THE "NOT WELCOME MAT"
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outofthebox
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THE "NOT WELCOME MAT"
Pre-judged. Pre-condemned. Multiple suggestions that I"m a criminal, a convict, joined the wrong board.
perhaps i have. I truly thought that the free expression of ideas and the excitement of discovery would be welcomed here.
On second look, it would appear I've stumbled upon a roundtable of fruitless wonderers.
I DEMAND SUBSTANCE. I NEED RESULTS. DEEP THOUGHT SHOULD BRING FORTH FRUIT THAT BENEFITS ALL.
SUBSTANCE,RESULTS,FRUIT, GIMME SOMETHIN I CAN USE.
Insults and personal attacks can be found on any message board out there.
perhaps i have. I truly thought that the free expression of ideas and the excitement of discovery would be welcomed here.
On second look, it would appear I've stumbled upon a roundtable of fruitless wonderers.
I DEMAND SUBSTANCE. I NEED RESULTS. DEEP THOUGHT SHOULD BRING FORTH FRUIT THAT BENEFITS ALL.
SUBSTANCE,RESULTS,FRUIT, GIMME SOMETHIN I CAN USE.
Insults and personal attacks can be found on any message board out there.
Re: THE "NOT WELCOME MAT"
Why do you think that you are in a position to demand anything?outofthebox wrote:I DEMAND SUBSTANCE.
Do you think someone owes you something?
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Creative Fossil
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Re: THE "NOT WELCOME MAT"
Hi I'm new here but I can relate to what you say above, I haven't read any of your posts yet, but I am assuming you have not hurled any personal insults? Assuming this is correct then of course u should have your view, only the narrow minded and afraid fear an opposing view. So tell me, what views raised such an uproar?outofthebox wrote:Pre-judged. Pre-condemned. Multiple suggestions that I"m a criminal, a convict, joined the wrong board.
perhaps i have. I truly thought that the free expression of ideas and the excitement of discovery would be welcomed here.
On second look, it would appear I've stumbled upon a roundtable of fruitless wonderers.
I DEMAND SUBSTANCE. I NEED RESULTS. DEEP THOUGHT SHOULD BRING FORTH FRUIT THAT BENEFITS ALL.
SUBSTANCE,RESULTS,FRUIT, GIMME SOMETHIN I CAN USE.
Insults and personal attacks can be found on any message board out there.
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Creative Fossil
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Ok, so I've checked your hello message, I think really your introduction is 'interesting' but when you claim so much out of the ordinary, people will request you identify yourlself so that the facts you have posted can be confirmed. However, revealing an identity could also be easily fabricated so maybe personal details should be kept out of public forums, if they attract personal attacks particularly. I myself like to keep my age/sex/location secret so as to avoid, ageist,sexist,racist remarks. Not because as has been suggested before , I have anything to hide.
Re the nasty replies you attracted, I think it wise to remember anyone can join these boards and that includes children, so when you get an immatrure response its wise to keep that in mind! If not young physically, certainly mentally. Anyone who results to name calling is no adult mentally.
I ignore riduclous replies to my posts, it just encourages them and gives them a sense their abuse has some credit which of course it does not.
Meanwhile my mantra is not to try to reason with the insane...it's impossible.
Re the nasty replies you attracted, I think it wise to remember anyone can join these boards and that includes children, so when you get an immatrure response its wise to keep that in mind! If not young physically, certainly mentally. Anyone who results to name calling is no adult mentally.
I ignore riduclous replies to my posts, it just encourages them and gives them a sense their abuse has some credit which of course it does not.
Meanwhile my mantra is not to try to reason with the insane...it's impossible.
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So, we are left in the predicament that one must be sane in order to judge those who are insane. One must be privy to an understanding of both conditions.
If you were to find yourself insane, would you try to reason yourself to sanity, or do you think it‘s impossible for one to recognise their own insanity?
How do you define sanity and insanity?
If you were to find yourself insane, would you try to reason yourself to sanity, or do you think it‘s impossible for one to recognise their own insanity?
How do you define sanity and insanity?
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Creative Fossil
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With regard to my mantra, I know you are seeking a more intellectual repsonse but you have surely had moments in your life when you are trying to reason something so very simple but getting nonesense back and u go round and round in cirlcles. I am being flippant when I say 'insane' I really have no idea why some people have no ability 'reason'.
Example:
Many yrs ago (many many) I worked in an optical practice and was fitting some spectacles to a patient (the patient was a Doctor by proffession so accademic with assumed intelligence). The patient kept flinging her head forwards whislt jumping on the spot with such thrust the glasses quite naturally tipped forwards on her face, she then complained they were not tight enough saying 'look when I do this, they move'. The glasses were fitted with sides directly and in contact with the rear of her ear, any tighter and it would cut into the flesh. The movement was caused by her 'insane' jumping about! She kept repeating her specs didn't fit and I thought to myself, do I inform this 'Doctor' that her galsses are moving due to her extreme and unnatural in any circumstances movement, thus stating the absolute obvious and risking insulting her assumed intelligence, or do I just resign myself to the fact she has no 'sense'. I attempted to explain as politely as I could but she left an unhappy client!
I have come across this 'insanity' so many times, it's just pointless to argue.
A famous psychologist once had a patient who was afraid of tigers under his bed and after years of therapy, the psychologist decided on a radical new method of treatment. He told the patient to get a bed that touched the floor, so no tigers could fit beneath it. The patient did as he said and NEVER had a tiger fear again!
Example:
Many yrs ago (many many) I worked in an optical practice and was fitting some spectacles to a patient (the patient was a Doctor by proffession so accademic with assumed intelligence). The patient kept flinging her head forwards whislt jumping on the spot with such thrust the glasses quite naturally tipped forwards on her face, she then complained they were not tight enough saying 'look when I do this, they move'. The glasses were fitted with sides directly and in contact with the rear of her ear, any tighter and it would cut into the flesh. The movement was caused by her 'insane' jumping about! She kept repeating her specs didn't fit and I thought to myself, do I inform this 'Doctor' that her galsses are moving due to her extreme and unnatural in any circumstances movement, thus stating the absolute obvious and risking insulting her assumed intelligence, or do I just resign myself to the fact she has no 'sense'. I attempted to explain as politely as I could but she left an unhappy client!
I have come across this 'insanity' so many times, it's just pointless to argue.
A famous psychologist once had a patient who was afraid of tigers under his bed and after years of therapy, the psychologist decided on a radical new method of treatment. He told the patient to get a bed that touched the floor, so no tigers could fit beneath it. The patient did as he said and NEVER had a tiger fear again!
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propellerbeanie
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Dear creative.
I get the sense you think Jack is abused here. I don't feel I have been too hard on him. If he were mine I would pick him up by his heels and spank his butt, and hard if all he says about the law is true. Its too bad too; I was really hoping I could give a shit because perhaps a word in the right place might get the guy some help.
What he is really, is an example of the failure of law. It breaks down the power of those who might have helped this guy, like teachers, parents, relatives and neighbors; and the law will play him more and more line until he hangs himself. Someday he will figure out that he does not fit right anywhere, and he will do something to get put into the company forever of like unminded persons always. the end.
I get the sense you think Jack is abused here. I don't feel I have been too hard on him. If he were mine I would pick him up by his heels and spank his butt, and hard if all he says about the law is true. Its too bad too; I was really hoping I could give a shit because perhaps a word in the right place might get the guy some help.
What he is really, is an example of the failure of law. It breaks down the power of those who might have helped this guy, like teachers, parents, relatives and neighbors; and the law will play him more and more line until he hangs himself. Someday he will figure out that he does not fit right anywhere, and he will do something to get put into the company forever of like unminded persons always. the end.
Maybe she was going to wear the glasses while doing some sort of intense physical activity?Creative Fossil wrote:Many yrs ago (many many) I worked in an optical practice and was fitting some spectacles to a patient (the patient was a Doctor by proffession so accademic with assumed intelligence). The patient kept flinging her head forwards whislt jumping on the spot with such thrust the glasses quite naturally tipped forwards on her face, she then complained they were not tight enough saying 'look when I do this, they move'. The glasses were fitted with sides directly and in contact with the rear of her ear, any tighter and it would cut into the flesh. The movement was caused by her 'insane' jumping about! She kept repeating her specs didn't fit and I thought to myself, do I inform this 'Doctor' that her galsses are moving due to her extreme and unnatural in any circumstances movement, thus stating the absolute obvious and risking insulting her assumed intelligence, or do I just resign myself to the fact she has no 'sense'. I attempted to explain as politely as I could but she left an unhappy client!
I have come across this 'insanity' so many times, it's just pointless to argue.
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Creative Fossil
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If she had she would have said and I'd have sold her sports glasses or a spec cord.............please engage brain before replying to a postJason wrote:Maybe she was going to wear the glasses while doing some sort of intense physical activity?Creative Fossil wrote:Many yrs ago (many many) I worked in an optical practice and was fitting some spectacles to a patient (the patient was a Doctor by proffession so accademic with assumed intelligence). The patient kept flinging her head forwards whislt jumping on the spot with such thrust the glasses quite naturally tipped forwards on her face, she then complained they were not tight enough saying 'look when I do this, they move'. The glasses were fitted with sides directly and in contact with the rear of her ear, any tighter and it would cut into the flesh. The movement was caused by her 'insane' jumping about! She kept repeating her specs didn't fit and I thought to myself, do I inform this 'Doctor' that her galsses are moving due to her extreme and unnatural in any circumstances movement, thus stating the absolute obvious and risking insulting her assumed intelligence, or do I just resign myself to the fact she has no 'sense'. I attempted to explain as politely as I could but she left an unhappy client!
I have come across this 'insanity' so many times, it's just pointless to argue.
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Creative Fossil
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propellerbeanie wrote:Dear creative.
I get the sense you think Jack is abused here. I don't feel I have been too hard on him. If he were mine I would pick him up by his heels and spank his butt, and hard if all he says about the law is true. Its too bad too; I was really hoping I could give a shit because perhaps a word in the right place might get the guy some help.
What he is really, is an example of the failure of law. It breaks down the power of those who might have helped this guy, like teachers, parents, relatives and neighbors; and the law will play him more and more line until he hangs himself. Someday he will figure out that he does not fit right anywhere, and he will do something to get put into the company forever of like unminded persons always. the end.
I think some of the replies he has had to posts including yours above are uneccessary, but that seems to be the way people chat on forums, they don't like the post, they attack the poster. As I said in my first post, I hadn't read any of his posts and so had no opinion of him, I just commented on what he siad with my thoughts if what he said were true. I have since read some of his posts, my opinion on him will remain private. I am not here to slag off individuals or put them on a pedestal, just to enjoy a good debate now and again.
Did you ask her why she was moving her head around like she was?Creative Fossil wrote:If she had she would have said and I'd have sold her sports glasses or a spec cord.............please engage brain before replying to a postJason wrote:Maybe she was going to wear the glasses while doing some sort of intense physical activity?Creative Fossil wrote:Many yrs ago (many many) I worked in an optical practice and was fitting some spectacles to a patient (the patient was a Doctor by proffession so accademic with assumed intelligence). The patient kept flinging her head forwards whislt jumping on the spot with such thrust the glasses quite naturally tipped forwards on her face, she then complained they were not tight enough saying 'look when I do this, they move'. The glasses were fitted with sides directly and in contact with the rear of her ear, any tighter and it would cut into the flesh. The movement was caused by her 'insane' jumping about! She kept repeating her specs didn't fit and I thought to myself, do I inform this 'Doctor' that her galsses are moving due to her extreme and unnatural in any circumstances movement, thus stating the absolute obvious and risking insulting her assumed intelligence, or do I just resign myself to the fact she has no 'sense'. I attempted to explain as politely as I could but she left an unhappy client!
I have come across this 'insanity' so many times, it's just pointless to argue.
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Creative Fossil
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What do you think? In the words of bart Simposn, Duh! Would you like me to give you a full account of what transpired? Well I won't, afraid you are just going to have to take my word for it.Jason wrote:Did you ask her why she was moving her head around like she was?Creative Fossil wrote:If she had she would have said and I'd have sold her sports glasses or a spec cord.............please engage brain before replying to a postJason wrote:Maybe she was going to wear the glasses while doing some sort of intense physical activity?Creative Fossil wrote:Many yrs ago (many many) I worked in an optical practice and was fitting some spectacles to a patient (the patient was a Doctor by proffession so accademic with assumed intelligence). The patient kept flinging her head forwards whislt jumping on the spot with such thrust the glasses quite naturally tipped forwards on her face, she then complained they were not tight enough saying 'look when I do this, they move'. The glasses were fitted with sides directly and in contact with the rear of her ear, any tighter and it would cut into the flesh. The movement was caused by her 'insane' jumping about! She kept repeating her specs didn't fit and I thought to myself, do I inform this 'Doctor' that her galsses are moving due to her extreme and unnatural in any circumstances movement, thus stating the absolute obvious and risking insulting her assumed intelligence, or do I just resign myself to the fact she has no 'sense'. I attempted to explain as politely as I could but she left an unhappy client!
I have come across this 'insanity' so many times, it's just pointless to argue.
Actually no, I was just trying to annoy you. You seem like a prick. I wear glasses myself, and I needed them to stay on while I did mountain biking, trampolining and gymnastics. The optician told me that for non-contact sports normal non-sport glasses with shatter-proof plastic lenses, silicone nose rests and a light frame would stay on my head and would be fine. I tested the glasses and tried to shake them off my head, as would happen with a handstand or bumpy trail but they didn't budge, and yet they weren't digging holes into the back of my ears at all. So there ya go. Take it up with my optician.
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Creative Fossil
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'prick' me no that applies to you, you are a child aren't you, and a dishonest one at that, anyone shaking their head and jumping around will cause the specs to slip forward slighty. You are demonstrating your stupidity by saying otherwise.Jason wrote:Actually no, I was just trying to annoy you. You seem like a prick. I wear glasses myself, and I needed them to stay on while I did mountain biking, trampolining and gymnastics. The optician told me that for non-contact sports normal non-sport glasses with plastic lenses and a light frame would stay on my head and be shatter proof and would be fine. I tested the glasses and tried to shake them off my head, as would happen with a somersault or handstand or bumpy trail but they didn't budge, and yet they weren't digging holes into the back of my ears at all. So there ya go. Take it up with my optician.
I worked in that industry for yrs and for the sports you describe, a sport band is required, hence their existance in the first place, what school do you go to? Special needs?
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Creative Fossil
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CF wrote:
Do you consider that not knowing why this doctor behaved in the manner she did was an indication of your inability to reason?
Why is it enough and apparently reasonable for you to say, flippantly, that she is 'insane'?
Some people?I really have no idea why some people have no ability 'reason'.
Do you consider that not knowing why this doctor behaved in the manner she did was an indication of your inability to reason?
Why is it enough and apparently reasonable for you to say, flippantly, that she is 'insane'?
"Anyone who results to name calling is no adult mentally." -Creative Fossil
"what school do you go to? Special needs?" "I can tell you that you are a child, go away little gnat" -Creative Fossil
"I ignore riduclous replies to my posts, it just encourages them and gives them a sense their abuse has some credit which of course it does not. "
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"what school do you go to? Special needs?" "I can tell you that you are a child, go away little gnat" -Creative Fossil
"I ignore riduclous replies to my posts, it just encourages them and gives them a sense their abuse has some credit which of course it does not. "
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