When NO means YES and she's not lying

[DEL]

It is possible for her to be saying "no" verbally and "no" physically and actually meaning "yes" and yet she is not lying.

How is this possible?

[voce io]

This is a bad route to go, especially when you're having intimate contact with women. You might end up raping a girl, Del. I hope you don't do that. I've seen too many girls messed up because guys molested them when they were younger (of course, rape can mess a person up at any age).

I say that you should be honest with women. If they see you as a morally strong guy, they'll want to get you, so they'll try to mirror how you behave. They'll be honest, and good, too. Who knows, maybe there are even girls out there who are already honest and good...maybe you're just looking with the wrong intentions?

The trick to good relationships is self cultivation. Analyze what you want out of a girl, and look at your own self to see if that's what you have...let's say it's beauty. Of course every guy eating potato chips on the couch wearing a wife beater watching porn wants a hot girlfriend, but the ones who look good generally get the others that look good. If you want a smart girl, you need to be smart. An honest girl, be honest. There's the old and kind of stupid saying: you are what you eat. Well, I would flip it around and change 'eat' to 'get'. You get what you are.


...and yes it is possible. You can be role playing.

[WolfsonJakk]

DEL, how many times do I have to tell you that if you would just stick with prostitutes (and pay them what they so righteously deserve plus tip) then you wouldn't have to concern yourself with this silliness.

I mean, a prostitute knows she is a prostitute. I find that rather enlightening for both men and women.

Tharan

[DEL]

Quote:Quote:<hr>voce io
You get what you are.<hr>

Excellent!
The question returns - what are you?
Who am I?

If cannot consciously trust yourself you cannot consciously trust anybody.

[DEL]

Quote:Quote:<hr>voce io
This is a bad route to go, especially when you're having intimate contact with women. You might end up raping a girl, Del. I hope you don't do that.<hr>

Rapist get themselves into rape situations because they are ignorant of themselves.
People who go around saying they would never do this and never do that are more often than not the very ones who end up doing it.
Go around telling everyone that you would never fight anyone see how long you last without a fight.
All generous people who love to give gifts are also thieves. For every action there is a reaction.

Take - Consensual - Beg
Take - Non consensual - Plunder
Give - Consensual - Present
Give - Non consensual - Rape

[voce io]

I agree with you on some levels, but my point in saying that was to make sure that when a girl is saying "no" to you, you don't go ahead thinking she is lying and means "yes".

[DEL]

Rape a woman is like the rape of the earth and like the hostile enslavement of a community.
Who here hates the products of rape?

[silentsal]

Quote:Quote:<hr>Who here hates the products of rape?<hr>

the products of rape should not be hated

[voce io]

The products of raping a woman should be hated.

[silentsal]

would you hate the child that is conceived through rape?


what other products are there?

[suergaz]

Sal is right. A child could not be hated.

[suergaz]

But she hates me!

[silentsal]

Quote:Quote:<hr>But she hates me!<hr>

What are you on about? I don't believe in God I believe in You suergaz!

[suergaz]

I love you sal, but don't believe in me too much or everyone will start doing it and then no-one won't know what to do or nothin

[MGregory]

Quote:Quote:<hr>silentsal, speaking of rape: -- what other products are there?<hr>
The victim and/or rapist may have sustained injuries in the rape, which could be considered products of the rape. Their clothes may have gotten torn in the rape, which could also be considered a product. They could have left blood and semen on the ground, which are products. The memories they have of the rape and any psychological impact/damage could be considered products. Basically, anything that occurs as a result of the rape is a product of the rape.

[suergaz]

That's obvious Matt. What sal was showing was that it is impossible to hate every product of a rape if one of them happened to be a child.

[MGregory]

Well, I think it's debatable whether or not it's possible to hate children. Did you hear about the woman in North Carolina or wherever who a couple of years ago drowned her two children in her car because her boyfriend used them as an excuse to break up with her? I think it's probably likely that she came to hate them. However, I didn't interpret voce io to mean children should be hated, I figured he was talking about the psychological effects on the victim.

[silentsal]

Quote:Quote:<hr>I figured he was talking about the psychological effects on the victim.<hr>


Why hate them why not just deal with them?

[MGregory]

I don't know, that doesn't very productive to me either. We'll have to wait and see what Voce has to say about it. But from what I can tell by talking to a few people who have been raped/molested it's very difficult to deal with and they end up hating a lot of things.

[MGregory]

Oh, except for my college roommate who claimed to lost his virginity to three girls that raped him when he was 15 or 16, but I'll have to chalk that up as an exception :-)

[voce io]

Sal,

Let's say I shit everywhere, and killed whoever I wanted, and made bombs and fucked little children. Of course it's not productive to "hate" me, but it IS productive to stop me from doing all of those things. To see those things as disgusting and horrible. If you are suggesting we just let problems accumulate, and do nothing to avoid them, then you can do that. You don't prove yourself to be wise at all, though. Of course a girl would have to deal with psychological trauma, but do we want girls having to deal with psychological trauma? I don't.