Re: Suggestion List
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:30 pm
There is a great deal of money being made selling this sort of material, and Franco is just one of many. I read some pretty in-depth material, originally written in French and then translated into Spanish, that I thought was actually better than Franco's stuff, and that is mostly where I formed my opinion.
The whole genre really begins with Ovid, and so is really a part of the Roman ideal, the 'pagan' ideal, which Christianity struggled so hard against. The whole idea and practice of seduction is pretty much counter to the whole (Christian) idea of finding a nice, chaste girl, settling down performing one's Christian duty as a decent, upright citizen, and working in the direction of elevation of one's character and community, amen. The doctrines of seduction that are coming out now, in my opinion, stem more than anything else from the pornography industry.
But yes, the core doctrines, which are cynical, will of course get modified, softened, sweetened, pc-corrected, tabulated, correlated---whatever it takes to sell it to as many people as possible. The blog you linked to seems the beginning of that process. However, the core doctrines of seduction lay it out on the line, without mincing words.
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It's all rather funny in my case. I have likely 'been' with as many as a hundred different women, more than likely more, in all sorts of different arrangements. Desiring women, wanting women---I see clearly now---was a branch and a function of my spiritual life. It was a hunt and a chase but always on 'spiritual terms'. It had to have an elevated element, it could never have been merely base, and yet it was about a form of seduction. Meeting and having relationships, or spiritual romances as the case often was, was the means that I felt 'Gods' presence, and the means through which God communicated to me. (I am not joking) Of course this is all later evolutions of the romantic ideal, but in my case it had other strains there too---shamanic, 'individualistic', even transcendental. It was never really about the other person, it was about me and 'God', the spirit, 'the owner of destiny'. Now that I think about it, it is a really odd way to have relationships with people, with women. In a sense it was acutely selfish. In another, the best way to go. Very realistic. (You could call it, then, 'chauvinistic'). I longed for women, and I found them, but the last thing on my mind---the very last and the most remote thing---was settling down with them, establishing a relationship in typical terms. So, I never did.
You could say (and I do sometimes say) that 'I wasted opportunities'. Another interpretation is that my essential and core interest was my own spiritual life. I use that term in a far wider sense than it seems to be used here.
The whole genre really begins with Ovid, and so is really a part of the Roman ideal, the 'pagan' ideal, which Christianity struggled so hard against. The whole idea and practice of seduction is pretty much counter to the whole (Christian) idea of finding a nice, chaste girl, settling down performing one's Christian duty as a decent, upright citizen, and working in the direction of elevation of one's character and community, amen. The doctrines of seduction that are coming out now, in my opinion, stem more than anything else from the pornography industry.
But yes, the core doctrines, which are cynical, will of course get modified, softened, sweetened, pc-corrected, tabulated, correlated---whatever it takes to sell it to as many people as possible. The blog you linked to seems the beginning of that process. However, the core doctrines of seduction lay it out on the line, without mincing words.
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It's all rather funny in my case. I have likely 'been' with as many as a hundred different women, more than likely more, in all sorts of different arrangements. Desiring women, wanting women---I see clearly now---was a branch and a function of my spiritual life. It was a hunt and a chase but always on 'spiritual terms'. It had to have an elevated element, it could never have been merely base, and yet it was about a form of seduction. Meeting and having relationships, or spiritual romances as the case often was, was the means that I felt 'Gods' presence, and the means through which God communicated to me. (I am not joking) Of course this is all later evolutions of the romantic ideal, but in my case it had other strains there too---shamanic, 'individualistic', even transcendental. It was never really about the other person, it was about me and 'God', the spirit, 'the owner of destiny'. Now that I think about it, it is a really odd way to have relationships with people, with women. In a sense it was acutely selfish. In another, the best way to go. Very realistic. (You could call it, then, 'chauvinistic'). I longed for women, and I found them, but the last thing on my mind---the very last and the most remote thing---was settling down with them, establishing a relationship in typical terms. So, I never did.
You could say (and I do sometimes say) that 'I wasted opportunities'. Another interpretation is that my essential and core interest was my own spiritual life. I use that term in a far wider sense than it seems to be used here.