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astral projection

Post by LooF » Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:20 pm

i've been reading some stuff on it, and many- thousands of people have claimed to have done such a thing

it sounds interesting

what do you guys think about it?

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Post by Jason » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:43 pm

This is not philosophy Loof. You should have posted it the brothel.

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Re: astral projection

Post by Kevin Solway » Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:22 am

LooF wrote:what do you guys think about it?
If it were true, then the people who can do it should be able to find out about things that are happening simultaneously on the other side of the globe, or in another galaxy for that matter. I don't believe anyone has yet demonstrated this ability.

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Re: astral projection

Post by propellerbeanie » Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:35 am

ksolway wrote:
LooF wrote:what do you guys think about it?
If it were true, then the people who can do it should be able to find out about things that are happening simultaneously on the other side of the globe, or in another galaxy for that matter. I don't believe anyone has yet demonstrated this ability.
I don't have to project myself to the stars. They come to me.

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Post by sschaula » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:12 am

I've seen some evidence that it works on TV, but it may have been a trick. It is possible, in my opinion.

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Post by MKFaizi » Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:18 pm

Here is my experience. When I was in my early twenties I had some so called out of body experiences during sleep. In my experience, I was near the ceiling of the room and my body was in the bed. I did not enjoy the feeling because I was afraid that the "tether" would break and I would not be able to get back into my body.

In hindsight, I can understand that these "paranormal" experiences are quite normal. There is nothing scary or "special" about them. There is nothing particularly remarkable about them. To put it succinctly, shit happens.

When I was a very young teenager, I was also particularly good at working a Ouija board. I could do it alone and had some rather surprising results. I wrote poems and stories with the board, also, and that ability later developed into what is known as automatic writing.

Woo hoo.

Any fool can do any of that. Astral projection, automatic writing -- all that paranormal bullshit. Low brain crap. Strictly medulla oblongata.

These days, I sometimes entertain teenagers with the ouija board.

Astral projection is a completely normal experience. Just not a big deal.

Normal experiences are regularly exploited as extraordinary experiences by those who are out to make a buck.

Don't buy into that bullshit.

Faizi

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Post by MKFaizi » Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:20 pm

I don't have to project myself to the stars. They come to me.
How extraordinary. You must be god-like.

Faizi

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Post by David Quinn » Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:14 pm

Or he has limited vision.

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Post by Matt Gregory » Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:22 pm

Or he hit himself over the head with something.

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Post by propellerbeanie » Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:54 pm

MKFaizi wrote:
I don't have to project myself to the stars. They come to me.
How extraordinary. You must be god-like.

Faizi
God like, not God. I know this place, this time, this company, and this life are everything. The stars are twinkling, and the sun is shining, and there is no better place anywhere than where I am. If I go anywhere it is always the same or worse, so why leave? When I was young I wanted to see the world, but international capitalism is turning the world into a no man's land. Better for the old fart to sit home and break out the gun grease and cleaning kit, cause to expect it won't show up some day at my front door is daft.

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Post by avidaloca » Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:37 pm

"You will also come to be afraid of your Godlikeness".

Goethe, Faust

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Post by propellerbeanie » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:42 am

avidaloca wrote:"You will also come to be afraid of your Godlikeness".

Goethe, Faust
I've noticed I had trouble kneeling in front of it.

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Post by sschaula » Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:54 am

Shut up propeller beanie. Your god-likeness is comparable to a rat's. Seeing you masturbate your ego is pretty disgusting...at least to me.

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Post by MKFaizi » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:02 am

If it were true, then the people who can do it should be able to find out about things that are happening simultaneously on the other side of the globe, or in another galaxy for that matter. I don't believe anyone has yet demonstrated this ability.
To say the least, I do think accounts of so called astral projection are greatly exaggerated. I think people who get "into" that sort of crap get carried away, so to speak; claiming they leave their bodies and fly off to other continents and/or galaxies.

Then, such people feed off other people of like minds who claim that they saw so and so out of his body flying about.

"Extraordinary ability" feeds into ego. Then, they "sell" the idea to other people. Group-think.

Why I would never join a club that would have me as a member. Groucho Marx said that -- not the exact quote. I paraphrased. Some people misinterpret the statement as self denigration.

That presumption entirely misses the point.

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Post by propellerbeanie » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:10 pm

sschaula wrote:Shut up propeller beanie. Your god-likeness is comparable to a rat's. Seeing you masturbate your ego is pretty disgusting...at least to me.
oooh, ooooh, Aaaaaah!

Damn, it really is better when you watch!

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Post by propellerbeanie » Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:29 pm

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quote="MKFaizi"]
If it were true, then the people who can do it should be able to find out about things that are happening simultaneously on the other side of the globe, or in another galaxy for that matter. I don't believe anyone has yet demonstrated this ability.
To say the least, I do think accounts of so called astral projection are greatly exaggerated. I think people who get "into" that sort of crap get carried away, so to speak; claiming they leave their bodies and fly off to other continents and/or galaxies.

Then, such people feed off other people of like minds who claim that they saw so and so out of his body flying about. Faizi
I know that to think things are the same all over is the universal fallacy, but have you ever been anywhere or read of anywhere where people were different? It is not only a question of how impossible is astral projection, but how impossible are people. So why, exactly would anyone want to go anywhere people are not essentially better, kinder, or more virtuous; when to do so at all represents a physical impossibility.
The question is that presented on another thread, on how the wise man knows anything. Everybody knows everything inside their particular brackets, and depending upon the intelligence of the individual and the space between the brackets one either knows a lot or a little. Astral projection is like time travel and travel at or exceeding the speed of light: impossible. Perhaps speculation of the impossible is the ultimate of luxuries, reserved for the idle rich or the poverty of youth.

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Here and Now

Post by DHodges » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:28 pm

propellerbeanie wrote:I know this place, this time, this company, and this life are everything.
Do you? On another thread, you seemed more concerned with the future (i.e., having children).

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Re: Here and Now

Post by propellerbeanie » Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:44 pm

DHodges wrote:
propellerbeanie wrote:I know this place, this time, this company, and this life are everything.
Do you? On another thread, you seemed more concerned with the future (i.e., having children).
Yes, I want a piece of eternity, and the only way there is now. Past and future are all illusion. There is only one time: a constant modification of NOW. I live, and humanity exists; but I want a piece of myself to always exist as well. This is the only show in town, and I love it!

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Post by MKFaizi » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:54 pm

Potbelly wrote:
Past and future are all illusion. There is only one time: a constant modification of NOW. I live, and humanity exists; but I want a piece of myself to always exist as well.
How can you be certain that the so called NOW is not as much an illusion -- even constantly modified -- as past and future? Exactly how are you certain that there is only one time?

Also, since you want a piece of yourself to always exist, how can you say that past and future are illusion? Though you claim that there is only one time -- NOW -- you want a piece of yourself to exist always. Always implies future.

In some future NOW, neither you nor any piece of you will exist.

Do you have a particular piece of yourself that you hope to always exist? How do you expect this particular piece to be preserved in any future NOWS?

How is a modified NOW different from past or future? Why must NOW be modified? Since past and future are illusion, how can NOW be modified?

For what reason do you want some piece of yourself to always exist? How is your existence important? Are you Tupac Shakur or Jim Morrison or Nietzsche -- some famous person whose existence might be important to others than yourself?

What makes you believe that your existence is important?

Faizi

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Post by MKFaizi » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:58 pm

Sorry. I meant "propellerbeanie" but since I rather prefer "potbelly," I think I will leave it. More appropriate -- in the here and now -- slightly modified.

Faizi

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Post by MKFaizi » Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:27 pm

Do you mean that you view children as a piece of yourself? That never occurred to me. I have two kids and I do not, in the least, consider either to be a piece of myself. Each of them are very separate from me.

The thought of having kids in order to preserve oneself is sick. The very minute that babies hit the world, they are extremely separate from their parents. Each child has his own mind that has nothing to do with his parents. I knew this instantly from the minute I gave birth to each of my children.

I think you may be more interested in cloning. Children are separate creatures. If you take a look, I reckon you might find some web sites that, for a fee, might clone you. I think bin Laden has such a site -- always on the look out for more suicide bombers and such.

Clones make the perfect martyrs.

Clone yourself for Allah.

That way, you can leave pieces of yourself all over the world -- a piece of a bicep here and a femur fragment there; mastoid sinus fragment here; metatarsal there -- and so on.

I mean, you can blow yourself up over and over again all over the globe, leaving globs of yourself in many regions.

In many ways, this leaving of pieces of yourself is much easier than raising a kid. For instance, you don't have to send a body fragment to school.

Faizi

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Post by propellerbeanie » Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:26 pm

MKFaizi wrote:Do you mean that you view children as a piece of yourself? That never occurred to me. I have two kids and I do not, in the least, consider either to be a piece of myself. Each of them are very separate from me.
No, my children are not a piece of myself anymore than I am a piece of my parents, or they of theirs. We share dna, and life. I love life, and like kids, usually more than 50% of the time, and so I give the gift that was given to me.


The thought of having kids in order to preserve oneself is sick. The very minute that babies hit the world, they are extremely separate from their parents. Each child has his own mind that has nothing to do with his parents. I knew this instantly from the minute I gave birth to each of my children.

Children are separate creatures.
Faizi
It may be wrong to think my particular life is worth preserving in children, but it is not sick. For a child to grow up thinking life is some terrible curse no one should share even with a dog -to be run through in mindless consumerism and endless drunkenness is sick. Thinking anyone can preserve themselves is sick. I enjoy the cycle of life, and I am a part of that, recieving life and passing it on. I was all there for the births of my children, and I agree about their seperate existence. Further, each was born with their own distinct personality, and attitude. I do not think my self is any better than theirs, but our lives that we share have come through carnage, war, slavery, and illness. Each of our lives is the result of myriad victories large and small, and each of our lives is a story of humanity for a hundred thousand years. My life is a force I will not deny.

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Post by propellerbeanie » Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:32 pm

MKFaizi wrote:Potbelly wrote:
Past and future are all illusion. There is only one time: a constant modification of NOW. I live, and humanity exists; but I want a piece of myself to always exist as well.
How can you be certain that the so called NOW is not as much an illusion -- even constantly modified -- as past and future? Exactly how are you certain that there is only one time?
I think the question you wish to ask is: How can I prove there is only one time, and that now is not an illusion as well. Certainty of ones own life is not hard to come by. I know this moment, and I know my life, and I know that history is all lies, and the future is only made real by the nurturing of this moment. I cannot be certain of anything of which I was not a witness, nor of that time I will not witness. As far as I know existence, both mine and yours will end when I die.
Also, since you want a piece of yourself to always exist, how can you say that past and future are illusion? Though you claim that there is only one time -- NOW -- you want a piece of yourself to exist always. Always implies future.

In some future NOW, neither you nor any piece of you will exist.


So long as I live, or my children live the same dna that once animated my grandparents bones will dance in the sunshine of spring time. It is my life that gives this moment the reality it has. Time is a meaningless concept without life to measure it.

How is a modified NOW different from past or future? Why must NOW be modified? Since past and future are illusion, how can NOW be modified?
The future and past are places without me in it. The near past and the near future have a near reality because I was either there, or may be there, and beyond that both ways on the time line are more and more illusion. History is fiction, and can you prove otherwise? Is the future more or less fiction than the past? Life changes everything in time; to be specific, in some particular now, and in changing our moment we change both before and after. Am I losing you?
For what reason do you want some piece of yourself to always exist? How is your existence important? Are you Tupac Shakur or Jim Morrison or Nietzsche -- some famous person whose existence might be important to others than yourself?
I am conscious of my existence, and of my particular life.
What makes you believe that your existence is important?
My existence is not important as nothing that I can see hinges upon it. Rather, my existence is essential to me. My life is essential to me, and perhaps to you as well for all I know (which is my life), because I cannot prove your existence with the passing of my own.

Faizi
Let me offer you something some smart person said once of time, from a book of quotations:
"Eternity is a negative idea clothed with a positive name. -It supposes, in that to which it is applied, a present existence, and is the negation of a beginning or an end of that existence"...Paley

It is because as human beings we can only concieve of now that we can concieve of eternity. Thanks for the Name. Buddha would fit me better, sitting, not reclining.

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Post by Blair » Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:48 am

propellerbeanie wrote:It is because as human beings we can only concieve of now that we can concieve of eternity.
If you can concieve of now and eternity as one and the same, you would understand why there is no logical justification for the desire to reproduce, (other instances of human beings).

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Post by MKFaizi » Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:14 pm

There is no logical justification for the desire to reproduce.

Well said, Prince.

Faizi

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