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Post by MKFaizi » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:36 pm

Where are the three amigoes lately?

I mistrust a forum where the originators do not post.

Without the wise guidance, it is likely that the forum could dumb down to Joe Dees level. Looks a lot like that now.

Looks like oatmeal.

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Re: QSR

Post by Blair » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:29 pm

MKFaizi wrote:I mistrust a forum where the originators do not post. Faizi
As far as I know, K Solway alone is the 'originator' of this site, and forum. The maintainer/host of it. he posted something only yesterday.

Why would you mistrust it if QRS doesn't post?

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Post by Jamesh » Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:09 pm

My guess is that they are having emotional problems.

I'm serious.

Dan had a go at David and since then David hasn’t posted.

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Is that so? Perhaps you might like to defend that position, Prince.
I have to say that Kevin's and David's chastisement of Zag for his "glib" one-liners doesn't stack up all that well in comparison to their seemingly complete indifference to "Prince"'s forum persona.

I smell hypocrisy and I smell it bad.

So, as an admin, I will warn you, Prince: either engage the discussion meaningfully or prepare for the worst. Either that I will ban David and Kevin from admin duties.

Dan Rowden



It seems there is only so much crap even an enlightened person can take (which of course means they still retain emotions). Personally if I was enlightened I'd be reluctant to continiuosly post responses on forums- I'd only post links to stuff I'd already written.

Earnestness is an interesting emotion, if one chooses to recognise it as such. I've yet to see why a love of truth, and the resulting earnestness, is not just delusion, which is why I remain a nihilist (my definition of nihilism is simply that it is a more or less complete lack of purpose, as caused by understanding the reality of the futility of a beings Will to Power).

I watched a crappy family movie the other day, "Secondhand Lions". The key point of the film was - "sometimes men have to believe in things they know to not be true". I can't but help think that is true.

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Post by Tharan » Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:10 pm

What has been written lately that could motivate new scribblings; Nemo's loud Guzzi or the post about dolphins and planets in celestial motion? Artistic philosophy?

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Post by frank » Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:00 pm

Jamesh wrote:
Earnestness is an interesting emotion, if one chooses to recognise it as such. I've yet to see why a love of truth, and the resulting earnestness, is not just delusion, which is why I remain a nihilist (my definition of nihilism is simply that it is a more or less complete lack of purpose, as caused by understanding the reality of the futility of a beings Will to Power).

I watched a crappy family movie the other day, "Secondhand Lions". The key point of the film was - "sometimes men have to believe in things they know to not be true". I can't but help think that is true.
Well that's the point isn't it?
Of the problem of Human Being's reptilian behaviour..that the ability of people to persist or survive was threatened.
Meaning Makers got around to making meaning that would regulate Human's behaviour..to enhance the chances of surviving. People had to be put under a spell...herded into a collective 'Social Hypnosis'.
The way it was done was to invent an afterlife...a scenario where transgressions were written down in a little black book and paid for later...and selfless deeds are noted in the little white book for reward later...you know, after dying and in that way reincarnation was invented.
heck, if you don't watch out you could come back as a dung beetle...hehe
Reward/Punishment....Carrot/Stick.

It was done not to describe Truth but to regulate Behaviour.

It is Social Hypnosis.
It's to get people behaving nicely.

It's what Nietsche was railing about..how free thinking men get suppressed in prevailing forms of Social Hypnosis...why he rejected conventional morality, socialism, communism...why he rejected any form of 'social hypnosis' or herding...he ventured that conflict, chaos should be the value..

All Social Institutions are effectively Human Behaviour regulation systems...literary Fictions...man-made inventions to somehow assist the survival of the species...but at the cost of People 'becoming' more outstanding versions of themselves and experiencing reality properly...

It's a problem.

Different Brands of Social Hypnosis compete today for Market Force Leverage...and they run programs like 'populate or perish' to get bigger herds or strength in numbers...now the Earth is struggling to 'carry' the No.1 Virus (Human)...so a huge 'cull' will have to be instituted...
"sometimes men have to believe in things they know to not be true". I can't but help think that is true.
You don't have to believe in it...just recognise it.

It's empty and meaningless
That
It's empty and meaningless

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Post by Blair » Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:24 pm

I hear the strains of an electric guitar, I hear the sound of a certain song in my head, I think it might be Journey..


Just a small town girl, livin' in a lonely world
She took the midnight train goin' anywhere...
Just a city boy, born and raised in South Detroit
He took the midnight train goin' anywhere...

A singer in a smoky room, the smell of wine and cheap perfume
For a smile they can share the night
It goes on and on and on and on...

Strangers waiting, up and down the boulevard
Their shadows searching in the night
Streetlight people, living just to find emotion
Hiding, somewhere in the night

Working hard to get my fill, everybody wants a thrill
Payin' anything to roll the dice, just one more time
Some will win, some will lose
Some were born to sing the blues
Oh, the movie never ends
It goes on and on and on and on

Don't stop believin'
Hold on to the feelin'
Streetlight people

Don't stop believin'
Hold on to the feelin'
Streetlight people

Don't stop believin'
Hold on to the feelin'
Streetlight people


hehe

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Post by DHodges » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:05 pm

Jamesh wrote: The key point of the film was - "sometimes men have to believe in things they know to not be true". I can't but help think that is true.
Is it possible to believe something you know isn't true? I guess you suppress your conscious knowledge, but you still know it subconsciously.

People often do that, but why do you think they have to do that? It seems to go against the whole idea of valuing truth and ridding the mind of delusion.

It seems to me you would do that if there was something you valued more than truth - something you are willing to sacrifice truth in order to attain. What would that be? Happiness? Family? Money? Sex?

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Re: QSR

Post by Diebert van Rhijn » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:00 pm

MKFaizi wrote:Where are the three amigoes lately?

I mistrust a forum where the originators do not post.

Without the wise guidance, it is likely that the forum could dumb down to Joe Dees level. Looks a lot like that now.
I mistrust anyone craving for such guidance.

Especially someone who is wise enough to outpost the originators if she wanted. Let your elephant out of the enclosure in your backyard, Faizi! Afraid of your porcelain? (You do know elephants are symbols of enlightenment in Pakistani/Hindu culture, don't you?).

It doesn't matter if you are a dog snapping at heels or a dog licking boots. You still remain a dog.
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Post by Dan Rowden » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:01 pm

Jamesh wrote:My guess is that they are having emotional problems.

I'm serious.

Dan had a go at David and since then David hasn’t posted.
My my, we do love gossip, don't we. Yes, I thought Dave's and Kev's remonstrations of Zag whilst ignoring Prince's behaviour was rather hypocritical. Over a cople of beers David did make the point that the frequency of Zag's posting is what made it more of an issue, which is a point I hadn't really thought about. The reason David hasn't been posting of late is because his computer is down. Kevin I don't know about. And me, well, I'm doing oher things, plus most of my time here is spent getting rid of spam registrations. It's almost become a full ime job.

Anyway, if you guys can't conduct intelligent conversations without our constant input, what hope is there for you?


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Post by unwise » Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:51 am

DVR said this on the QRS thread (which I call the QVC):
Especially someone who is wise enough to outpost the originators if she wanted. Let your elephant out of the enclosure in your backyard, Faizi! Afraid of your porcelain? (You do know elephants are symbols of enlightenment in Pakistani/Hindu culture, don't you?).
Yes, excellent! The elephant is the symbol of the enlightened man. Contemplate THAT you nitwits.

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Post by frank » Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:44 am

D.Hodges:
Is it possible to believe something you know isn't true? I guess you suppress your conscious knowledge, but you still know it subconsciously.

People often do that, but why do you think they have to do that? It seems to go against the whole idea of valuing truth and ridding the mind of delusion.

It seems to me you would do that if there was something you valued more than truth - something you are willing to sacrifice truth in order to attain. What would that be? Happiness? Family? Money? Sex?
You believe you are D. Hodges.
You believe you are American.
You even believe it's 2006.

All fiction!
Why?....in order to.....fit in...

dream on.

frank

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Post by MKFaizi » Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:51 pm

I lived with Muslims. I never heard of an elephant being a symbol for enlightenment. Sounds Hindu.

I am not religious or a believer of any kind. The decorated elephant I saw in a dream was just an elephant.

Meaningless.

Faizi

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Post by Jamesh » Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:20 pm

And me, well, I'm doing other things, plus most of my time here is spent getting rid of spam registrations. It's almost become a full time job.

Surely this is a massive exaggeration.

Anyway, if you guys can't conduct intelligent conversations without our constant input, what hope is there for you?

There is the same degree of hope for anyone, enlightened or not. I don’t desire enlightenment, I don’t sufficiently believe in it. I do hope for something though – I think I hope for developing courage, which for me is prolly impossible to achieve as one first needs to be emotionally involved in seeking some sort of end result.

Also, you dudes are so fundamentalist that ONLY those conversations that agree with what you've said before are considered intelligent. Another mark of fundamentalist delusion.

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Post by Jamesh » Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:41 pm

DaveH
Is it possible to believe something you know isn't true? I guess you suppress your conscious knowledge, but you still know it subconsciously.

I don’t know the answer to this. Personally I think the QRS believe in something they know not to be true – the “absolute truths” they express are not absolute, and I am sure they know this.

People often do that, but why do you think they have to do that? It seems to go against the whole idea of valuing truth and ridding the mind of delusion.

Sure, it is the opposite.

Why are you convinced that delusion is such a bad thing? As far as I am concerned once you are dead there is no you, so just as one who knows this knows they will feel nothing once they die, how the hell can one develop a love of truth. Truth is only valuable if it is usable. As you know if you get into truth deep enough, there can be no real ascetic value in valuing truth, nor can there be any non-delusional regard for the future of the human race – I mean why would one give a shit!!

It seems to me you would do that if there was something you valued more than truth - something you are willing to sacrifice truth in order to attain. What would that be? Happiness? Family? Money? Sex?

I would sacrifice truth in an instant for lasting happiness. At our level we can ignore what the QRS and others say about happiness (different for beginners though), they are simply wrong about the nature of being a temporary being.

Above a certain level of understanding, Truth is not something that a temporary being holistically gains much out of – this is why the concept of enlightenment has been imagined and promulgated – it is to give a person a goal, to give them a purpose, and for them to find happiness in doing things that lead towards meeting that goal. The more truth one know the less one is able to find happiness in the common emotions, so something has to be invented to assume the role of a desire.

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Post by MKFaizi » Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:55 pm

All righty, then.

I accept the concensus. The elephant is out of the roost.

I am enlightened, despite being a fucktard and borderline retarded.

Here I've been raking myself over coals for about nine years when all I ever had to do was to take some Zoloft and dream up one elephant -- with pearls in its tail, even; and three scarlet stripes on each cheek.

Just like that. I had no idea and here I am.

The queen is dead. Long live QUEEN.

MAMA -- JUST KILLED A MAN -- PUT A GUN AGAINST HIS HEAD, PULLED THE TRIGGER NOW HE'S DEAD. MAMA -- OOOOOEEEOOH.

I see it all now. It's been WAYNE'S WORLD all along -- just I didn't know.

I see a little silhouetto of a man,
Scaramouche,scaramouche will you do the Fandango-
Thunderbolt and lightning-very very frightening me-
Galileo,Galileo,
Galileo Galileo
Galileo figaro-Magnifico-
But I'm just a poor boy and nobody loves me-
He's just a poor boy from a poor family-
Spare him his life from this monstrosity-
Easy come easy go-,will you let me go-
Bismillah! No-,we will not let you go-let him go-
Bismillah! We will not let you go-let him go
Bismillah! We will not let you go-let me go
Will not let you go-let me go
Will not let you go let me go
No,no,no,no,no,no,no-
Mama mia,mama mia,mama mia let me go-
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me,for me,for me-


I really like the Bismillah part. Good Islmamic relic. Dude was from India.

HHaahahhahahhahahhahhAhhahahhahahhahha..etc.

Faizi

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Post by MKFaizi » Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:06 pm

Also, you dudes are so fundamentalist that ONLY those conversations that agree with what you've said before are considered intelligent. Another mark of fundamentalist delusion.
That only goes to a point -- like nine or ten years. After that, it's all Wayne's World and a painted elephant.

Just drop some Zoloft and see what happens. You get an elephant in your scope and you got it.

Personally, I kind of loathe Hinduism. Too gaudy. Kind of stupid. But what the hell?

I got the elephant and I am enlightened. I am not going to argue with it. If a fucktard and borderline retarded female can reach the pinnacle -- well, the sky is the limit.

Everyone writing here should grind themselves into tiny shards of glass for nine years and dream about one painted elephant. That's all it takes.

Kind of like winning the lottery. Once you get there, you don't give a shit.

I don't give a shit.

Faizi

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Post by Dan Rowden » Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:55 pm

Jamesh wrote:And me, well, I'm doing other things, plus most of my time here is spent getting rid of spam registrations. It's almost become a full time job.

Surely this is a massive exaggeration.
You are being a smartarse, Jimbo. Give it up already. Most of my time here is, in fact, taken up with that kind of crap. All that really means is at the moment I'm not spending all that much time here. But, you would be surpised at how bad this new form of spamming has become.
Anyway, if you guys can't conduct intelligent conversations without our constant input, what hope is there for you?

There is the same degree of hope for anyone, enlightened or not.
Hope for what, exactly?
I don’t desire enlightenment, I don’t sufficiently believe in it. I do hope for something though – I think I hope for developing courage, which for me is prolly impossible to achieve as one first needs to be emotionally involved in seeking some sort of end result.
Then what is all your bluster and pontificating about? Just having fun?
Also, you dudes are so fundamentalist that ONLY those conversations that agree with what you've said before are considered intelligent. Another mark of fundamentalist delusion.
Actually, you're the one who has become a fundie; you just don't see it.


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Post by Dan Rowden » Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:02 pm

Jamesh wrote: Personally I think the QRS believe in something they know not to be true – the “absolute truths” they express are not absolute, and I am sure they know this.
Please give an example. If you can't, then what are you talking about?
I would sacrifice truth in an instant for lasting happiness. At our level we can ignore what the QRS and others say about happiness (different for beginners though), they are simply wrong about the nature of being a temporary being.
There's no such thing as lasting happiness. You clearly have failed to understand what "happiness" entails. What you mean bu the last statement about "temporary being" is anyone's guess.

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Post by Jamesh » Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:37 pm

And me, well, I'm doing other things, plus most of my time here is spent getting rid of spam registrations. It's almost become a full time job.

Surely this is a massive exaggeration.


I see what you mean just lately - this site looks like it is being attacked by people who hold some form of religious view. They seem to be out to destroy the site. delete all threads with caps for a start.

I wonder if some of the clowns are folks from Pye's courses, who get a bit upset with being dismissed?

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Post by Pye » Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:44 pm

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Jamesh writes:
I wonder if some of the clowns are folks from Pye's courses, who get a bit upset with being dismissed?
Students inquire of me all sorts of things for which they do not follow through -- what's a good book to supplement the course; where's a good place to discuss [in this case, Buddhist ideas & enlightenment] on the net, etc. Last semester was the first time in answer to the latter request that I gave out the names of two sites, Genius Forum one of them, to a whopping 3 students who asked, all of them from the Eastern Philosophy class, all of them at independent times. And each of them felt themselves seriously moved toward Buddhism, too, as each of them demonstrated through their involvement in the class.

I suspect, Jamesh, that the pool of internet clowns is far larger in the world at large than the 3 people who asked.


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