi wrote:Damn.

Dude said he had to go. Why not just leave it like that?

Such vamps.

If you are going to stick around, Sap, change the subject -- otherwise you just have these drama queen cunts hounding you ass.

Take a left turn or something.

Faizi
If you used your brain for more than a split second before you made another groundless accusation, as you seem to be doing as of late, you might see that my discussion with Sapius in this thread has little or nothing to do with his actual leaving the forum. Besides, Sapius is a big boy, I don't think he needs mother faizi to get needlessly involved in his discussions with her derogatory comments.

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