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Post by frank » Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:58 pm

Cory wrote:
Your right - there really is no right and wrong.
OK.

Then the rest of your post goes on to say there is.

Apollo Dionysius

higher quality actions lower, crude forms of action

superior manifestations inferior manifestations

On this Forum..the conflict of 'opposites' shows up in nigh on every post...
Masculine/feminine
Man/Woman
Good/Bad
Light/Dark
Intellect/Senses
Void/Drama

It's hilarious!

Posters appear to be caused to advocate a ''point of orientation' on a perceived polarity..

Let's use Intellect v Senses

Intellect................................................................Senses

You would be over on the Intellect side Cory, I guess....unwise would be more toward the Senses...

Wherever you are is a 'tension point' between the Opposites.

That's the place you talk from...Live from...'hold' as the 'correct position'...Judge from...

There is nothing wrong with this..prior causes in your experience place you there...it is not a reason to make you or another 'feel' guilty...

Wherever you are 'feels' like home..you seek pals with a similar orientation and 'beat up' on Other orientations together.

That's the Drama...perp, rescue, victim.

Enlightenment, if that's the right word, is integrating the Opposites as they appear in yourself...
You will have a deeply, devout 'Choir Boy' longing for purity, mental clarity, pristine intent, precise knowledge...as a part of your Mind..
You will have a 'Wild Man' Archetype that wants freedom from responsibility...wants adventure.

Acknowledge these 'things' in yourself as they arise...they both require expression...

Rejecting either of these in yourself defeats you.

In terms of projection, when you are perping or criticising Dionysius in Another...what's being told is 'you are rejecting Dionysius in yourself'....Dionysius being pushed into Shadow...

A recognition and balance of these 'opposites' in your Mind is possible.

What is the Payoff in extolling Apollo as 'God'?
What will you get?
It's obviously some perceived Power thing for that's what Apollo is about....Ruling...

frank

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Post by unwise » Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:59 pm

T:
And if you had arrived on your "loud Guzzi," I most likely would have ignored you. I have no interest in your penis.

But if you bought me a beer and admitted you were living a fantasy, I would have welcomed you wholeheartedly.
My penis? What is wrong with you people? Seriously, just because I have a motorcycle you think this means i need to show off? What about the possibility that I like to ride? You guys are fucked up. What fantasy am I living? Don't you understanding that you are projecting your own ideas onto me? Really, don't you even get that?

Faz:
As for me, you would not be able to convince me. Fifty year old men still make me want to throw up.
That's an odd statement. The girl is not a prostitute. You think all 50-year-old guys are gross? How about Pierce Brosnan? I could probably name twenty movie guys that are over 50 that most women still find attractive. George Clooney? Come on. I look like I am in my 30s in real life.

Frank:
In terms of projection, when you are perping or criticizing Dionysius in Another...what's being told is 'you are rejecting Dionysius in yourself'....Dionysius being pushed into Shadow...

A recognition and balance of these 'opposites' in your Mind is possible.

What is the Payoff in extolling Apollo as 'God'?
What will you get?
It's obviously some perceived Power thing for that's what Apollo is about....Ruling...
Frankie boy is kicking much ass. How can you deny his words? Don't you understand them? How simple. By the way, I would not put myself 'more toward the Dionysius end of the scale.' I would not even put myself in the middle between Apollo and Dionysisus. I would say that the integration of enlightenment fully activates THE FULL SCALE, and not a simple point on the scale. It is like most people are playing a handful of notes on the piano. The enlightened person is playing all 88 ivories.

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Post by Tharan » Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:44 pm

unwise Nemotode wrote,
Really, don't you even get that?
And don't you get I'm just trying twist your titties a bit?

/chuckles

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Post by Tomas » Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:10 am

Keep me updated on the Mt. St. Helens road trip.

Been there many times- before the big-bang of 1980 and after.

Thanks,

Tomas (the tank)
VietNam veteran - 1971

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Post by unwise » Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:07 am

Tomas, do you ride a bike? I'll take lots of pics. I notice that you are a Vietnam Vet. I have two brothers who went to West Point. Here is a pic of my younger brother. He is a full bird Colonel and is up for promotion to General. Here he is in Iraq:

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I think he said he had about 4,000 troops under his command. Here are some of them:

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I am against the war over there because its a Zionist operation with the help of Masons and Skull and Bones boys. My brother, as an officer, does not get involved in the politics of things. I'm proud of him because I have a good memory of where he came from. He's an outstanding, fearless person and gentleman - and sharp as a razor.

My older brother is also a retired Colonel - a tank commander. Man, does he have some stories. I've learned some interesting things from these guys. Some of it secret info.

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Post by MKFaizi » Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:22 pm

Nemie wrote:
That's an odd statement. The girl is not a prostitute. You think all 50-year-old guys are gross? How about Pierce Brosnan? I could probably name twenty movie guys that are over 50 that most women still find attractive. George Clooney? Come on. I look like I am in my 30s in real life.
Not so odd. Most men over fifty are gross.

Would you be coming here bragging about a fifty year old woman picking you up? I doubt it.

George Clooney is forty five. Five years to go.

No fifty year old man looks thirty. You may kid yourself that you look thirty but, trust me, you don't.

My eighteen year old daughter would say that you are a pervert. I watched a fifty year old man come on to her once. Utterly disgusting. Kind of like an old junkie slobbering over a doughnut.

Faizi

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Post by unwise » Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:01 pm

I didn't say I looked 30, but I DO look 38. This is the age most people guess for me. That 28 year old chickie went home with me willingly, and called me a week later wondering where I was. I did NOT have to offer her jelly beans. People my age look like my father.

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Post by MKFaizi » Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:17 pm

You can kid yourself that you look thirty eight but my guess is that you look fifty. I see hundreds of people in a week and I have never seen a fifty year old man who looked less than fifty.

I think your twenty eight year old chick wanted money. She would work your ego.

Recently, in this small town, a twenty year old pregnant woman got a seventy year old man to buy her a car. I don't think she had to give him a blow job. She just has this great cleavage. I mean, that is enough for a seventy year old guy. All she had to do was lean over the table.

Fifty year old men are gross because they think that they look thirty eight.

To an eighteen or twenty year old, thirty eight is gross. Plain nasty.

My daughter recently attracted a twenty-four year old man. She considers him old. Acceptable but kind of old.

You are old., Nemo.

You ride up on a flashy bike in your little suit and the chicks are going to think, "How can I work him? He thinks he is a thirty eight year old stud. What can I get out of him?"

If you are fifty, you look fifty -- especially in that little riding suit.

Faizi

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Post by MKFaizi » Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:19 pm

Do you take Viagra or Levitra or Ciallis?

Faizi

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Post by DHodges » Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:11 am

I have two motorcycles, a 1998 Honda Nighthawk 750 and a 1981 Honda CM400C. They are very ordinary bikes, no big deal. I just like to ride.

I'm not such a fast rider that having a high tech sport bike would really make any difference. (I think about getting a new bike now and then, but there's not really any reason to.) Since most of my riding is just going to work and going home, I'm not in that huge of a hurry. I just want to enjoy the ride, while I can.

I don't ride with other people. Sometimes I ride with my dog. He likes to go to the park.

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Post by unwise » Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:30 am

F:
Do you take Viagra or Levitra or Ciallis?
No, and I don't know who is taking this stuff. I always figured it was for men with diabetes who couldn't get their junk to work. I don't get it. I didn't know there was such a thing as men who couldn't get it up.

I just saw a commercial on TV. I think it was Jenny Craig or something. They showed a 50-year-old woman in a bikini walking around and talking. She looked quite fine. Even my 18-year-old son thought so. Paula Abdul has got to be close to 50. She's quiet hot. He calls them MILFS - 'Mothers I'd Like to Fuck.' Common term. It's no secret that some people are blessed in the genes department.

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Post by MKFaizi » Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:28 pm

I work in a doctor's office. It is not many diabetics who take the ED drugs -- erectile dysfunction to you. It is a lot of the young healthy looking dudes. Go figure.

Then, you get the eighty year olds with testicular cancer or prostate cancer. Never can figure why they think they need it. My guess is they just want to gaze on it -- just to see the thing in possible action. Just the private pleasure of a hard on. We let 'em have it. Give 'em samples.

The only fifty year old women who wear bikinis are the ones who have had surgery. They look pretty stretched. I know a lot of fifty plus year old women who look good but not bikini good. If you go on the beach, it is the very obese fifty year old women who go out in a bikini. The better looking ones would not be caught dead in one.

That is called good taste or discretion. You don't see much of that on a beach.

A bikini looks good on a slim or voluptuously slim young woman. Key word -- young. Not fake young. Truly young.

Old men like young women. I have long been aware that young men can find older women attractive.

My kids are eighteen and sixteen. I am not interested in bouncing a baby boy on my knee -- or bouncing an old man, for that matter.

I greatly enjoy living alone.

Faizi

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Post by unwise » Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:33 pm

Sometimes personality overcomes looks and age. One of my favorite girlfriends, Bunny, was not very good looking, but she was so funny and fun to be around I didn't notice. She was dazzling. Full of energy, sexy, witty. Great great laugh. It is like there was a ball of light around her and she appeared beautiful.

Another time this happened was with a 88 year-old-woman. We were all amazed by her. She looked about 70, but the amazing thing was her zest and energy. She knew exactly what was going on and was even familiar with current rock music. She had travelled the world and done about everything. She even flirted with us and told dirty jokes. She must have really been something when young, because she was STILL good looking. As she was, she was cool enough to go to a club with and have a good time.

Another time when I was 30 one of my friends had a ten-year-old daughter, Ruthy. Yes, she was cute, of course, but there was something angelic and rare about her. And, she really liked me. I played catch with her and we had talks. I was falling in love with her. There was really something about her that I could not resist. I never touched her or kissed her or said anything at all seemly. But my feelings were very much touched by her spirit. I didn't want to be some sort of pediphile so I moved and never saw her again. I sometimes thought about seeing her when she turned 18, but I never did.

I was twenty years older than Viraja and she wanted to marry me. So, it is more than age and looks that appeal to people.

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Post by unwise » Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:47 pm

Frank and Unwise are perfect examples of how the efforts, attitudes and outputs of counter culture literary figures such as Kerouac, Burroughs, Ginsberg and others have been entirely misued and abused (not like there was even much wisdom in their attitudes, works, and words to begin with).
Now that's really funny. I met Ginsberg at the Crocodile Cafe in Seattle. He was hanging out with some young naive groupies and homos who thought he was something. All he was was a jew trouble maker and homo - Burroughs was a termite exterminator and heroin addict. Kerouac was a pussy and hanger-on. No leader. All Commies and lovers of hand-outs and the dole.

Why would someone like me follow those losers?

MKFaizi

Post by MKFaizi » Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:28 pm

Nemo wrote:
Burroughs was a termite exterminator and heroin addict.
Also, an excellent writer. I ain't sayin he was wise or nothin. But dude was a good writer. I read "Naked Lunch" when I was about fourteen. 1966. I still like the book.

Faizi

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Post by MKFaizi » Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:31 pm

Back in the sixties, Jew homo trouble makers were in high demand. A necessary evil.

Faizi

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Post by unwise » Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:40 pm

I'm starting to like this Faizi. I like the cut of your jib. Do you put out?

MKFaizi

Post by MKFaizi » Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:31 pm

No, I do not put out. I used to like to look at men from a distance. Now, that is even too much effort. I like living alone. I like being alone. I do not allow men on my property. I would probably shoot a man who had the nerve to set foot on my property or to come near me.

No, I am not a lesbian. I do not find females attractive. I do not find anyone or anything attractive.

If I have love or attachment, I have love of privacy and solitude. That is it. I do not want any human in my life. I don't want help. I don't want sympathy. If I get cancer, I want to die alone. I don't want hospice and I don't want to be hospitalized.

The only thing I have not figured out is how to dispose of my own carcass once I am dead. If I am fortunate, I will realize that I am dying in time to crawl out to the woods so that animals can eat my body. I do not want to be either cremated or buried.

I prefer to live alone and I prefer to die alone.

I do not hate humans or love them. My job and my mission is to do as much for other humans as I possibly can. Not for thanks. Not to become Mother Theresa. Just because it is my job and my so called purpose. It is my compulsion. I am driven to do this.

I like my life alone. I like living apart and I love solitude.

I don't put out.

Faizi

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