Tumbleman/OS 012 link/goodbye

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Post by Jamesh » Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:43 pm

MKFaizi wrote:Dicks? How do you equate wisdom with penises?
Ask the QRS what they think about, care about and what they want to see last – and they’ll say wisdom

Ask any masculine man what they think about, care about and what the want to see last – and say their wife/mistress/girlfriend/family and kids. In other words the means to spread their genes.

Is not spoken wisdom exactly the same as DNA. A tool to transfer information to another to make them grow.

I’m a little surprised you had to ask.
You are naive and inexperienced. Like most of those posting here. Still hung up on your genitals.

Your post is most revealing -- not necessarily of QSR but of your own weaknesses.
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Post by David Quinn » Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:12 pm

James wrote:
This is true. My mind continues to be very flowy. I flit from one thing to the next - but is it this way because I do not have as many solid attachments as others? I'm still learning, growing (I hope).

This is my initial response. What is your opinion?
I think you look for ways to philosophize in a distracted, indirect manner and people like Tumbleman suit that kind of purpose for you.

I just can't see how you are being rational relative to the circumstances. If you want wisdom to survive then you must work to create a world that humans can survive in, one of the first steps should be to remove the massive distraction of petty conflict. Nor quite frankly do I accept the boredom reason, I think you talked yourself into being bored.
It's the truth. You couldn't even call it a conversation, really. I wanted to talk about Reality, the Infinite, the spiritual path, getting rid of the ego, etc, and he just wanted to talk about the new telephone he's invented.

I think David is making a fundamental error in his decision that his sort of wisdom is what is required at the moment. He is far too idealistic.
It's a matter of priorities. Wisdom is probably beyond the reach of most people in the world today, but I believe there are still many thousands of individuals who can awaken to it. And so I have chosen to devote my energy to them, rather than try to enlighten the human race at large. Given this purpose, it is perfectly reasonable that I behave in the way that I behave and reject the sort of surface political methodologies that Tumbleman proposes.

In being idealistic he is making the “error of relative free-will”. While he doesn’t cognitively believe in free-will in any way, underneath he must, otherwise he would be rational rather than idealistic.

I am indeed being rational, given the goal I have chosen.

What he seems to believe in is relative-free will. He recognises that ultimately there is no free will, yet he spends his life trying to achieve just that. Enlightenment is a form of relative free will – it is relative to other humans.
More accurately, enlightenment is a form of freedom. It doesn't increase your free-will in any way, due to the fact that we don't have any to begin with, but it does free you from the unpleasantness of false thinking and suffering.

On the other hand, enlightenment does provide you with far more possibilities and choices, because you are no longer bound by the kind of debilitating fears which cause most people to put up their mental barriers and shrink away from life.

He is saying that he is free from the affect of emotions and of irrationality and thus has a higher, more noble consciousness. He says that they free themselves from irrationality and in the process free themselves from the binds of strong causes such as morality, conventions, conformity, mental barriers. Is a mind with less barriers of the nature of a freer will? (Ultimately it isn’t, it is one that is just based on memory and the brains CPU).

The enlightened mind is free of conventions and mental barriers, but bound by the dictates of logic and truth. So in a sense, it doesn't experience any increase in freedom at all. It merely changes its shackles.

It is NOT a higher form of consciousness, but merely a different form – it has a different mode of operation. If it was a higher form than he would have to call himself a mystic, which he doesn’t.
It is higher according to my set of values - higher even than mysticism.


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Post by Jamesh » Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:54 pm

By coincidence, I'm reading Human, All Too Human atm, and this is what I read this evening (coincidences seem to happen a fair bit with good ol' Nietzsche, you read a bit of his work or some topic on a forum, which evokes a few henid thoughts and somewhere over the next few readings, there those henids will be in expanded and refined form).

Genius incompatible with the ideal state
The socialists desire to create a comfortable life for as many as possible. If the enduring homeland of this comfortable life, the perfect state, were really to be attained, then this comfortable life would destroy the soil out of which great intellect and the powerful individual in general grows: by which I mean great energy.

If this state is achieved mankind would become too feeble still to be able to produce the genius.
Ought one therefore not to desire that life should retain its violent character and savage forces and energies continue to be called up again and again?

The warm, sympathizing heart will, of course, desire precisely the abolition of that savage and violent character of life, and the warmest heart one could imagine would long for it the most passionately: and yet precisely this passion would nonetheless have destroyed it's fire, it's warmth, indeed it's very existence from that savage and violent character of life; the warmest heart thus desires the abolition of it's own foundation, the destruction of itself, which is to say it does something illogical, it lacks intelligence.

The highest intelligence and the warmest heart cannot coexist in the same person, and the sage who pronounces judgement on life places himself above goodness as well and regards it as something only to be taken into account together with everything else in the assessment of life. Spiritually, I'm prolly about here, I regard it as something to be taken into account in manipulating people to change towards wisdom, and I think this is why David and co use terms like 'noble' and so on

The sage has to resist these extravagant desires of unintelligent goodness, because his concern is the continuance of his type and the eventual creation of the supreme intellect; at the very least he will refrain from promoting the foundation of the 'perfect state' , inasmuch as only the enfeebled individuals can have any place in it. David apparently works in this domain

[some stuff about Christ that I'm too lazy to type]

The State is a prudent institution for the protection of individuals against one another: If it is completed and perfected too far it will in the end enfeeble the individual and, indeed, dissolve him - that is too say, thwart the original purpose of the State in the most thorough way possible. [clearly proven by modern society].

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Post by Bubblefish » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:22 am

Hi Genius Crowd- Just poppin' by to say hello and check in.


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Post by Dan Rowden » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:22 am

Hey Tumble. What do you know that's worth repeating?

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Post by unwise » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:39 am


I was about to comment on your excellent insights.....

and then I realized you were quoting Freddy Boy.

You couldn't get people like Melville without the shitty whaling industry and the corrupt heartless capitalists, the brutal weather, fear, terror, obsessions, tooth aches etc. All good for making a Melville. "Moby Dick', by the way, is a book about enlightenment.

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Post by Wild Fox Zen » Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:31 pm

this thread is classic

go Tumblefish!!

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Post by Bubblefish » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:40 pm

Happy New Year everyone.

Upon reflection, cant tell you all how much I enjoyed and learned from my discussions here awhile back, and I mean that sincererly, my regards to DQ, Dan, and many others.....

OS 012 has been in continual evolvment, and is in pre-grant phase as we speak. Some highlights- suprising to me because I wasnt looking for it, it appears that some interesting and sober brain research backs up a few tenets of OS 012 in Theory, attracting the attention of some very intelligent researchers in those fields...

Very exiting for me, new year looks beautiful and exciting ahead.

Hope you all the best,


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Post by Carl G » Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:28 pm

OS 012... is in pre-grant phase as we speak.
I have lots of ideas also in the pre-grant phase! In fact, all of them.

Best to you, Tumble, and good luck.
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Post by Iolaus » Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:58 pm

Hello Tumbleman,

nice to see you again.
Truth is a pathless land.

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Post by HUNTEDvsINVIS » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:31 am

hey Bubblefish. i doubt you are still here, but i like to talk to myself a lot anyway, so I'll start spinning. If you have been abused by a lot of people here I would like to extend my sympathies to you. Abuse is a sign of weakness on the part of the abuser, for such a person feels the need to display nasty behaviour in order to feel powerful. Fact is, if the person is not able to counter you discreetly and counter your points specifically in stead of you, the person is on a deluded power trip and tries to divert attention from the fact that he is unable to do so and feels weak. Anyway, my sympathies to the abusers as well, for you have been tormented by a capitalist and abusive society that has indoctrinated you with survival of the fittest ideas. Do we live in the jungle? maybe, maybe not. Anyway, if your ideas make sense I'll back you up. Why? Well, the smartest man who ever lived wanted the best for everyone as well. He just wanted peace. ( No not Einstein, William James Sidis ). See, he didn't see the point in tormenting the world. neither do I. I never saw it. Sure, the older i get the more I get sick of dumb people. They ruin everything. And those people who are like "I want ten kids!!" I want to smack them. Have they NEVER heard of a rapid and dangerous earth-destroying population rate? Guess not. Guess they are uneducated. A bit busy right now, will read your ideas later. But like i said, if you are trying [ at least ATTEMPTING ] to make earth a better place, I'll read your website or whatever. ciao.

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Post by HUNTEDvsINVIS » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:53 am

PS: I'm sitting here in a certain Middle-East country where there is a wild "traffic festival" going on outside my flat, and I'm freaking out. How is it goddamn possible that in one of the safest countries ( practically Utopia ) a government can allow such fast drivers [ I hear popping wheels!! ] 31 people have been killed in road accidants here in one month!! incredible.

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Re: Tumbleman/OS 012 link/goodbye

Post by Firefly » Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:30 pm

TUMBLEMAN! If it is you Ike, we have unfinished business. You have denied my attempts to face you one on one. Instead you made constant attempts to steal my hard earned truths in crowds that had not the minds to see the dangers the unearned truths could cause without the understanding of 012 we share. Let alone you without the courtesy to give IS 123 more thought than the 012 version of it.

Ethics cause me to say, " no more" and walk away. I know better now, time for a showdown. Put your money where your mouth is and show me you know win-win.

Your decade of attempts have constantly failed. I "popped" your bubble bubblefish yet your still in denial. You are stagnant. As you would put it, "Subjective".

Come, face me. One final round these many years later. Let us finally win-win together where we never did before.


Strap on your gun and let's end this.


AKA. 'Sean B.'

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Re: Tumbleman/OS 012 link/goodbye

Post by Firefly » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:03 pm

Anyone know if Bubblefish/Tumbleman is still spouting OS-012 somewhere?

I need him here and he needs me.

Our story goes back to 2002 when the Supercivilization forum was still active and anomalies.net was not bought out by AOL. You can still read the anomalies page here http://communities.anomalies.net/forum/ ... 732&page=1 The anonymous Randian poster, originally named Equallity 7-2521, that chimes in several pages in is me 10 years ago. Along with the flaw in OS-012, I found it to be too close to the truth to be dismissed.

There is something there.

If anyone is interested in the source of pure reason, please join me. I have not been able to do this on my own.

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