Re: The World of Woman - Rich Zubaty & Sue Hindmarsh
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:50 pm
The definition of ‘Masculinity’ or ‘Femininity’ (of oneself) should come from the respective gender one belongs to. A woman cannot ‘teach’ a boy to become a man, anymore than a man can teach a girl to become a woman. (ie. Rich’s statement of men not teaching boys anymore holds true to a very large degree today.). When men listen to women to define their worth (ie. The 90’s, when women said they wanted a ‘Sensitive New Age Guy’.) – men obliged, and women complained even more.
Talking ‘philosophically’ about ideas is fine – but a grasp of reality and the way each sex tends to choose to live is paramount.
Saying that ‘Women are equal to men’ is just politeness. It’s a concession to politically-correct rules. It has little to do with reason. Men (as opposed to males) generally have a secure notion of who they are. Men who base their thinking (rather than feeling) without the approval of the ‘woman’ are being more honest with themselves as far as I can see.
Feminism is a spolit rich child.
It acts tough, then hides behind its vagina.
One of the most important points in the podcast that summed up my shared thinking is the notion of RESPONSIBILITY.
The reason I’m so tired of feminists and our socio-political culture of ‘woman’ is that is avoids the notion of responsibility when it comes to women.
If women want to ‘change’ their beliefs – fine. Be what you want.
But I wish they’d stop complaining that the world doesn’t change with them.
It reminds me of a quote (though the author escapes me) of - “Nothing is as much a pain on God’s green earth as someone who follows you around demanding that you master them.†- and if one couples that with the cliché that it’s a “womans prerogative to change her mind†– it really is no surprise that many men have reached their limit with feminists today. (read: The decline in marriage & womens unhappiness about the decline of the ‘gentleman’.). The observation, to me, is that men are increasingly tired of the modern belligerent woman. When one weighs up the benefits of a relationship with a feminist (read: most women), and the negatives – it’s not that surprising that we have more bachelors and ‘never married’ men than EVER before in recorded history.
One’s own personal experiences only serve to pronounce some of these issues.
Relationships today are really one-sided. If a male wants to be with a woman (by-&-large) it MUST be on her terms, otherwise he knows he really hasn’t much of a chance. She’s the one to say ‘yes’ or ‘no’. She has the final say. That’s another reason for men agreeing with feminist ideas. “Yes dear†seems to be the prevailing ‘Meme’ of males today. They want keep the women in their lives happy. They want the women around them to continue to say ‘yes’ to them.
The concept of feminism and the modern woman is so ‘self-centered’ (at the exclusion of all else) that its understandable to see the bitterness in the air. The modern ‘woman’ has modeled herself into something which men are finding increasingly 1-dimensional and childish. What man could seriously look at one of these (as Sue put it) ‘children’, and see a responsible mother? The ‘me’ focus to most of women’s thinking (feeling?) is pronounced in the sciences where women are almost non-existent. Women cannot see much worth in things if it is not DIRECTLY related to an immediate (usually material) gain.
A woman can see no point in mathematics, unless she’s part of the equation.
Or as Camille Paglia said: “There will never be a female Einstien, because there will never be a female Jack the Ripper.â€
Women (in general) simply cannot go, or have no interest in, committing to (often lifelong) abstract ideas/goals.
The pronouncements that modern women voice that men are ‘afraid’ a STRONG, INDEPENDENT woman is laughable. Men are not ‘afraid’. We’re ‘tired’. Tired of bending over backwards to give women everything they want, just so we might be worthy of them, but never getting there. And as time passes, it seems like the approval is a hoax.
In today’s feminist culture, for men fortunate enough to avoid marriage/children until their 30s/40s (when their sex drive starts to decline) and they can start to think WITHOUT their penis, it becomes evident that most women of similar age are panicking. Their control is diluting. But it’s too late for many women by then. Many men don’t want them any longer. They want a younger girl who treats them better, and no amount of propaganda (or Viagra) will make men want them (in men’s eyes).
I, for one, have no interest in being the ‘Prince’ to some used-up party favour.
Put it this way: If I’m in my 30s/40s, and she’s similar, but refuses to cook, clean, (her looks fading), & cant conceive any longer – then WHAT exactly is the attraction? Just sex? … well (for the shallow) – pretty much. And a lot of older women (who believed in feminist memes) are finding that sad fact out.
(A quote from an author I forget):
“Of what use is independence to a woman, if in the end she is all alone?â€
I say this not to debase or upset – but to stop the continuing avoidance of responsibility from women who ‘feel’ themselves far from danger simply because they are young and pretty. The more upsettling thing is, the older feminists don’t teach the young girls to avoid their mistakes. No. They make them as angry (at men) as they are.
It just continues.
A man will never be free (to be a man) until he no longer cares what women think of him.
Bobby.N
Talking ‘philosophically’ about ideas is fine – but a grasp of reality and the way each sex tends to choose to live is paramount.
Saying that ‘Women are equal to men’ is just politeness. It’s a concession to politically-correct rules. It has little to do with reason. Men (as opposed to males) generally have a secure notion of who they are. Men who base their thinking (rather than feeling) without the approval of the ‘woman’ are being more honest with themselves as far as I can see.
Feminism is a spolit rich child.
It acts tough, then hides behind its vagina.
One of the most important points in the podcast that summed up my shared thinking is the notion of RESPONSIBILITY.
The reason I’m so tired of feminists and our socio-political culture of ‘woman’ is that is avoids the notion of responsibility when it comes to women.
If women want to ‘change’ their beliefs – fine. Be what you want.
But I wish they’d stop complaining that the world doesn’t change with them.
It reminds me of a quote (though the author escapes me) of - “Nothing is as much a pain on God’s green earth as someone who follows you around demanding that you master them.†- and if one couples that with the cliché that it’s a “womans prerogative to change her mind†– it really is no surprise that many men have reached their limit with feminists today. (read: The decline in marriage & womens unhappiness about the decline of the ‘gentleman’.). The observation, to me, is that men are increasingly tired of the modern belligerent woman. When one weighs up the benefits of a relationship with a feminist (read: most women), and the negatives – it’s not that surprising that we have more bachelors and ‘never married’ men than EVER before in recorded history.
One’s own personal experiences only serve to pronounce some of these issues.
Relationships today are really one-sided. If a male wants to be with a woman (by-&-large) it MUST be on her terms, otherwise he knows he really hasn’t much of a chance. She’s the one to say ‘yes’ or ‘no’. She has the final say. That’s another reason for men agreeing with feminist ideas. “Yes dear†seems to be the prevailing ‘Meme’ of males today. They want keep the women in their lives happy. They want the women around them to continue to say ‘yes’ to them.
The concept of feminism and the modern woman is so ‘self-centered’ (at the exclusion of all else) that its understandable to see the bitterness in the air. The modern ‘woman’ has modeled herself into something which men are finding increasingly 1-dimensional and childish. What man could seriously look at one of these (as Sue put it) ‘children’, and see a responsible mother? The ‘me’ focus to most of women’s thinking (feeling?) is pronounced in the sciences where women are almost non-existent. Women cannot see much worth in things if it is not DIRECTLY related to an immediate (usually material) gain.
A woman can see no point in mathematics, unless she’s part of the equation.
Or as Camille Paglia said: “There will never be a female Einstien, because there will never be a female Jack the Ripper.â€
Women (in general) simply cannot go, or have no interest in, committing to (often lifelong) abstract ideas/goals.
The pronouncements that modern women voice that men are ‘afraid’ a STRONG, INDEPENDENT woman is laughable. Men are not ‘afraid’. We’re ‘tired’. Tired of bending over backwards to give women everything they want, just so we might be worthy of them, but never getting there. And as time passes, it seems like the approval is a hoax.
In today’s feminist culture, for men fortunate enough to avoid marriage/children until their 30s/40s (when their sex drive starts to decline) and they can start to think WITHOUT their penis, it becomes evident that most women of similar age are panicking. Their control is diluting. But it’s too late for many women by then. Many men don’t want them any longer. They want a younger girl who treats them better, and no amount of propaganda (or Viagra) will make men want them (in men’s eyes).
I, for one, have no interest in being the ‘Prince’ to some used-up party favour.
Put it this way: If I’m in my 30s/40s, and she’s similar, but refuses to cook, clean, (her looks fading), & cant conceive any longer – then WHAT exactly is the attraction? Just sex? … well (for the shallow) – pretty much. And a lot of older women (who believed in feminist memes) are finding that sad fact out.
(A quote from an author I forget):
“Of what use is independence to a woman, if in the end she is all alone?â€
I say this not to debase or upset – but to stop the continuing avoidance of responsibility from women who ‘feel’ themselves far from danger simply because they are young and pretty. The more upsettling thing is, the older feminists don’t teach the young girls to avoid their mistakes. No. They make them as angry (at men) as they are.
It just continues.
A man will never be free (to be a man) until he no longer cares what women think of him.
Bobby.N