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Post by Get Real » Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:33 pm

What about that Moham cartoon in the danes newspaper, can you believe it. What a bunch of spoiled crying babies those 'slims are, would you agree? Like little children they try to get their way by throwing a temper tantrum, and what's worse, far worse is the stupid xians actually concede, actually cave-in and say "oh, we're so sorry, please dont beat us up ok".
What those slims need more than anything is to say to them "just stuff it you sick assholes! We fool with Jesus and we fool with the pope and we fool with the rabbi, in fact we'll fool with whoever we please to fool with, so get used to it you sick son-of-a-bitches! Moham sucks dicks! Ha, how'd you like that?"

Really, that would go a long way toward improving the world in the long run though there would be some difficulty for a while.
Screw them if they expect Us to revere their holy terrorist asswipe, instead lets be honest and tell them exactly what we think of the brutal deluded dead ass. Screw you if you think we ought to tip toe around the ass's name or image, just screw all you fanatical slims, screw you and the sluts who bore you.

We really have got to put those dickwads in their place, and the sooner the better for all of us.
Screw you if you think we should treat your fuckwit Moham-man
with respect and reverence, like why should we, HE MEANS SQUAT TO US, he means ditily-squat.
"Who the fuck do you think you are to throw your ugly weight around whenever you like, we could blast you all away in a matter of minutes. Throw yourselves down before our xian countries and maybe just maybe we'll spare your lazy good-for-nothing asses."

The nerve of those filthy barbarians, how dare they try (and often succeed) making us pretend we honor and respect them or their religious heros. "We don't repect you or your over-rated MohamMAD, and we will only begin respecting you once you show us you've grown up, once you demonstrate you can take it like as man."

You silly half-wits.

What a bunch of fools our political leaders are, to apologise to those baby bullies. Will they ever learn!

ps. what am i supposed to put in the poll option fields? YES and NO didnt work.
BTW, is this in the correct category?

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Re: Cartoons cause an uproar

Post by Diebert van Rhijn » Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:47 pm

Get Real wrote:We fool with Jesus and we fool with the pope and we fool with the rabbi, in fact we'll fool with whoever we please to fool with, so get used to it you sick son-of-a-bitches!
Yeah, our Western culture is clearly nihilistic, destroying and desecrating any old shadow of value or truth along the way. No wonder a value based religion or culture is terrified when witnessing the storm coming closer and becoming more graphic and up front. The great nothing advancing, like in the children's movie The Neverending Story.

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Post by Get Real » Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:16 am

We fool with Jesus and we fool with the pope and we fool with the rabbi, in fact we'll fool with whoever we please to fool with, so get used to it you sick son-of-a-bitches!


Yeah, our Western culture is clearly nihilistic, destroying and desecrating any old shadow of value or truth along the way. No wonder a value based religion or culture is terrified when witnessing the storm coming closer and becoming more graphic and up front. The great nothing advancing, like in the children's movie The Neverending Story.
They need de-sensitizing something fierce. It's always a shock in the beginning, then after some time you find yourself laughing heartily with the crowd, and you wonder what the hell it was you were defending so way back when.
Either you take your way to them or you don't. Its crazy to go half way. Either the infidels ways infiltrate everywhere or they don't. Clearly the evidence is that the plan is -- ALL_THE_WAY we go! Since that decision has been made by the West, it's either just a matter of time, or the slims must do something very big to keep 'em out, to remain well numbed.

Either way I don't really give a shit. If they don't do something very big (and i doubt it will happen, since they will foolishly wait on their man Moham's nonexistent God) then soon enough few of them will be the least bit troubled by such cartoonish things.
They will have much else to worry about, to learn. Like how to get laid, and how to work two jobs without passing out, and how best to serve woman and children-- just like our good'ol American boys have learned.
De-sensitization, thats the key, thats the solution, don't you know?

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Post by Get Real » Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:48 am

Clap, clap, clap, clap!

I applaude Christopher Hitchins "slims demand a special right not to be offended": exactly, and not while i'm still breathing!
Let the god-damn babies burn and destroy whatever they want, let the undisiplined fools make a real mess of things, just watch and let them take it to the extreme, pray they take it to the extreme, HELP them take it to the extreme, by posting more and more offensive cartoons. Give the sane world a good reason
to spank those spoiled slim-babies, and spank them good, once and for all, spank them in a way they will never forget.

How dare they open their foul mouths and condemn me for doing what i wish within the law in my own country. How dare they, you dont like then dont read our newspapers.

In the interests of Peace we should refrain from offending? Oh really!
I say in the interests of lasting meaningful Peace, offend much much more! Offend them until they no longer can be offended!

How much is it costing the human race to undergo this exercise? What a terrible waste. When will we once and for all put an end to this shit? No time better than the present.

A message only for offended slims:

TO hell with your false heros, we spit on them, we don't now and never will respect and revere them, they are shit. Your attempt to coerce reverence and loyalty will fail miserably, just to attempt it shows what you are made of. No real, wise God is on your side, you are truely fools. Grow up, become real men, real human beings. Get over it, enough with the pity party, save yourselves and your children, grow up already.
You discrace yourselves, have you no honor!

The world is becoming quickly fed-up with those fools, their time is running out. For that I thank Allah. Thank you Allah! Thank you!

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Post by David Quinn » Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:39 am

I very much agree with you. The West needs to make a stand on this issue and stare the Muslims back down.

It is disappointing that the editors of the Danish and French newspapers have been sacked by their gutless masters for publishing those cartoons. At least some of the other European countries are making a proper stand. Even New Zealand is showing its support by publishing the cartoons as well.

Unfortunately, the main newspaper here, The Australian, chose only to write an editorial condemning the Islamic attacks on the West's press freedoms and lacked the courage to publish the cartoons themselves.

We can't afford to kowtow to the aggressive, small-minded, barbaric demands of a primitive religious culture, which is Islam. The very fact that they do not permit themselves, or anyone else, to reproduce images of Mohammed or satirize him in any way shows just how unquestioning they are towards their own religion. We shouldn't be encouraging this form of psychosis through our own lack of courage or because of a desire to be politically correct.

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Post by Get Real » Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:57 pm

There, we have our first very courageous soul. Congradulations my good man. The world doesn't deserve you.

Are there any, I wonder, courageous women in residence?
Now that would really be something!

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Post by Kevin Solway » Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:59 pm

A link, if anyone wonders what it is all about:

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Post by sue hindmarsh » Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:05 pm

Diebert wrote:
Yeah, our Western culture is clearly nihilistic, destroying and desecrating any old shadow of value or truth along the way. No wonder a value based religion or culture is terrified when witnessing the storm coming closer and becoming more graphic and up front. The great nothing advancing, like in the children's movie The Neverending Story.
I can’t agree with you that Western culture is “nihilistic”; it constitutes many “value based” religions, philosophies and cultures. That is what makes the Western mentality so ‘foreign’ and unacceptable to many peoples living in systems like that of China, North Korea, or Iran - they see that we tolerate many beliefs, many ideas, and many different lifestyles – and do so without the sky falling in upon us, or without God smiting us off the face of the planet. Matter of fact, we do it so well, that yes, the West is moving into more and more places on the planet, as more and more peoples embrace our democratic and secular ideas.

What makes Western culture so appealing is the fact that we can look outside of our own lives, and our own borders, to gain information and to share information, and not feel threatened. Our culture is not ‘static’; we are always changing, adapting, and incorporating. Of course, Western culture isn’t perfect; we still hold on to beliefs and superstitions left over from our medieval period, but at least we are not still completely lost in that period, as are many people living in Muslim states.

Evidence of the West’s ‘maturity’ is the way we expose a lot of our own, and other people’s faults and foibles, inconsistencies and absurdities, through humour. And I am sure that we will see a multitude of new jokes and cartoons depicting this crazy situation we find ourselves in at present. The situation really is both funny and sad, as our sense of responsibility over this cartoon issue has meant that we have put into practice many of our ideals – which is to be expected of a civilized society – but that those same ideals are blocking our way to actually act more directly and strongly on this matter. Politely putting up with this insane squawking from these few ‘medieval losers’, seems ridiculous. We should have told them straight up that they could jump up and down, cry and howl for as long as they liked – we weren’t going to take any notice of them – and then suggest they go to their room and have a little lie down to consider a better way to deal with those ‘nasty’ old cartoons.

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Post by Kevin Solway » Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:07 pm

Rather than complaining, Muslims should be thankful that people are pointing out their faults.

If someone drew a cartoon of Jesus setting fire to witches I don't think it would be at all offensive.

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Post by Get Real » Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:30 pm

Anyone: where to find those toons here on the Inet?

One source said there were twenty though not all controversial.

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Post by sue hindmarsh » Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:18 pm

Well, it just gets wackier and wackier - tonight’s news reports that the Vatican reckons religions shouldn’t be made the butt of jokes.

Yeah right – if there is ANOTHER joke made about the Pope or the Catholic Church, they are going to declare a holy war against; late-night show hosts, and me mate down the pub that has a beauty about the Pope and a Rabbi going into a brothel... oops - and me?

Give us a break.

Religions can’t help but be the butt of jokes – from their many superstitious inconsistent mumbo jumbo tenets, to their deluded, fantasy loving followers –they can’t possibly expect to be treated with any respect?

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Post by Kevin Solway » Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:52 pm

sue hindmarsh wrote:the Vatican reckons religions shouldn’t be made the butt of jokes.
That's a joke, right?

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Post by Diebert van Rhijn » Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:47 pm

Get Real wrote: They need de-sensitizing something fierce. It's always a shock in the beginning, then after some time you find yourself laughing heartily with the crowd, and you wonder what the hell it was you were defending so way back when. (...)

Either way I don't really give a shit. (...)

They will have much else to worry about, to learn. Like how to get laid, and how to work two jobs without passing out, and how best to serve woman and children-- just like our good'ol American boys have learned.
De-sensitization, thats the key, thats the solution, don't you know?
Well, it was called the 'final solution' before in other foreshadowing circumstances. But like you I don't care much about it either.

Religious fundamentalists better stick with their own newspapers. Freedom means you're not forced to be exposed to anything one considers to be bullshit or offending. The world is getting too small though it seems.

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Post by avidaloca » Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:56 pm

This Amazon.com review of Weininger's 2005 translation of Sex and Character merits posting in this discussion of Western society.


The Truth Hurts

I recently lost my old battered paperback copy of Weininger's "Sex and Character", and to say I was upset is an understatement. So I was delighted to be able to purchase this new version from Amazon, which in hardback form should last a lot longer than my old one. Which is good because this work of philosophy is simply the most important and enlightening material I have ever read and I want it to go with me to my grave. However I do wish that when modern publishers reprint this book that they would refrain from adding their worthless and prejudiced "tuppence worth" in the form of introductions, book-sleeve descriptions etc. They should simply publish Weininger's famous work in its original form without adding anything to it, as they are not qualified to judge the great Man. As Otto clearly mentions in his treatise, instead of rebutting his logical assertions as to the nature of womankind with equally logically derived and intelligent debate, women and the defenders of women (feminine males) simply slander him with the label Misogynist and Anti-semite (even though He was of Jewish origin himself and was therefore better placed than most to understand the mind of the Jew) etc etc, which has the desired effect of immediately stifling any intelligent analysis of his work. It seems people never change. 100 years after his death and what he predicted has come true. Western Society has sunk ever deeper and deeper into a feminine age. Western Society IS feminine: Absolutely material, devoid of a Soul, of any morality or ethics or religiousness. This is NOT because women have become stronger. As Otto clearly shows they are incapable of ever becoming anything other than they are by nature. It is that men have become weaker, less conscious, ie more feminine. Men have descended, thus giving the appearance that women have ascended. Thankyou so much Otto for your invaluable insights that have helped me to understand the nature of Man and especially woman. I suspect that when you wrote your work 100 years ago you knew it could only ever be understood and appreciated by the few rare Men of the World, of which you were one, and you wrote it for them. I owe you a debt of gratitude.
Men (you know who you are), I suggest you get a copy of Otto's timeless work now, before it disappears forever. I am still amazed that it is even available in this backward age of ours.

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Post by Diebert van Rhijn » Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:07 am

sue hindmarsh wrote: I can’t agree with you that Western culture is “nihilistic”; it constitutes many “value based” religions, philosophies and cultures.
But at the core of each Western value you'll find nihilism and some decadent, feminine manifestations. It's hard to see when growing up in it and being part of it. But it's appeal is currently spreading that fast that soon we cannot use the term 'Western' anymore, just as we had to let go of 'Christendom' to name this type of civilisation.
What makes Western culture so appealing is the fact that we can look outside of our own lives, and our own borders, to gain information and to share information, and not feel threatened. Our culture is not ‘static’; we are always changing, adapting, and incorporating.
It's the ultimate feminine culture. Of course it's appealing but it's interesting you were not able to spot the link to the feminine here, or are not making a big deal out of it.
Evidence of the West’s ‘maturity’ is the way we expose a lot of our own, and other people’s faults and foibles, inconsistencies and absurdities, through humour.
Humor is nothing but certain mental disconnects that stir up buried anxieties which are then relieved by the process of laughter and amusement. On a deeper level they point to the greater absurdities of our existence itself. Humor can be said to expose, when engaged with enough consciousness, as well to camouflage, when done without it.

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Post by avidaloca » Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:16 am

Humor is nothing but certain mental disconnects that stir up buried anxieties which are then relieved by the process of laughter and amusement. On a deeper level they point to the greater absurdities of our existence itself. Humor can be said to expose, when engaged with enough consciousness, as well to camouflage, when done without it.
Germans are often accused of having no sense of humour which is true for a fair number of them. A couple of months ago I lived with a German friend for a month and she only laughed once - when drunk at an Octoberfest. It's probably because their consciousness is more open to certain truths, particularly about some aspects of the feminine mind. For example, she would refer to women as being like snakes, which I've never seen a woman do before.

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Post by Dan Rowden » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:28 am

ksolway wrote:Rather than complaining, Muslims should be thankful that people are pointing out their faults.
You don't seriously expect Muslims to look at it this way, do you? To imagine that a cartoon showing Mohammed (who according to Islamic law should never be depicted) with a turban shaped like a bomb could possibly have this effect on Muslims is hopeful in the extreme. And, frankly, I don't see why it should.
If someone drew a cartoon of Jesus setting fire to witches I don't think it would be at all offensive.
I can't believe you believe that!


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Post by sue hindmarsh » Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:33 pm

Dan wrote:
You don't seriously expect Muslims to look at it this way, do you?
They are looking at it that “way”; burning and breaking furniture is their way of saying, “thanks for pointing out that we believe in fairy tales and love indulging in female hysterics – now onward brothers to destroy those evil soft furnishings”.

Well okay, they aren’t thanking the West for pointing out their "faults" to them, but they are showing (once again) the reason they need their faults pointed out to them.
And, frankly, I don't see why it should.
Why shouldn’t it?

Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Jew, academic philosopher, scientist etc, all deserve a chance to escape ignorance – this cartoon could be the key that unlocks their minds. Or, maybe not? It’s a hit or miss affair.
I can't believe you believe that!
Why not? That’s what he did.

The witch burners were acting in accordance with his Dad’s book “The Bible” – of which Jesus features in quite a few chapters in the second part. Therefore he, along with his Dad, must take half of the blame for the slaughter of midwives, herbalists, the mentally ill, naughty children, nagging wives, and male upstarts – all of which were happily labeled ‘witches’.

The other half of the blame would have to be accepted by those 'compassionate' Christians who, being bored and needing an injection of excitement in their lives, pointed out the ‘witches’ and lit the fires.

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Post by Kevin Solway » Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:02 pm

drowden wrote:
ksolway wrote:Rather than complaining, Muslims should be thankful that people are pointing out their faults.
You don't seriously expect Muslims to look at it this way, do you?
No I don't expect Muslims to see it that way, but I think we must treat Muslims with the same respect we would show any other human being. That means pointing out their faults to them whether they like it or not.

The only alternative is to treat Muslims like insane people, and generally ignore them, and keep them a long way away from us.

By making critical cartoons we are in fact treating them like fellow human beings, who share the same world. In a sense it is respectful . . . better than having false manners.
If someone drew a cartoon of Jesus setting fire to witches I don't think it would be at all offensive.


I can't believe you believe that!
I think most Christians would understand this as being a criticism of Christianity, rather than trying to paint Jesus himself as a murderer.

However, even if we tried to paint Jesus himself as a murderer - if we had any evidence of it - Christians should not be cushioned from the criticism.

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Post by Jamesh » Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:06 pm

They are looking at it that “way”; burning and breaking furniture is their way of saying, “thanks for pointing out that we believe in fairy tales and love indulging in female hysterics – now onward brothers to destroy those evil soft furnishings”.

nahh. They are just having fun. When you are poor male a bit of mob madness is the next best thing to a bit woman domination. It's cheap and exciting. Their Imans of course are also playing politics.

IMO, it is the latter which is the real underlying cause of their religion being so important to them. Mock Mohammed and mock that part of their egos that relate to the masculine desire for domination. They know women have power in the West and if the West comes in and gives their women power, they'll lose the satisfaction that comes from knowing each and every male can dominate someone.

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Post by Get Real » Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:55 pm

They're frustrated to no end, glory has never seemed more remote. With every passing moment it becomes increasingly clear that a violent solution is the only solution. Much of the thanks rests with the christian crusaders. Nothing perpetuates agression better than agression. Iran will get it's bomb, and lead allah's children to freedom; may have it already. A rather bad time to be an eastern jew.
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Post by Dan Rowden » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:37 pm

Kevin: Rather than complaining, Muslims should be thankful that people are pointing out their faults.

Dan: You don't seriously expect Muslims to look at it this way, do you?

Kevin: No I don't expect Muslims to see it that way, but I think we must treat Muslims with the same respect we would show any other human being. That means pointing out their faults to them whether they like it or not.
Well, yes, I agree with that in principle. In any queue of people determined to demonstrate Islam's (or any religion's) folly I would be as near to the front as I could get - but - I just can't swallow the idea that some smartarse cartoonist is doing this in an intelligent way. What was the intended or expected consequence of those cartoons? That Muslims might see the folly of their religion? That is too stupid an expectation to warrant consideration. I leave room in my critique for standing corrected, but I can't help but think that it was all about mindless provocation.
Kevin: If someone drew a cartoon of Jesus setting fire to witches I don't think it would be at all offensive.

Dan: I can't believe you believe that!

Kevin: I think most Christians would understand this as being a criticism of Christianity, rather than trying to paint Jesus himself as a murderer.
I get the uneasy feeling that you're trying to paint Xianity as more reasonable in order to make Islam look less. I don't agree that significant sections of Xianity would see things your way at all. Remember the interesting art work "Piss Christ" and the furore that created wherever it was displayed? That was tame compared to depicting Jesus burning witches.

I just don't see how essentially dumb provocation of religious nuttery achieves anything, especially in the global political environment we have. One of the chief reasons I object to such blarney is that it achieves nothing of intellectual merit in derailing religion. Moral dislike for religious fundamentalism and the forms that it takes, does not, of itself, constitute an argument that its beliefs are wrong.

I don't see how inciting the fanatical into inevitable expressions of that fanaticsm has any practical merit whatever.

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Post by Kevin Solway » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:45 pm

drowden wrote:I just can't swallow the idea that some smartarse cartoonist is doing this in an intelligent way.
Agreed. I haven't seen the cartoons. They might indeed be crass. If it isn't done in an intelligent, wise, and compassionate way, then it's just mindless entertainment . . . beating up on the little guy just for the fun of it.

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Post by Diebert van Rhijn » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:23 pm

It's not so much religious sensitivity in my view. That would be a too simplistic, too Western view on the problem. In the Islamic culture a more volatile, direct, in-your-face aggression toward events that seem unacceptable to them is quite common.

For example the recent disaster with the sunken ferry in Egypt. Angry relatives enter the offices of the ferry company and throw furniture on the street, burn company posters and so on.

They should really learn to file their complaints to the appointed complaint office, hire a lawyer, call the national consumer agency or publish page size advertisements in some big newspaper to vent their anger! You know, the Western way of showing contempt, organized and professional at least.

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Post by DHodges » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:49 pm

Get Real wrote: I applaude Christopher Hitchins "slims demand a special right not to be offended": exactly, and not while i'm still breathing!
Let the god-damn babies burn and destroy whatever they want, let the undisiplined fools make a real mess of things, just watch and let them take it to the extreme, pray they take it to the extreme, HELP them take it to the extreme, by posting more and more offensive cartoons. Give the sane world a good reason
to spank those spoiled slim-babies, and spank them good, once and for all, spank them in a way they will never forget.
For those not in the U.S., there was a minor furor last year over the "War on Christmas". According to some Christians, saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" is offensive. Seems like a demand for a special right to me.

There are those in the U.S. trying to turn it into a theocracy. They are no different from the fuckheads in the Middle East.

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