An honest academic being corralled into submission to
An honest academic being corralled into submission to
irrational political correctness. I like the guy - he seems determined to fight against this herd behaviour.
Academic still links Africans to crime
Academic Andrew Fraser will defy the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission by not apologising to the Sudanese community for his study linking African refugees to high crime rates.
In a landmark ruling that raises fresh questions about the limits to which academics can engage in public debate, HREOC chairman John von Doussa has found Professor Fraser's comments were unlawful because they amounted to a "sweeping generalisation" that was not backed by research. Professor Fraser was suspended last year from teaching at Sydney's Macquarie University over his comments about Sudanese refugees in Australia. Sudanese Darfurian Union secretary Safi Hareer complained to the human rights commission that Professor Fraser breached the Racial Discrimination Act in a letter published in the Parramatta Sun newspaper. The letter said experience showed an expanding black population was a "sure-fire recipe" for increased crime and violence.
In a letter received by Professor Fraser yesterday, Mr von Doussa rejected his submission that his comments were made for "genuine academic purposes in the public interest". Mr von Doussa said while the legislation allowed for fair comment on matters of public interest and for genuine academic discussion, the comments were not made with "sufficient constraints and proportionality". Comments for academic purposes were expected to reflect standards such as balanced arguments and be well-researched, but Professor Fraser had made "sweeping generalisations" not supported by research. Mr von Doussa asked Professor Fraser to respond to Mr Hareer's demand that he publish a public apology to members of the Sudanese community acknowledging that he had engaged in unlawful conduct.
But Professor Fraser said he would not apologise to anyone. "Even those who disagree with me should be appalled at this attack on the freedom of academic debate," he said. "This gives the lie to all those politicians who've claimed that racial hatred legislation would not curb freedom of expression in Australia."
Mr Hareer's lawyer, George Newhouse, said he would discuss with his client the prospect of pursuing the matter in the Federal Court. "This is not a question of freedom of speech," Mr Newhouse said. "This is about how far you can go in spewing your bile on other people because of the colour of their skin." NSW Jewish Board of Deputies president David Knoll, who helped Mr Hareer prepare his complaint, hailed the HREOC decision as an important milestone. "I have no difficulty with legitimate academic discourse but there is no such thing as freedom of hatred," Mr Knoll said.
But Council for Civil Liberties president Terry O'Gorman said the decision was disturbing. "Freedom of speech does not just mean the freedom to express views which concur with your views," Mr O'Gorman said. "Extremist views fall under the umbrella of freedom of speech."
Academic still links Africans to crime
Academic Andrew Fraser will defy the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission by not apologising to the Sudanese community for his study linking African refugees to high crime rates.
In a landmark ruling that raises fresh questions about the limits to which academics can engage in public debate, HREOC chairman John von Doussa has found Professor Fraser's comments were unlawful because they amounted to a "sweeping generalisation" that was not backed by research. Professor Fraser was suspended last year from teaching at Sydney's Macquarie University over his comments about Sudanese refugees in Australia. Sudanese Darfurian Union secretary Safi Hareer complained to the human rights commission that Professor Fraser breached the Racial Discrimination Act in a letter published in the Parramatta Sun newspaper. The letter said experience showed an expanding black population was a "sure-fire recipe" for increased crime and violence.
In a letter received by Professor Fraser yesterday, Mr von Doussa rejected his submission that his comments were made for "genuine academic purposes in the public interest". Mr von Doussa said while the legislation allowed for fair comment on matters of public interest and for genuine academic discussion, the comments were not made with "sufficient constraints and proportionality". Comments for academic purposes were expected to reflect standards such as balanced arguments and be well-researched, but Professor Fraser had made "sweeping generalisations" not supported by research. Mr von Doussa asked Professor Fraser to respond to Mr Hareer's demand that he publish a public apology to members of the Sudanese community acknowledging that he had engaged in unlawful conduct.
But Professor Fraser said he would not apologise to anyone. "Even those who disagree with me should be appalled at this attack on the freedom of academic debate," he said. "This gives the lie to all those politicians who've claimed that racial hatred legislation would not curb freedom of expression in Australia."
Mr Hareer's lawyer, George Newhouse, said he would discuss with his client the prospect of pursuing the matter in the Federal Court. "This is not a question of freedom of speech," Mr Newhouse said. "This is about how far you can go in spewing your bile on other people because of the colour of their skin." NSW Jewish Board of Deputies president David Knoll, who helped Mr Hareer prepare his complaint, hailed the HREOC decision as an important milestone. "I have no difficulty with legitimate academic discourse but there is no such thing as freedom of hatred," Mr Knoll said.
But Council for Civil Liberties president Terry O'Gorman said the decision was disturbing. "Freedom of speech does not just mean the freedom to express views which concur with your views," Mr O'Gorman said. "Extremist views fall under the umbrella of freedom of speech."
An earlier article - they didn't really stand by him when it came to the crunch did they.
Academic stirs fight over race
By Tim Dick
July 16, 2005
Macquarie University is standing by a senior academic who opposes non-white immigration, arguing that academics must be free to say what they wish, while also distancing itself from his views and declaring racism abhorrent.
An associate professor in the Department of Public Law, Andrew Fraser, claims that African migration increases crime, says HSC results point to a rising ruling class of Asians and wants Australia to withdraw from refugee conventions to avoid becoming "a colony of the Third World".
Associate Professor Fraser, originally from Canada, believes cognitive and athletic abilities, testosterone and "impulse control" vary according to race, and "civilisations" should look after their own.
The university said yesterday it was "distancing" itself from Associate Professor Fraser's views but backed the right of academics to say what they wish in a "responsible" way.
The acting Vice-Chancellor, Professor John Loxton, said there was no place for racism at the university, but it "recognises and protects academic freedom as essential to the conduct of teaching, research and scholarship".
After seeing a photograph of a Sudanese child in the Parramatta Sun, Associate Professor Fraser wrote to the newspaper saying "an expanding black population is a sure-fire recipe for increases in crime, violence and a wide range of other social problems".
"The fact is that ordinary Australians are being pushed down the path to national suicide by their own political, religious and economic elites."
Associate Professor Fraser wrote in an email to a Woollahra councillor, David Shoebridge, that Chinese immigration directly threatened the "social, political and economic interests of ordinary Australians and their children".
"Look at the annual HSC results - the consequence of which is that Oz is creating a new heavily Asian managerial-professional, ruling class that will feel no hesitation … in promoting the narrow interests of their co-ethnics at the expense of white Australians."
Associate Professor Fraser told the Herald it was only the "educated middle class" who opposed his views. "I think most ordinary people would find what I'm saying more or less self-evident," he said. [of course it is]
Academic stirs fight over race
By Tim Dick
July 16, 2005
Macquarie University is standing by a senior academic who opposes non-white immigration, arguing that academics must be free to say what they wish, while also distancing itself from his views and declaring racism abhorrent.
An associate professor in the Department of Public Law, Andrew Fraser, claims that African migration increases crime, says HSC results point to a rising ruling class of Asians and wants Australia to withdraw from refugee conventions to avoid becoming "a colony of the Third World".
Associate Professor Fraser, originally from Canada, believes cognitive and athletic abilities, testosterone and "impulse control" vary according to race, and "civilisations" should look after their own.
The university said yesterday it was "distancing" itself from Associate Professor Fraser's views but backed the right of academics to say what they wish in a "responsible" way.
The acting Vice-Chancellor, Professor John Loxton, said there was no place for racism at the university, but it "recognises and protects academic freedom as essential to the conduct of teaching, research and scholarship".
After seeing a photograph of a Sudanese child in the Parramatta Sun, Associate Professor Fraser wrote to the newspaper saying "an expanding black population is a sure-fire recipe for increases in crime, violence and a wide range of other social problems".
"The fact is that ordinary Australians are being pushed down the path to national suicide by their own political, religious and economic elites."
Associate Professor Fraser wrote in an email to a Woollahra councillor, David Shoebridge, that Chinese immigration directly threatened the "social, political and economic interests of ordinary Australians and their children".
"Look at the annual HSC results - the consequence of which is that Oz is creating a new heavily Asian managerial-professional, ruling class that will feel no hesitation … in promoting the narrow interests of their co-ethnics at the expense of white Australians."
Associate Professor Fraser told the Herald it was only the "educated middle class" who opposed his views. "I think most ordinary people would find what I'm saying more or less self-evident," he said. [of course it is]
Andrew Fraser's article in defence of the historical White Australia Policy recently banned from publication by Deakin University.
http://users.bigpond.net.au/jonjayray/fraser.html
http://users.bigpond.net.au/jonjayray/fraser.html
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But what would be in store for him, if he wrote this instead?
"Dear Editor,
"I currently hold the Blavatsky Chair of Human Rights and Indigenous Feminist Studies at So-and-So-Universities-for-Millionaires, and have been a senior research fellow for thirty years in various branches of the Big-Group-of-3 Universities.
"I respond to the issue of this esteemed newspaper, which featured a cover-photo of a little girl. My studies, and long experience, demonstrate that little girls are 99% likely to cause high intellectual degradation rates in adults. This causal link is no joke.
"Many of my own tests clearly demonstrate that adults who are subjected to experiences of little girls display lowered intellectual clarity afterwards, for a significant period.
"It has been suggested that little girls do not play a role in the lives of adults with intellectually demanding jobs. However, peer reviews of my journal submissions have disagreed with this conclusion, although the common folk agree."
Yours sincerely,
Andrew Fraser
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But what would be in store for him, if he wrote this instead?
"Dear Editor,
"I currently hold the Blavatsky Chair of Human Rights and Indigenous Feminist Studies at So-and-So-Universities-for-Millionaires, and have been a senior research fellow for thirty years in various branches of the Big-Group-of-3 Universities.
"I respond to the issue of this esteemed newspaper, which featured a cover-photo of a little girl. My studies, and long experience, demonstrate that little girls are 99% likely to cause high intellectual degradation rates in adults. This causal link is no joke.
"Many of my own tests clearly demonstrate that adults who are subjected to experiences of little girls display lowered intellectual clarity afterwards, for a significant period.
"It has been suggested that little girls do not play a role in the lives of adults with intellectually demanding jobs. However, peer reviews of my journal submissions have disagreed with this conclusion, although the common folk agree."
Yours sincerely,
Andrew Fraser
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On the subject of racial differences, the article has this footnote:
Inasmuch as physical racial differences become distinct over thousands of years, then you could say that race plays a part in intelligence, but if we had plonked 1,000 Asians into Western Europe 40,000 years ago, I doubt current Western Europeans would be much different in character and disposition. The fact that Western Europeans hail from the same Indo-European stock as Indians for me has little bearing on their development - it was the thousands of years of conditioning in that environment that determined them. You just can't get away with a Russian or Asian mindset in that kind of environment, it's much tighter with less room for free play, and it's a more densely-packed evolve-or-perish world.
North-Western Europe would have been the toughest environment of these for humans to evolve in. People would have had to look within more than without for survival, due to the harsh climate, isolated and fragmented geography, and less opportunity for trade. Humans evolving in Russia or Africa would have had an easier time, and so didn't have to do as much inner development or evolution.Note that Sailer's definition of "race" as an inbred extended family, means that some such descent groups are closely related, such as Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland while others, such as the classic continental races (Africans, Europeans and East Asians), that evolved separately for 40,000 years or so were relatively remote from each other, both genetically and geographically.
Inasmuch as physical racial differences become distinct over thousands of years, then you could say that race plays a part in intelligence, but if we had plonked 1,000 Asians into Western Europe 40,000 years ago, I doubt current Western Europeans would be much different in character and disposition. The fact that Western Europeans hail from the same Indo-European stock as Indians for me has little bearing on their development - it was the thousands of years of conditioning in that environment that determined them. You just can't get away with a Russian or Asian mindset in that kind of environment, it's much tighter with less room for free play, and it's a more densely-packed evolve-or-perish world.
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Thanks to the White Australia Policy, I was taught Christianity and English, rather than Daoism and Cantonese. There wasn't much difference, but that little was important in how I developed.
The Cantonese folk I met seemed more womanly. Sloppy. More sensual, more concerned about "having" an education than being educated, greedy (obsessive about food), emotional, and talkative. But I also had a few eccentric relatives, obsessive loner types. The Aussie family were tougher, practical, uncomfortable of expressing anything unusual or witty, mother-lovers, and as bland as animals. Possibly Christianity was better Daoism, because there wasn't as much ritual and display, and more concern with everyday behaviour. But the same gods and demons, crude incentives in heaven and hell, and pretty pictures of children and flowers. Daoism is closer to Catholicism than the Baptists.
Reflecting on the personal effects of the White Australia policy led me to think back on where one should aim one's efforts, to help the overall mass of humanity alter. It's like becoming an openly underground politician.
It's most effective dealing with those who consciously drop everything in favour of truthfulness. Then there's a scale downwards. So it's best to work with the analytical and judgmental, self-respecting, and still-idealistic, because they have more individuality to sustain them through the toughest parts of the path.
However, anyone that holds to some values grimly will want to know that they're "right" to do so. That makes them likely to remember and then to think, and to question, and maybe to be interested in truth.
Imagine: a federal member of parliament, or a senator, saying, "Stuff economics, and building communities! My commitment in my three-year term is to promote highly logical thinking, individuality, masculinity, celibacy, and eradicating feminine-mindedness."
"Oh, and I also plan to guide the country through a temporary period of great conflict, violence and general destabilisation with record-levels of high unemployment, massive poverty, a complete overhaul of the educational systems, abolishment of all churches and places of worship, open philosophical discussion forums in all inhabitated areas (moderated by sword-bearers to decapitate anyone who doesn't try their hardest to think rationally), a woeful health system (survive or die), medium-to-high infant mortality, medium life expectancy, no retirement pensions, and systems for transport, communications, and manufacturing that have never been experienced this century in a civilised nation. After this period, a smaller population be developing free food forests tended by volunteers, designated compost toilets well-separated from water sources, and other basic subsistence infrastructure."
Go down well, wouldn't it....Be great though, what an uplifting environment for getting a better handle on values. The survivors would be hard as nails, but probably quite calm, a bit like a society-traumatised nineteen-year-old that has decided not to commit suicide, but rather to try to work out how to hang on.
Chuang Tzu would probably say, "What good would that do, you'll just get yourself killed!"
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The Cantonese folk I met seemed more womanly. Sloppy. More sensual, more concerned about "having" an education than being educated, greedy (obsessive about food), emotional, and talkative. But I also had a few eccentric relatives, obsessive loner types. The Aussie family were tougher, practical, uncomfortable of expressing anything unusual or witty, mother-lovers, and as bland as animals. Possibly Christianity was better Daoism, because there wasn't as much ritual and display, and more concern with everyday behaviour. But the same gods and demons, crude incentives in heaven and hell, and pretty pictures of children and flowers. Daoism is closer to Catholicism than the Baptists.
Reflecting on the personal effects of the White Australia policy led me to think back on where one should aim one's efforts, to help the overall mass of humanity alter. It's like becoming an openly underground politician.
It's most effective dealing with those who consciously drop everything in favour of truthfulness. Then there's a scale downwards. So it's best to work with the analytical and judgmental, self-respecting, and still-idealistic, because they have more individuality to sustain them through the toughest parts of the path.
However, anyone that holds to some values grimly will want to know that they're "right" to do so. That makes them likely to remember and then to think, and to question, and maybe to be interested in truth.
Imagine: a federal member of parliament, or a senator, saying, "Stuff economics, and building communities! My commitment in my three-year term is to promote highly logical thinking, individuality, masculinity, celibacy, and eradicating feminine-mindedness."
"Oh, and I also plan to guide the country through a temporary period of great conflict, violence and general destabilisation with record-levels of high unemployment, massive poverty, a complete overhaul of the educational systems, abolishment of all churches and places of worship, open philosophical discussion forums in all inhabitated areas (moderated by sword-bearers to decapitate anyone who doesn't try their hardest to think rationally), a woeful health system (survive or die), medium-to-high infant mortality, medium life expectancy, no retirement pensions, and systems for transport, communications, and manufacturing that have never been experienced this century in a civilised nation. After this period, a smaller population be developing free food forests tended by volunteers, designated compost toilets well-separated from water sources, and other basic subsistence infrastructure."
Go down well, wouldn't it....Be great though, what an uplifting environment for getting a better handle on values. The survivors would be hard as nails, but probably quite calm, a bit like a society-traumatised nineteen-year-old that has decided not to commit suicide, but rather to try to work out how to hang on.
Chuang Tzu would probably say, "What good would that do, you'll just get yourself killed!"
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Funny how the words "honest academic" seem to be oxymoronic these days.
People who lack expressiveness are the most boring people on earth to me. It's as if they find life as it is and can't change it, can't put any input into it other than the one they were carefully guided to do from birth. Horrible. It's that kind of people who lead to a stagnating world bent in on itself with no hope of release.The Aussie family were tougher, practical, uncomfortable of expressing anything unusual or witty, mother-lovers, and as bland as animals.
And the average person would say "How's that going to make me rich?"Go down well, wouldn't it....Be great though, what an uplifting environment for getting a better handle on values. The survivors would be hard as nails, but probably quite calm, a bit like a society-traumatised nineteen-year-old that has decided not to commit suicide, but rather to try to work out how to hang on.
Chuang Tzu would probably say, "What good would that do, you'll just get yourself killed!"
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Another reason for lacking the ability to express anything is being afraid of becoming a pariah.avidaloca wrote:People who lack expressiveness are the most boring people on earth to me.
This is what is happening to me. My family, old friends, and new contacts all avoid me. I'm struggling with it, as I know being over-the-top and subconsciously *encouraging* people to avoid me, is directly related to this fear.
Funnily enough, the fear goes on because I avoid the willful choice to drop it. Fear is subconscious and un-thought-out anyway.
Again, ego and comprehensibility. The more one is conscious and rational, the less that subconscious delusions (ego) make sense.
Correction: I might say it to someone trying to commit suicide.And the average person would say "How's that going to make me rich?"Go down well, wouldn't it....Be great though, what an uplifting environment for getting a better handle on values. The survivors would be hard as nails, but probably quite calm, a bit like a society-traumatised nineteen-year-old that has decided not to commit suicide, but rather to try to work out how to hang on.
Chuang Tzu would probably say, "What good would that do, you'll just get yourself killed!"
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