DFBatosee wrote:well...think of this....titanium incenerates at about 3000 degrees....jet plane oil can only burn at about 1900....now that being the case why did nobody find any propeller blades....how did they put out 10,000 gallons of jet fuel in just a few mintues...that plane was heading over seas....it was full...2 firetrucks couldnt have even begun to put that out in 20 minutes....there would have been a huge hole....huge....it was a 747....
You are either preaching to the converted, or shouting at the deaf. I have repeatedly suggested that we need a congressional hearing to go into these reports, but have yet to see any indication that will happen. But what you can do that will be of some use, is to think about what it is you think, and why you think that way.
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converted include large numbers of those who changed their mind thinking about reports such as yours. And since they changed their minds once, you may be able to add to their thinking in some constructive way. But then, there are those like Bush, who have conviction. Which seems to be based on faith, since the logical support is so lacking. St. Paul said that reason was not sufficient to reach truth, that one needed to rely on faith. From what else he had to say, I can see how his position would appeal to those millons whose powers of reason are too limited. There is no way to use reason to enlighten them.
More to the point of what did happen on 9/11/2001, is what will happen as a result. We can see that it united the nation, but we also see that when a lie is used to do this, the group think needed to support it limits creativity and stifles innovation. After all, it is the deviant thinkers who first began posting about the logical inconsistencies- such as you cite. The planners of the false flag event were not even able to foresee the failure of the Iraq war to deliver more oil to their supporters. And they are certainly not able now to see which way the nation is headed- the dissolution of the Untied States of Denial.
Not getting the oil, meant not getting the money. And not getting the money has driven the value of the dollar down, middle class incomes down, and foreclosure and bankruptcy up. Already there are cities that are suing the financial sector for damages to their tax base from all the foreclosures. I dunno if that will work or not, but in the meantime, while this works its way thru the courts, city tax revenues are falling. At the same time when urban social safety nets are already straining.
Dr. Freud noted how convinced neurotics were of their delusions. He also saw that it took a severe shock to wake them up to reality. Rational discourse was met with remarkably inventive excuses for why neurotics think as they do. But then, when awakened, they wake up angry.
Epictetus commented on this 2000 years ago, saying that when a man convinced him that he was wrong, Epictetus was grateful to no longer be thinking wrongly. But when he performed the same service for another, the man always went away angry. And that anger is damn fucking dangerous.
It was the economic stresses felt by the masses in Germany, Italy, and Russia that produced Hitler, Mussolini, and Lenin. And like today's Americans, their grasp of history was so weak they did not know what they were in for. A lot of them today dont even know who Lenin and Mussolini were, and were it not for the neoNazis, they would not know who Hitler was either.
But lies like 911, have interest; they compound over time. To start with, they have powerful interests behind them, which themselves are deluded by group think, who also have little or no knowledge of history; much less Machiavelli. After 9/11/2001 we were given Saddam's WMD lies. And that led to the Patriot act, and the functional dismemberment of the Bill of Rights which has always held this nation together.
Another tactic of the power elite promoters of deception is
divide and conquer the electorate into ever more sectarian and ethnic factions. Had they read Machiavelli, they'd understand how this leads to the partition of republics such as is proposed for Iraq, and demonstrated in what had been Yugoslavia. So now, the candidates can promise one audience something in English, but go to another venue, and promise Latinos something else in spanish.
More languages result in more lies. They speak in visual emotional appeals to the fundies, but speak behind closed doors to lobbyists and financial backers. The ultimate upshot of 911 is that nobody actually speaks for the nation any more.
So, if you have the attention span to read this far, it is time to consider who speaks for you, and who you can speak to that will listen to what you have to say. The place to find that is in a homogeneous community of people like yourself, who understand where you are coming from. The Jews have Israel; the Amish have their farm country. The Latinos have a wide variety of governments to choose from.
Where do the followers of Plato and Aristotle, those who tried to rely on logic go?