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Disgust for Religion

Post by Jamesh » Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:08 pm

I've decided that my disgust for whatever people who believe in religion/god say, is becoming too extreme.

The violence, patheticness and stupidity of the Muslims (and the bush types as well) is really getting to me and is causing me angst, I want to verbally get stuck into them at every opportunity. I want their stupidity to be pointed out to them in no holds barred words. I refuse to be tolerant, because tolerance doesn't change their opinions, in fact it strengthens them on an overall basis.

I know I should be wiser and not let their irrationality affect me, but it is frustrating.

How are others coping with this issue? Any advice.

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Post by Kevin Solway » Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:22 pm

It's not just religion that's the problem. It's a human illness.

I saw a documentary last night about a guy who phoned up the management of McDonald's stores in the US, pretending to be a police officer, and got them to strip-search and sexually abuse young girls - in sessions lasting sometimes for hours. It is thought he did this successfully in dozens of stores across the US.

Why would people be stupid enough to do the evil things they were told by a complete stranger over the phone?

One reason is that they were simply American, and trained to respect authority, and not to think for themselves. Another reason is that they were trained to be McDonalds employees, and likewise trained not to think for themselves. They may have also been Christian.

So what it all boils down to is non-thinking, which is not the preserve only of religion - although it often appears like it.

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Post by MKFaizi » Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:10 pm

I think religion stinks, too. But it does not cause me a lot of angst -- not directly anyway. Everybody hates Muslims. That's a given. If you don't hate Muslims, you ain't American.

What really gripes my balls lately is the police. What a bunch of pussies. Bullying pussies, really.

Just my observation from direct experience lately.

I got a new hard drive and I am trying it out. Got it through a series of trades -- medication and babysitting. Might last a year. Dude did put on a good fire wall and such.

Anyway, I reckon I will catch up with the drama here.

Faizi

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Post by MKFaizi » Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:26 pm

Interesting how people -- Americans mostly apparently -- next to the Danes these days, the worst people in the first world -- will respond to authority like that thing in the McDonalds. I had not heard that one. It is hard to imagine young girls going through that sort of thing for hours. My daughter would have killed the pig buckets.

I was in the military for several years. One thing that was drilled into me was that I did not have to obey an unlawful order. That idea stuck with me and I always kept it in mind.

I also did not obey stupid orders but that was a matter of personal conviction.

Following orders is not an excuse for heinous and unlawful acts. The individual is always responsible for his acts.

Faizi

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Post by avidaloca » Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:55 pm

On the flipside if the caller had have been a real police officer and the manager did not follow his instructions he could have been charged with disobeying the orders of a police officer and, by letting the alleged offender escape, aiding and abetting a known felon. So the manager may have felt his own job was at risk by questioning or not complying with the officer's instructions.

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Post by Kevin Solway » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:37 pm

avidaloca wrote:On the flipside if the caller had have been a real police officer and the manager did not follow his instructions he could have been charged with disobeying the orders of a police officer and, by letting the alleged offender escape, aiding and abetting a known felon. So the manager may have felt his own job was at risk by questioning or not complying with the officer's instructions.
It is not in the law that you have to do everything a police officer tells you to do - especially if what they tell you to do is illegal.

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Post by Jamesh » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:26 am

So what it all boils down to is non-thinking, which is not the preserve only of religion - although it often appears like it.

Well I don't disagree with what you've said, but religion causes mob behaviour, and it is this mob behaviour both in actions and ideas that most irritates me and makes me fear for the future of the human world over the next 100 years. It is the most dangerous.

The other great danger, namely an over abundance of femininity is more of a longer term or less immediate problem, and quite frankly I haven't really worked out to what degree it should be rejected in society. Masculinity simply cannot exist in large numbers of people in this modern world of tools of destruction, unless it is an enlightened form of masculinity, rather than the far, far more common aggressive or controling form of emotional masculinity.

To get from feminine to masculine rationality, I think one has to pass through emotional masculinity on the way and it is very rare for people to get past this exciting but destructive way of life into the rational realms. In other words promoting masculinity across populations could be counterproductive for humanity.

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Post by MKFaizi » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:08 pm

It is not in the law that you have to do everything a police officer tells you to do - especially if what they tell you to do is illegal.
This is exactly the crux of the situation. You do not have to obey an unlawful order. It does not matter whether or not the caller was truly a police officer. Are you going to jump off a cliff because a police officer tells you to do it?

Many recent examples of police criminality in the news here lately. The worst one was the one in which a young man was a passenger in a car stopped by an officer. He was ordered out of the car and he crouched on the ground. The officer ordered him to get up. When the young man did not move quickly enough, the officer shouted, "I SAID GET UP." When the young man tried to rise, the officer shot him three times.

Fortunately, the young man and the video survived to tell the tale.

The county cops where I live have been on a rampage lately -- picking on weaker people. They are pretty much useless for anything else. If there is a real problem, they are not likely to show up.

You do not have to obey an unlawful order from any authority. I am a nurse and I have to obey orders from doctors. However, if a doctor orders me to give a drug that I know or should know to be contraindicated, I am responsible and my ass will fry long before a doctor's ass. I certainly would not grope a patient on a doctor's order.

How hard is that?

Common sense.

Faizi

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Post by propellerbeanie » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:23 pm

MKFaizi

What you have is responsibility without authority. Good luck with that.

MKFaizi

Post by MKFaizi » Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:32 pm

What you have is covering your own ass. How hard is that?

If a caller on the phone tells you to grope young women on the authority that he is a police officer, are you going to do it?

Nigga pleeze.

Faizi

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Post by MKFaizi » Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:51 pm

An individual is responsible for his actions. Case in point was the abuse of prisoners in the Iraqi prison contolled by Americans.

I was in the army. I know the nature of orders. One is legally and morally obligated to disobey an unlawful order. That's the law. There is no way possible that I would have done those things to those prisoners. I don't care what authority told me to do it.

I definitely would not obey an illegal order issued over a telephone by a person claiming to be a police officer.

Neither would I give an overdose of a drug to a patient because a doctor ordered me to do so.

I am not willing to take the rap for a bad order. Let the motherfucker who gives the order stand alone. The minute that you execute a heinous act, you are responsible.

Even a monkey can reason that much.

Damn.

I think we are below the Brothel-meter here.

Faizi

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Post by MKFaizi » Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:58 pm

On the flipside if the caller had have been a real police officer and the manager did not follow his instructions he could have been charged with disobeying the orders of a police officer and, by letting the alleged offender escape, aiding and abetting a known felon. So the manager may have felt his own job was at risk by questioning or not complying with the officer's instructions.
Again, common sense. It does not take a genius to know that, if the matter was that important, the police would be there to search the offenders themselves. Civilians do not search civilians for contraband. Civilians are not trained for that sort of thing.

Big time no brainer.

We are sinking to chimp level here.

Faizi

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Post by avidaloca » Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:06 am

It just shows that we operate in a hierarchy where it's assumed that those in power can do things (within certain limits) that those not in power can't.

By giving so much leeway to those in power, it actually encourages those who want to abuse that power to do so, and the caller has acted that role.

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Post by Lennyrizzo » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:19 am

Sure, but it also encourages those who know best to make the most of their position. Or who ought to know best, anyways.
Can't have the very good without risk of the very bad.

Does that justify it in your mind? It appears to do so for the majority of us. Executive privilege is an exceptional feature of modern democracies.

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Post by avidaloca » Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:20 pm

I just think in some places its got to the point where the power itself is what counts, not the responsiblity. The power has some kind of merit on its own, a high for those who have it, but bad for those who have to pay the price for their egotism.

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Post by Lennyrizzo » Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:04 pm

What has happened is, We've 'progressed' from a period of genuine honor to the mere appearance of honor, a dilution, then again to genuineness but with power/dollars in substitution, without which there would remain no motivation.
The result is the birth of shameless leaders the best of whom is measured quantitatively, which to most is better than no leader at all.

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Post by MKFaizi » Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:57 pm

Bullshit. Bullshit Almighty.

You all are making bullshit out of a mouse turd.

The posit is a simple one. Kevin wrote about the people in McDonalds groping young girls on the orders of a man on the telephone. Very, very simple.

Are you going to do something that is dead wrong and illegal on the basis of a caller on the phone claiming to be a police officer?

That is a black and white question requiring a black and white answer. Plain and simple. Are you a dog or are you a man? Yes or no?

Nothing philosophical or vague about it. Are you so spineless that you are going to debate and qualify simple right and wrong? As a soldier at Abu Ghraib prison are you going to tie electrical cords to some guy's balls because some corporal or PFC told you to do it?

I don't give a shit whether the order came from Bush Baby himself. But I sure would not take the word of a low-life scum bag second rate jackass sorry excuse for a NCO.

I would have gotten myself out of that place and blabbed it all to any reporter I could find. In a heartbeat. I could have run out into the streets screaming, "Crazy Americans!" Anything other than perpetrating heinous and internationally illegal acts on persons who may be innocent or even on those who may be guilty. I am not judge and jury.

I mean, damn. We are at chimp level here and you people are still looking at variables. There are no variables. You either knowingly commit a criminal act or you don't.

Authority has nothing to do with it. If a cop stops me in my car and tells me to get out on the side of the road and blow him, am I going to do it? Not even if he held a gun to my head. No way. He could kill me. No sweat.

I do not have to obey an illegal order from any authority. There are no vaguaries in that.

Get an inch above monkey level and THINK. Not talking about enlightenment here. Just basic common sense.

HOW HARD IS THAT????

My IQ is only 88 and I have that much clarity of reason.

I MEAN, DAMN!!!!!!!

Faizi

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Post by MKFaizi » Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:02 pm

but bad for those who have to pay the price for their egotism.
Dear Cheetah,

You don't have to pay the price for their egotism. You just don't commit the atrocious act.

HOW HARD IS THAT?

Faizi

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Post by MKFaizi » Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:07 pm

Do you recall the My Lai massacre in the American bullcrap of Vietnam?

Faizi

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Post by avidaloca » Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:24 pm

The Vietnam War is a bit before my time, I was three years old when it ended. I did once do a research paper and speech in 1991 at uni on an incident in the war at Ap Bac, and I was pretty amazed at the various egos in the chain of command and how disastrous that can be. But after I gave that speech, the female American lecturer marking it said it was completely wrong information I'd got from leftist texts so I don't know what to believe. I almost failed it.
You don't have to pay the price for their egotism. You just don't commit the atrocious act.
I was getting slighlty off topic and thinking about people who wield power in a way that's unnecessarily harsh on some and overly beneficial to others.

I guess I'm talking about women in power, and that they band together these days at the expense of men. If a female boss has the power to screw over a guy to please some other woman (say in a workplace) she will often do it.

So the society has moved on from a time when her actions as a person holding authority would be under the microscope to an "anything goes" philosophy where as long as the women are happy, that's all that matters. There's a lot of danger areas for men these days - it helps to have a woman around to navigate sometimes.

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Post by MKFaizi » Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:03 pm

For God's sakes, get over the bitch thing. Women don't have that much damn power. No offense, of course, but you sound like a balless wonder. Here we are discussing the necessity of not following the dictates of authority and you are whining about being pussy whipped.

I don't give a shit if a woman calls me on the phone and tells me to grope teenagers. I don't give a flying fuck if a woman tells me to tie electrical cords to some Muslim's balls.

What difference does it make whether a woman tells you to do something heinous and illegal or a man? Are you so whipped that you are more likely to follow a female's order than a man's order?

Are you an ape or a salamander? Do you walk upright or do you slither?

I have no pity on you whether you cowtow to female authority or male.

Faizi

PS -- Personally, I am piss-tired of the male/female squabble. I have been writing to Genius for eight years and I have written a shit load about masculinity and femininity. Bitches of both genders get on my nerves. Get a backbone, stop whining, cut the umbilicus.

HOW HARD IS THAT?

Faizi

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Post by Jamesh » Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:15 pm

I have been writing to Genius for eight years and I have written a shit load about masculinity and femininity.

Yeah, and I'm certain most of it would have been contradictory.
You are more of a blabberer these days than a thinker.

MKFaizi

Post by MKFaizi » Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:57 pm

Yeah, and I'm certain most of it would have been contradictory.
You are more of a blabberer these days than a thinker.
Yeah, and I am certain you have your head up your ass.

Cite, please, where I have blabbered lately on this forum. Yeah.

Yeah, I think you might be a blabberer.

Define blabberer, please.

Yeah.

Faizi

PS -- Yeah.

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Post by MKFaizi » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:20 pm

Jamesh wrote:
it is this mob behaviour both in actions and ideas that most irritates me and makes me fear for the future of the human world over the next 100 years. It is the most dangerous.
Yeah. He fears for the future of the human world. Yeah. 'Cause it is most dangerous, yeah.

Yeah, 'cause Faizi is not a thinker but, yeah, a blabberer.

It's the word service that, yeah, irritates me, yeah.

Yeah, the mob mentality on this forum, yeah, irritates you.

Faizi, yeah, the mob does not like you, yeah. Yeah, you stink, yeah.

Easy to discount me as a thinker because I am exactly to the point.

Yeah.

I can skin your hypocrisy alive.

Yeah. Easy to point your finger, yeah.

You are nothing more than history.

Yeah.

Faizi

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Post by MKFaizi » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:25 pm

Yeah. You have been here a short time, yeah.

Yeah, when did you look at David Quinn's, yeah, web site?

Yeah, when did you look at Genius News?

Blablablabblabblab.

Etc.

Faizi, yeah.

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