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Post by SBN Charles » Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:03 am

How is it i can understand what Kevin and David Quinn are trying to communicate, but not that of Hades?

Is Hades over-complication of simple matters, by use of complex terms the very fact that he doesn't really know of them that well?

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Post by sue hindmarsh » Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:27 pm

propellerbeanie wrote:
If I were to guess, I would say that the writer here has not been close enough to a woman to catch her scent, and that what is written is plenty enough reason for an average woman to want to blowtorch the balls off every average man. What can we say of all women except that they are all human and all different. The first thing each man thinks of himself, of his individual existence is the first thing many men seem to want to deny to women after the denial of their freedom. Can this be Just?
I don’t see “many men” denying the existence of woman – far from it – most men are happily being carried along by her “scent”.

If they did, women would have a field day – they would use this ‘event’ as they do all others – they would throw up there arms, cry and shout, threaten to leave, nag and scoff – basically have a normal day. The “average” woman (can there be any other kind) with the “blowtorch”, wouldn’t be using it to blow the balls off any man (not even an “average” man, even though there is an over abundance of them) because she would be having way too much fun.

Women only need men for one thing – their existence – because of this, men don’t have to do much to make women happy; they just need to interact with them. Now, as I said above, most men seem quite happy to enslave themselves to this most useful purpose, but some men have decided that their lives would be better put to use doing something different, such as understanding Reality.

So, to your question of “Can this be Just?” I’d have to answer a resounding No – women should not be denied either their existence or their freedom, because to do so would be affirming that they possessed them in the first place – which of course, they don’t.
One should never estimate the seductive power of women. Seductivity is a quality one experiences of individuals, as an individual. As a group women are as gross and disgusting as men, not better nor worse, and as individuals are only rarely seductive. You would not pay to see most women naked, for example, but would willingly pay most of the near ones to dress. Reproduction has little to do with seduction. Perhaps most fornication has little to do with seduction. Reproduction has only to do with the desire for life beyond life, for eternal life, and the desire to live makes even a sweat hogg glow. Men are slaves to their excess as much as women.
And loving it!

Woman looks at the face of the man she is fucking and smiles with contentment – as together they are lost in a sea of emotions and physical sensations. When the sex is over, the man gets up and goes on with his life, the short break a welcome relief from his normal worries and woes.

The woman has no other life to ‘get on with’ – her entire life consists of constantly being ‘lost’ in emotions and physical sensations. Her smile continues even as she watches him go off to his alien world – because she knows he’ll be back. And if he doesn’t? She’ll make do with a good cry and bitch to her friends about him. Win win win win win win win win…

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Post by MKFaizi » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:04 pm

Good post from Sue. Most females do not understand sex in that way. Took me about twenty years to figure it out. Generally, females have very romantic ideas about sex. We equate it with love; awash in emotions that never end.

Then, we get hurt.

Boo-hoo.

I reckon we need to just get a grip and get over it. That is what I have preached to both of my kids. Great if you like someone. But make sure you have a life. Make sure your life is more important than another's life. Make sure you do not delude yourself that someone else is more important.

Deliverance from delusion is beneficial to both sexes.

Of course, a man may not have the delusion of being king but tough shit.

Faizi

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Post by propellerbeanie » Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:11 am

sue hindmarsh wrote:propellerbeanie wrote:
If I were to guess, I would say that the writer here has not been close enough to a woman to catch her scent, and that what is written is plenty enough reason for an average woman to want to blowtorch the balls off every average man. What can we say of all women except that they are all human and all different. The first thing each man thinks of himself, of his individual existence is the first thing many men seem to want to deny to women after the denial of their freedom. Can this be Just?
I don’t see “many men” denying the existence of woman – far from it – most men are happily being carried along by her “scent”.


I believe I said individual existence, meaning existence as an individual; but in a sense, every woman with a female consciousness, rather than a human consciousness, or individual consciousness is a denial of an individual existences.
If they did, women would have a field day – they would use this ‘event’ as they do all others – they would throw up there arms, cry and shout, threaten to leave, nag and scoff – basically have a normal day. The “average” woman (can there be any other kind) with the “blowtorch”, wouldn’t be using it to blow the balls off any man (not even an “average” man, even though there is an over abundance of them) because she would be having way too much fun.
Are you saying they have the weapons and tools of the powerless? If so then you forgot terrorism.
Women only need men for one thing – their existence – because of this, men don’t have to do much to make women happy; they just need to interact with them. Now, as I said above, most men seem quite happy to enslave themselves to this most useful purpose, but some men have decided that their lives would be better put to use doing something different, such as understanding Reality.
Yes, not much to make them happy. Treat them as individuals and as human without needing to prove any thing. Too bad it is so tuff to figure out.
So, to your question of “Can this be Just?” I’d have to answer a resounding No – women should not be denied either their existence or their freedom, because to do so would be affirming that they possessed them in the first place – which of course, they don’t.


Existence is something all living people share. Freedom, if not shared by all, is possessed by none. In fact all people are free, and most are in the process of being deprived of freedom.
One should never estimate the seductive power of women. Seductivity is a quality one experiences of individuals, as an individual. As a group women are as gross and disgusting as men, not better nor worse, and as individuals are only rarely seductive. You would not pay to see most women naked, for example, but would willingly pay most of the near ones to dress. Reproduction has little to do with seduction. Perhaps most fornication has little to do with seduction. Reproduction has only to do with the desire for life beyond life, for eternal life, and the desire to live makes even a sweat hogg glow. Men are slaves to their excess as much as women.
And loving it!
Woman looks at the face of the man she is fucking and smiles with contentment – as together they are lost in a sea of emotions and physical sensations. When the sex is over, the man gets up and goes on with his life, the short break a welcome relief from his normal worries and woes.


If this is just more of the same, then sex without love is a form of violence.
The woman has no other life to ‘get on with’ – her entire life consists of constantly being ‘lost’ in emotions and physical sensations. Her smile continues even as she watches him go off to his alien world – because she knows he’ll be back. And if he doesn’t? She’ll make do with a good cry and bitch to her friends about him. Win win win win win win win win…
Non sense, and you don't believe this. We all live as fully in our emotions as in our thoughts, there is no disconnecting of one part of our lives from another. We often live with great contradictions hidden within the complexity of our lives. This is unfortunate and sometimes fatal, and very common. I think the absolute wrong thing to do is to allow ourselves to deny an emotional attachement to what we think, and our thoughts about what we feel. These are the two legs of an individual, just as the two legs of the species is men and women. You can't get far with one of your legs bound to a ball and chain.

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Post by propellerbeanie » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:50 am

MKFaizi wrote:Good post from Sue. Most females do not understand sex in that way. Took me about twenty years to figure it out. Generally, females have very romantic ideas about sex. We equate it with love; awash in emotions that never end.

Then, we get hurt.

Boo-hoo.

I reckon we need to just get a grip and get over it. That is what I have preached to both of my kids. Great if you like someone. But make sure you have a life. Make sure your life is more important than another's life. Make sure you do not delude yourself that someone else is more important.

Deliverance from delusion is beneficial to both sexes.

Of course, a man may not have the delusion of being king but tough shit.

Faizi
If your life is more important than the one you are with it is not love. As important perhaps, synonymous with equal in importance. Love is ex-centric, and like hate in this regard, because in hate and love ones thoughts are always on another.

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Post by MKFaizi » Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:44 pm

But, my dear, love is a delusion. Big time. That is what I teach my kids. Love is a drug; an addiction. All right to have a sexual attaction but realize that it is a sexual attraction that may last a day or may last ten years. The attraction may dwindle to a platonic relationship and a sibling sort of relationship. Many people find relationships worthwhile. They amass money and possessions together and raise children. Become content.

Cool but a lot of people find that sort of life dull so they search again for that big love rush. They get it and it dies. They get it again and it dies. Get it again and it dies. Just the constant need to feed the monkey on your back.

Are you willing to sacrifice your life for a delusion? How much of your life?

Faizi

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Post by propellerbeanie » Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:58 pm

MKFaizi wrote:But, my dear, love is a delusion. Big time. That is what I teach my kids. Love is a drug; an addiction. All right to have a sexual attaction but realize that it is a sexual attraction that may last a day or may last ten years. The attraction may dwindle to a platonic relationship and a sibling sort of relationship. Many people find relationships worthwhile. They amass money and possessions together and raise children. Become content.

Cool but a lot of people find that sort of life dull so they search again for that big love rush. They get it and it dies. They get it again and it dies. Get it again and it dies. Just the constant need to feed the monkey on your back.

Are you willing to sacrifice your life for a delusion? How much of your life?

Faizi
Consider me married and deluded. Life does not get any easier or longer not loving, nor is it in any sense more happy. It takes some courage to love, because love often demands your life and your money. What choice have we? To stand apart as individuals? Biologically we are only half what a bacteria is on its own. We have to plead to breed, and I just made that up. But the idea is not just children, but children raised up able to complete the cycle on their own, which requires the ability to love, commit, care, and work for it every day.
There are many living without the survival skills to live without the safety net of society raising and feeding their offspring. That is not my problem, and in fact, Braina and I find ourselves playing the part of parents for children in some senses without. It also takes some health to love. If you do not have what it takes then stay away from it. Don't ever think as every child thinks that love will make complete a life full of wants. If your thoughts are for yourself it is not love. If you feel your life being pulled off center, and caring for some other, and waiting for an invitation for more then it might be love. Yet, love only makes the world better by making those who feel it better in the process of doing for others out of the feeling of love.
Let me offer you a word on the glamour of love. That is not what I advertize. When they baptize people at the church I never attend they warn people against the glamour of sin. Sexuality, sensuality, and lust without love are thrust at us. Traffic in sex is at the bottom and top of the economic system. Sexual injustice follows economic injustice, and it is common, in every magazine and on every T.V.. We do not have the encouragment from our mostly non existent families, nor from society to succeeds in our relationships even when and if they become impossible. We bail out, and try again with even less prospect of success.
For those who think the sex is always better on the other side I have no cure. A man does not make a lady of a whore by treating his wife like a whore. I cannot do that to my love. My wife has given me children, love, comfort, and time; all of which are her life. Can I justly give her less? She has made my life possible, and can I do less for her? Most of the time I pity the whole world in not having the wherewithal to feel as I do. I do not believe in luck, and yet I feel fortunate.

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Love - What's it for?

Post by DHodges » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:58 pm

Life does not get any easier or longer not loving, nor is it in any sense more happy.
But you are arguing, I think, that love does make life better - aren't you? You seem to be rejecting the notion that it is possible to have a healthy, satisfying life without love.
Which is understandable - I would say that is an assumption of our culture that goes without saying - that love is something everyone wants and needs, that love is the greatest thing ever.
It takes some courage to love, because love often demands your life and your money. What choice have we? To stand apart as individuals?
Being married is kind of like being in a political party, or a street gang. You may be called upon to be a soldier, to lay down your life for the party. Is it worth it? In general, what you are getting in return is a sense of identity, of belonging to something (a party, gang or family) larger than yourself.

Maybe it takes even a bit more courage to decide that the entire culture is wrong, and love is not so necessary, that it is possible to stand alone, without someone else propping you up. Maybe being in a gang is not so brave as being independant. Maybe it's just something to prop you up.
But the idea is not just children, but children raised up able to complete the cycle on their own, which requires the ability to love, commit, care, and work for it every day.
Is that the highest purpose in life you can imagine - to be a machine to propagate a certain collection of DNA in a gene pool? It actually seems kind of pointless, to me.
It is, indeed, a huge amount of work. A distraction from... what? Actually living a life, instead of preparing one for someone else?
If you do not have what it takes then stay away from it.
Excellent advice. Many people get involved in this, only to hurt themselves and others. It's not like there is a dire shortage of humans, and everyone needs to concentrate on making more of them. There are billions of them around, and more every day.
We bail out, and try again with even less prospect of success.
Amazing, isn't it, that people will try the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.
Most of the time I pity the whole world in not having the wherewithal to feel as I do.
I imagine that most of the world does feel like you do. There's certainly enough songs about it.

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Re: Love - What's it for?

Post by propellerbeanie » Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:12 am

DHodges wrote:
Life does not get any easier or longer not loving, nor is it in any sense more happy.
But you are arguing, I think, that love does make life better - aren't you? You seem to be rejecting the notion that it is possible to have a healthy, satisfying life without love.
Which is understandable - I would say that is an assumption of our culture that goes without saying - that love is something everyone wants and needs, that love is the greatest thing ever.
It takes some courage to love, because love often demands your life and your money. What choice have we? To stand apart as individuals?
Being married is kind of like being in a political party, or a street gang. You may be called upon to be a soldier, to lay down your life for the party. Is it worth it? In general, what you are getting in return is a sense of identity, of belonging to something (a party, gang or family) larger than yourself.
One ain't nothing without two. Where do you believe we get our identities? I get everything from membership: life, company, and a chance at eternity.
Maybe it takes even a bit more courage to decide that the entire culture is wrong, and love is not so necessary, that it is possible to stand alone, without someone else propping you up. Maybe being in a gang is not so brave as being independant. Maybe it's just something to prop you up.


You are the result of many people standing together, and now, you want to stand alone. Love is necessary. Think of all the philosophers who did what they did without a child pulling at their sleeve. They did great, except that they could not manage relationships, and so did not grasp the greatest truth of all: that we do not experience life alone, that life is lived; but that existence is shared, recieved, and then given, like culture, and language, and ethics. To raise children and at the same time to grasp at the stardust of truth is the greatest challenge.
But the idea is not just children, but children raised up able to complete the cycle on their own, which requires the ability to love, commit, care, and work for it every day.
Is that the highest purpose in life you can imagine - to be a machine to propagate a certain collection of DNA in a gene pool? It actually seems kind of pointless, to me.
It is, indeed, a huge amount of work. A distraction from... what? Actually living a life, instead of preparing one for someone else?
The greatest pleasure, and the greatest fulfilment a man can know is to have and raise children, and to teach them, as all others, to not live with hate is the ultimate. To live as adults, and to demand from life what is given for the asking, almost, is to share the trust of life that has been given to you. Think of yourself as the end. Think of yourself as the life all your parents past fought for, and worked for and prayed for; a life they could not hold, but could only pass along and preserve, and then you will see what you have is the power to bear fruit, or frustrate all the dreams of your peoples past.
If you do not have what it takes then stay away from it.
Excellent advice. Many people get involved in this, only to hurt themselves and others. It's not like there is a dire shortage of humans, and everyone needs to concentrate on making more of them. There are billions of them around, and more every day.
If you love yourself, and if you love life, reproduce. The unfortunate thing is that people with inteligence and edufication cannot figure out how to breed, and those who most feel their lives threatened, by disease, childhood death, and early mortality have the most children as insurance.
We bail out, and try again with even less prospect of success.
Amazing, isn't it, that people will try the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.
Faulkner said you can cure a man of picking his nose, but you cannot cure a man of marry-ing.
Most of the time I pity the whole world in not having the wherewithal to feel as I do.
I imagine that most of the world does feel like you do. There's certainly enough songs about it.[/
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Too many people desire love without the least comprehension of what it demands and how one does it service. Marriage is the closest thing Western Society has to a rite of passage. It is foolish, and most love is foolish, and most people who use the word -love are fools, except for all the assholes who use the word love to cover their hatred of women, who appear to be numerous.

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Re: Love - What's it for?

Post by Blair » Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:32 pm

propellerbeanie wrote: The greatest pleasure, and the greatest fulfilment a man can know is to have and raise children, and to teach them, as all others, to not live with hate is the ultimate. To live as adults, and to demand from life what is given for the asking, almost, is to share the trust of life that has been given to you. Think of yourself as the end. Think of yourself as the life all your parents past fought for, and worked for and prayed for; a life they could not hold, but could only pass along and preserve, and then you will see what you have is the power to bear fruit, or frustrate all the dreams of your peoples past.
These are the words of a fool who doesn't have the slightest idea of what a life actually is.

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Re: Love - What's it for?

Post by propellerbeanie » Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:28 pm

prince wrote:
propellerbeanie wrote: The greatest pleasure, and the greatest fulfilment a man can know is to have and raise children, and to teach them, as all others, to not live with hate is the ultimate. To live as adults, and to demand from life what is given for the asking, almost, is to share the trust of life that has been given to you. Think of yourself as the end. Think of yourself as the life all your parents past fought for, and worked for and prayed for; a life they could not hold, but could only pass along and preserve, and then you will see what you have is the power to bear fruit, or frustrate all the dreams of your peoples past.
These are the words of a fool who doesn't have the slightest idea of what a life actually is.
Life is a relationship from beginning to end. That of human beings has been continuous for 100,000 years as such, at a minimum. Yet, you are still correct. I am a fool.

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