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Postby David Quinn » Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:09 pm

Hey Alex,

You may remember Shahrazad from Panama. She has accused you of being a racist, based on what you wrote some time ago:

You are all here having (yet another) inane conversation about 'the problem with women today'. Some of the most distorted and tendentious minds that have ever conglomerated in cyber-space! Along comes Alex (whose shtick fits marvellously here) and throws in some really outrageous statements about Panamanians (I lived in Panama for a significant amount of time). And so what the fuck!?

Human beings and human culture, said Aldous Huxley, when you really examine them without filters, is deeply disturbing, such that you will want either to exterminate humankind or put an end to yourself. They (we) are that bad, and this ridiculous badness comes in all flavors, in all races, in all cultures, and in each sex. Latinos, for various reasons, take the worst characteristics and bring them to new levels, they improve on the rat-like tendencies of human beings. They are wicked, but in permissive atmosphere no one can say anything about it. This investiture in the human rattiness takes on airs...it struts about...it decries criticism...it snivels! And one of their favorite activities is whining about their lot, and they do this with gusto and consummate skill. Additionally, (like Shah) they bitch and moan about 'imperialism' and the 'imperialist' and look for a figure to blame outside of their own attitudes, activities and choices for the misery of their present, but everything they have, which they never would have been able to attain on their own (they are quite capable of fucking up any enterprise they get into if there is not an outside force (foreigner) to guide them along) came from the work of that terrible imperialist. Their present success stems directly from taking over and managing an accomplishment they did not initiate. But they still bitch and moan though an extraordinary thing was laid in their laps. This one point (looking for someone else to blame) is a major stumbling block for Latino culture, straight across the board.

It is an erroneous vision of things that, on one side you have slobbering, irresponsible 'gay' men, and on the other intelligent, sensitive women who really deserve so much more. If the truth is to be told, you have to describe them (Panamanians, men and women) as startlingly mediocre, a culture that were it not for a collosal historical accident would still be living in bogs on a diet of yucca and platano. Almost everything they have has come from foerign influence, and the structure of what success they have from outside of their own sphere.

It may surprise you to know that on the KIR forum I have been defending you, saying that the passage expresses misanthropy, not racism. She isn't convinced and so we were both wondering if you could clear the matter up for us.

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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Talking Ass » Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:21 am

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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Diebert van Rhijn » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:00 am

Racism, not unlike fascism and extreme nationalism, finds its deeper roots in fear and loathing. It always finds the science, the cultural reviews and endless arrays of anecdotal stories to support its feeble position.

It's in this sense directly related to and perhaps even the most outward expression of ignorance, supplying hostility or constant denigration toward a sincere road with real spiritual and humanitarian goals, since this road always will push for evening out the playing field (truth as depth not as knowledge, quality over numbers, justice over capital), building on universal concepts (which we all can understand and examine in our language and experiences) and questioning upheld authorities and traditions (as in the real, actual living traditions one can always find many opposing interpretations, just as in any academic field of the humanities).
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Re: Alex and racism

Postby David Quinn » Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:20 pm

By the way, here is a funny little opinion piece on Genius Forum by some hack over at KIR. It's nice to know they are thinking of us....

Genius Forum is brimming with wasted lives. Socially awkward, aimless, purposeless, suicidal...they proceed toward the beacon that is QRS like zombies seeking life, finding comfort in joining other misfits like themselves. Misfits like QRS, who rather than pick up a pick and shovel and do the heavy lifting that life demands and rewards with such gifts as the love of a good woman, children, and friends, revel in their nothingness, deluding themselves and others into believing that the biggest prize is awarded to those who do the least--think the least, feel the least, relate the least...live the least.

QRS is more dangerous and more destructive than any terrorist; and like terrorist organizations, they attract, young, impressionable minds and destroy their lives. Like terrorist recruiters, they make promises of unimaginable riches, but like their own fantasies of Enlightenment, such riches exist and remain only in their overactive, vivid imaginations. On rare occasion, the principles speak of alleviating suffering and pain, almost as an afterthought, secondary to their selfish agenda. But perusal of any of the writings of not only QRS, but also their misguided disciples, reveals that every member of the cult is filled with as much hate and venom as those who sacrifice their own lives in fighting their enemies. There is precious, little evidence that any in the cult are without pain.

They taunt, belittle, and ridicule anyone who dares share a point of view in the slightest contrast to their dogma. They are as extreme as the most fundamental Muslims. Even when pointing out inconsistencies in QRS's own "teachings", their detractors are met with scorn and disgust. Does this sound like behaviour befitting the Enlightened? Their last line of defence is to accuse you of not being bright enough to comprehend them. Hint: If a lot of clearly intelligent people disagree with you, there's a good chance that it is you who do not understand.

The sad Truth is that this group is farther away from anything resembling good than groups like the Branch Davidians were. They have more in common with "the family" of Charles Manson, the sex notwithstanding. Unfortunately, the internet has made it a lot easier for the QRS psychopaths to attract the feeble minded, anti-social people on the cusp of mental breakdown that groups like them rely on for their own depraved and twisted gratification and affirmation. Lord knows they've failed to realize it in any positive, meaningful way. I just feel sorry for the innocent among them. On second thought, even QRS is as deserving of our pity. They know not what they do.

Somebody had to say it.

Although, to be fair, even Nat blanched at this.

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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Kelly Jones » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:02 pm

It's exactly what Alex has been trying to foist onto me, only far more extreme in its demonising.

Ironically, he was so close when he said that the Absolute, or Totality, mean nothing to him. If only he would take that thought further. It is rich with promise.


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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Diebert van Rhijn » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:36 pm

Hint: If a lot of clearly intelligent people disagree with you, there's a good chance that it is you who do not understand.

Fair enough. Although if everyone in your environment tells you it's time to get married and have kids, I'm sure it's God's plan for you too.

But where's the intelligence in the claims for terrorism, or even the vacuous claim of "ridicule" toward anyone with different points of view? For example, the first two selected guests on the Reasoning Show where Nat and Victor D.... and neither were any of the other guests ridiculed on air, they got as usual a good platform to explain their own views. Not to mention at least half of the members at the forum are in opposition to many of the main topics (unlike KIR I suspect, with its demanding friendship ties and the fundamentalist game of "identity by opposition to evil").

In my limited view the KIR forum has too many people like this who like to think they're "clearly" intelligent and informed but cannot comprehend the fact that they're just about average, just another cloud in the big sky. They do not represent any "common sense" or "wisdom of the crowds". They are as well further removed than they think from any academic approach and continue to produce sloppy, unthoughtful, hasty hack jobs to provide possibly a bit of personal meaning on a dull Sunday afternoon.

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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Kelly Jones » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:34 pm

This is the "necessary evil" of using a particular vehicle: people get obsessed with the frame, the power of the engine, how fast it goes, the manufacturer and its economic affairs, the colour and shininess of the housing, how popular the vehicle is, whether its windows are sun-shaded or not. They forget - or ignore? - the vehicle's purpose.

But if one didn't use some kind of vehicle, some kind of tool or conceptual framework, something in finitude that people could relate to, no one could travel at all. It really is a difficult situation. People can't help seeing the vehicle as an end in itself, so anyone who proposes a new vehicle of an unusual kind - one that really and truly can transport you somewhere - gets mocked as a charlatan, arrogant, childish, etc...

Even the best vehicle for this era - atheism and rationality - is not supposed to carry anyone anywhere. You're supposed to say it's a great thing, a modern and powerful contraption that can take you anywhere you want to go, but you are not even allowed to sit in it. That's "arrogant".


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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Talking Ass » Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:59 am

What you share in common Kelly, in my opinion, is skewed views and possibly 'view-structure' (like Nat's 'platform' of thinking). It certainly doesn't mean you are a bad person. In fact you are not. You are just 'crazy in your unique way'. You have uniquely skewed 'conceptual pathways'. I would at this point put you in a similar category as Nat: utterly invested in your own little concocted world. Maybe you are homeless and 'invested' in it in the same way?

Very little of the 'opinion piece' is what I think or say about you and you-plural. A little of it perhaps. But you are, of course, utterly impervious, right?

The absolute and the totality as a term in fact mean nothing. If they meant something, you'd be able to express it. These are communal terms---similar to hand-signs in Masonic temples perhaps?---by which people know and recognize each other. Like a devotee of some guru who wears some distinguishing pin or wears the hair in a certain way. When you encounter another it saves you all the preamble.

Diebert: "In my limited view the KIR forum has too many people like this who like to think they're "clearly" intelligent and informed but cannot comprehend the fact that they're just about average, just another cloud in the big sky. They do not represent any "common sense" or "wisdom of the crowds". They are as well further removed than they think from any academic approach and continue to produce sloppy, unthoughtful, hasty hack jobs to provide possibly a bit of personal meaning on a dull Sunday afternoon."

Oddly, I thought Perry was you...

It is more likely that they are a group of people who assemble to 'rehearse their agreements' about a particular and peculiar view of reality. They team up to find support, confidence, backup. Not unlike here...
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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Diebert van Rhijn » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:48 am

Talking Ass wrote:Oddly, I thought Perry was you...

No, I don't have any account there. But I see Perry just happens to notice the obvious too....

It is more likely that they are a group of people who assemble to 'rehearse their agreements' about a particular and peculiar view of reality. They team up to find support, confidence, backup. Not unlike here...

Yes, but that could easily lead to limiting what "reality" means to you: a shared perception of the world reinforced by cherry-picking reading and rehashing, strengthening your so-called conceptual (neurological?) pathways. Which would mean you're not saying anything but: everyone has his peculiar self-affirming reality going on. A good question would be to wonder if one can have "no particular" or "no peculiar" view. A "no view" and how that could work out in practice.

One problem and source of confusion at this forum is the conflation of particular views on certain conceptual complexities (women, Christianity, war) and having "no-idea", no fixed attachment to any particular manifestation or higher order image (which doesn't equal sensation to me, which lies at the reflex and instinctual level). The first types are in my view opinion rather arbitrarily selected to lead to the second. That is, they are selected because they experimentally challenge the contemporary guy''s holy cows probably more than others would. In your case you might select high-fiving Zionism or criticizing Latin Americans. By the way, I don't see you as racist although I do think your particular loathing might take you close at times.

So, I noticed the KIR folks are finding out more about your debating fallacies, heheheh. This strengthens my theory you keep on reaping the same reactions everywhere you post, simply because you simplify everything to someone else's neurosis, something faulty according to your personal scale of sanity, hiding behind your own set of psychological yardsticks. The genius forum is way more socialist that way: everyone is deluded and confused if they invest anything in particular or peculiar.
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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Talking Ass » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:09 am

Mejor dicho: Perry, like you, focuses on the irrelevant and the non-essential to numerous of the points I make (made in the case of KIR). It is an expression of impotence more than anything (on his part, it seems). How terrible it must feel not to have anything to respond with...

Diebert: "One problem and source of confusion at this forum is the conflation of particular views on certain conceptual complexities (women, Christianity, war) and having "no-idea", no fixed attachment to any particular manifestation or higher order image (which doesn't equal sensation to me, which lies at the reflex and instinctual level). The first types are in my view opinion rather arbitrarily selected to lead to the second. That is, they are selected because they experimentally challenge the contemporary guy's holy cows probably more than others would. In your case you might select high-fiving Zionism or criticizing Latin Americans. By the way, I don't see you as racist although I do think your particular loathing might take you close at times."

I don't quite grasp the first part of this paragraph. I could take a stab at interpretation but perhaps you can rephrase it. You are making a CRITICISM of this forum? This is a red-letter day! Diebert's new Critical Approach to GF! Now things are going to get really good! I think it is quite unfair that you see me as 'criticizing' Latin Americans. I assume, as on KIR, that you see no merit in any part of what I wrote? Or, you would never say that you found anything of merit? It would be a good idea, really, to get beyond political-intellectual alliances. I try not to have them but you seemed steeped in them.

Loathing is an interesting idea. David described what I'd expressed as misanthropic, but I was employing a Huxlyan idea and embelishing it. At times I feel loathing but more often than not concern.

"So, I noticed the KIR folks are finding out more about your debating fallacies, heheheh. This strengthens my theory you keep on reaping the same reactions everywhere you post, simply because you simplify everything to someone else's neurosis, something faulty according to your personal scale of sanity, hiding behind your own set of psychological yardsticks. The genius forum is way more socialist that way: everyone is deluded and confused if they invest anything in particular or peculiar."

The opinions I presented were straightforward and written clearly. No one really made any effort to counter them, or to engage in any level of dialogue. A similar thing happens here: if you have a position against aspects of the House Philosophy, the 'little weasels' (young disciples) come at you first, nit-picking. They seek to pull you a part, or like Kelly, dissect an expression into parts, and then hammer at the parts. It really doesn't matter if this makes sense or doesn't, the point is to ensure that a conversation doesn't happen. KIR and GF has certain things in common (from what I have seen of KIR which is not much).

I am speaking about (critiquing) a 'limited mental platform' and 'limited conceptual pathways' and the charade of 'good' thinking that is a mask for bad thinking, and other such things. My take on the matter is that this is a failing in the individual, but the causes of it are manifold. These errors of thinking are abundant here, and apparently there is a little nest of the really sad cases 'over there'. It is one basic space though.

It is not that I hold 'absolutely' to my own yardsticks, though I do have them of course, it's not that that is 'pathological' in my book. It is something different: it is the way that certain people, certain thinkers, get 'holed-up' in one, concretized, 'absolute' view and cannot examine (perhaps...) the subtleties. Still, there are some cases where it 'clearly seems to me to be a case of mental illness' (in a literal sense).

"The genius forum is way more socialist that way: everyone is deluded and confused if they invest anything in particular or peculiar".

In my view, the GF is a blend of different 'mind-sets'. Most everyone, it seems to me, is a worthy person and in most cases (insofar as one can tell such a thing) a decent person. I don't doubt that, even with those I differ from, conflict with.

Not at all. You likely don't really understand my thrust (and are all the time defending 'them' against 'me'---have you taken notice of this?) I admire people who have 'particular' focuses, and I have a certain admiration for the more extreme cases here on GF (or KIR for that matter). I think that there should still be ways to dialogue between viewpoints, since they depend on personal inclination, upbringing, etc. The real stance AGAINST that communication originates HERE. The structure of 'absolute view'...which leads to 'absolute truth'...and an 'absolute teller of the absolute truth'...

It is formulated originally by David and Kevin...and then gets 'applied' to a mind like Kelly's: the little GF project in the community of women. Similarly, you have a few Junior practitioners who, after some months of years of asking the right questions, have ascended in Knowledge and now can spout off from time to time...

Generally speaking, if you poke at someone's 'cherished notions' they tend to react similarly. The key is reaction. I use 'reaction' to get energy moving around that little knot. But yes, I do operate also from my 'particulars'...
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Re: Alex and Racism

Postby Tomas » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:48 am

David Quinn wrote:Hey Alex,

You may remember Shahrazad from Panama. She has accused you of being a racist, based on what you wrote some time ago:

It may surprise you to know that on the KIR forum I have been defending you, saying that the passage expresses misanthropy, not racism. She isn't convinced and so we were both wondering if you could clear the matter up for us.

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Alex and Racism

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Careful Alex is just an immature kid stepping into the world of coding and he thinks he's some kind of wizz and gets a bit annoyed with people who disagree with him.

Lucky for you you're not German or black then you'd have a real hard time with him, as soon as I read his racist comments on here I lost all respect for the guy, not that I had any in the first place.

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I have like, 5 friends from Germany on my MSN, a Japanese girl, a French guy, and many Dutch guys, even a few Swedish people, I don't think it would be possible if I were racist.

I explained myself calmly and rationally as a person >> http://stage6.18.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=1845
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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Diebert van Rhijn » Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:04 am

Alex, there's no point in having yet another tit for tat discussion on these matters. It all has been said to you by me before. Even the ghosts are bored by now!

As for the issue of Latin America, from what I glanced of your posts it all seemed fairly limited, leaving open the question if there was some inherent problem in the ethnicity. Which explains why people think it might be qualified as racist. The argument that certain modern institutions are not in place is a non-argument to me. Why haven't they formed? What happened over the course of history? And is it something bad inherently or only when one dreams of sucking too eagerly on the magical teat of capitalism? ("¡Pobre México! ¡Tan lejos de Dios y tan cerca de los Estados Unidos!")

The only other thing I'd like to stress is the issue of your observation that people aren't really countering your efforts or engaging in the way you deem informed. This is perhaps not because of a "limited" mental platform or "limited" conceptual pathway of the other but a different mental platform and that someone might have arrived at their view using different equally valid conceptual pathways. Sometimes you seem at a loss of grasping this possibility, especially when your own pathways are pointed out to be inflexible and incomplete in terms of information you're including. It's as your position is dug in very deep causing you to look around seeing mostly shallowness.

It's the same problem when discussing various spiritual topics with you. This is especially an area where great flexibility is a must, no matter the conceptual pathwasy used, as one needs to really arrive at a "mental platform" which is significantly larger than the age and culture one is steeped in. You might not believe this is really possible but there it is.
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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Talking Ass » Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:54 am

"As for the issue of Latin America, from what I glanced of your posts it all seemed fairly limited, leaving open the question if there was some inherent problem in the ethnicity. Which explains why people think it might be qualified as racist. The argument that certain modern institutions are not in place is a non-argument to me. Why haven't they formed? What happened over the course of history? And is it something bad inherently or only when one dreams of sucking too eagerly on the magical teat of capitalism? ("¡Pobre México! ¡Tan lejos de Dios y tan cerca de los Estados Unidos!")"

I don't really care what they or anyone thinks. Often someone will just think what they want---assign any value to you---if it suits them. It doesn't depend on you. If I mention one good think about America (or Christianity) I get immediately labeled as a Jingo-Fascist. You know what I mean. The critique of LA I offered was bolstered by the research and opinions of a known Latino. It's not that I am just dreaming this shit up. It is a conversation that is on-going in Latin America. A certain kind of economic progressive (that is, economic conservative) running up against opposition from entrenched state interests (sometimes with holed-up, veteran, career lefties)(but not always).

I don't know what I might have procided you that wasn't 'limited'. I only focused on my own thoughts of recent years. I think it is very, very hard to sort out one's thinking and get clear about social realities. How does one assign values? How does one make judgments?

What is at the core of a successful enterprise in history? Say, in comparative terms, the drastic difference between the development of the US in comparison to almost all of LA? It is a very good question, because if you isolate it, you will have some genuine information. Ever read Alexis de Toqueville's 'Democracy in America'? It makes such a comparison and points to the institutions and attitudes that seem to have made all the difference in the world. I think it is wise to remember what those characteristics were.

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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Diebert van Rhijn » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:48 am

Talking Ass wrote:? It makes such a comparison and points to the institutions and attitudes that seem to have made all the difference in the world. I think it is wise to remember what those characteristics were.

One fallacy potentially hidden in here, and often discussed in the social sciences, is the possibility the institutions and attitudes weren't the cause but consequences of the developments. To put it in the simplest terms: 'winners do not want to believe in luck, only the losers'. Of course this doesn't mean it's all about luck, although a lot of crucial developments in history are hinging on what seems to be utter coincidence. In the field of comparative religion, it's pretty much established that all ancient religions celebrated and worshiped as strong values (divine properties) the very factors which were attributed to the cause of their "victorious" or expanding phase. Roll the bones!

Now I could continue with other factors in play like plain geography, virology or global market dynamics but it's really a complex study altogether. But to start with saying: lets look at the current victorious and expanding civilizations (in the Huntington sense) and look for the causes of success in the institutionalized morality ('gods') of them, might become a rather self-fulfilling prophetic type of reasoning.
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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Talking Ass » Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:36 am

Sure, but like numerous of your conversations these endless speculations and fine points and asides lead one away from the core fact that people and nations rise and fall on their strengths and weaknesses: on their 'virtue' or lack of it. But clearly, Machiavelli and de Toqueville have been important in helping me order my own conceptions.
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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Dennis Mahar » Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:59 pm

Hi Alex,
I want to ask you in what way does a Mexican exist?
and even if Mexico exists?

Do these things exist naturally or do they arise or depend for their existence on a convention between human minds?
A sort of handshake between humans..an agreement.

If we got a hold of a so called Mexican and cut him up, we'd find skin, bones, blood, hair, heart, lungs, kidneys but nowhere would we find Mexican.

Where's the Mexican?

Are we dreaming?
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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Talking Ass » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:14 am

Mexico exists in a really unusual way. Well, maybe not so unusually after all. Still, it exists peculiarly. When you cross the border into Tijuana or into Ciuedad Juarez the first thing you notice is that people's dreams have a tendency to walk around more. Not just at night but during the day. You stare at a whole wall of morning glory vines growing up on a ramshackle steel fence in front of an abandoned lot. The carcass of a dead dog was thrown there months ago and vultures feasted on it. There is this imperceptible movement of the blossems---deep purple flowers and white flowers with purple lines---and you just know that someone is dreaming that whole scene and you are only participating in the seeing of it. The wind rustles as if in agreement.

In the North---as you well know---dreams have been far more contained. Psychic clamp-down. They escape far less frequently and if anyone is captured by dreams they are mechanical and machine dreams; automated dreams like those of people who live and sleep beside freeways where the swish of tires drowns everything out. Dreams do still escape from people's imaginations but they always rush to the outer confines: down in drainage ditches where a bunch of cattails is growing, out in the outskirts beyond the freeways where the wind soughs through the branches, maybe up on some inaccesible plateau behind the factory with hissing steam where you hear the clanking of an automated interior but there are no windows to look in. The railroad spur curves up the valley and you watch the locomotive climb the hill and enter into huge doors that open of their own accord. You hear the whistle as it enters the cavernous inner space.

I doubt though that Mexicans exist. I am rather inclined to see a horde of virtual Mexicans, their imaginations splattered open by an eagle teevee who feasts on their psychic wounds, who are in the process of disappearing, like hard and clear shadows when a cloud passes over the sun. What was once distinct softens, and at a certain point its very existence is questioned. Someone though is blowing into a trumpet. Was it deep in the past or right now on the Zocalo of Mexico City beside uncovered Aztec ruins? I can't be sure because there is a man burning copal in a clay pot and clouds of sweet smoke have diffused my vision. I'd ask you if you see any clearer but I assume you can't. The trumpet is playing some sort of Mexican polka. A woman floats by on a canal of greenish water on a skiff piled high with white calalillies with succulent green stems. She has no teeth but she smiles like solar goddess, and disappears.

I hold a skull in my hands whose ironic grin sums up everything I think and feel. A tiny green lizards pokes its head out of an eye socket. It watches me and I see the breathing movement in its tiny ribs.

As to shared views of reality, I can only say that everything seems to unfold from a series of perceptual accidents. There are ten heavy glasses on a wooden table on lightly rippled sand that stretches to the horizon. The sky is light blue verging into white. It is midday. Under each glass is a little man or woman and I watch the psychic electricity pass among them like flocks of spirit hummingbirds.

You approach from the left.

Cutting up the Mexican you find what looks like the innards of an old blender and mother boards and old transistor radios and unexpectedly a motor starts to whir. There is a jumble of parts lying on the ground including many glass eyes of all colors. You realize it is twilight and you hear a chorus of coyotes from beyond a long outcropping of rock that looks like the back of a stegasaurus. Three bright stars shine over the horizon.

It begins to snow.

You decide to build a fire and rush about collecting twigs and little branches. Then you are sitting next to the fire hypnotized by the twisting flames. The fire crackles and sputters as if angry. You hear a bell tolling from far away. You think of me and I appear on the other side of the fire dressed like an Aztec priest with a long obsidian knife.

It is time to submit to sacrifice. All the omens have been pointing to it. Everything becomes clear.

You offer up your chest and though fearful there is relief in your eyes. A bird screams from a dead tree. The blade descends and as it penetrates your chest there is a white flash and then a cascade of brilliant colors.
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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Dennis Mahar » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:25 am

Mexico exists in a really unusual way


Thanks for your reply.
But please listen carefully.

Does Mexico actually exist independantly of the human mind or is it dependant on the human mind for its existance?
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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Talking Ass » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:28 am

Our minds exist because of 'Mexico'.
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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Dennis Mahar » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:35 am

Our minds exist because of 'Mexico'.


Is Mexico a product of the Human mind.?
Has Mexico in fact been invented?

Could we equate the invention of Mexico with the invention of Cinderella if we indeed discovered that Mexico is in fact an invention.
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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Talking Ass » Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:43 am

I would at this point be more inclined to see Mexico as 'the one ontologically sure thing', the metaphysical platform that just happened (in a Lairdian sense) to have the colors and features of Mexico: dusty paths, old churches, colored lights, the sound of a guitar duet, some dude saying 'aiyeeeeee' in a land where the teevess get turned on and never turned off, and trucks barrel by on a highway going who-knows-where; and Cinderella as a sort of Babylonian Queen of Heaven merging into Guadalupe in green and red and gold hovering over the multitudes on a cloud.
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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Dennis Mahar » Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:20 am

the metaphysical platform that just happened (in a Lairdian sense) to have the colors and features of Mexico


Does Mexico have permanance?
Does Mexico exist independantly?

Does Mexico require the necessity of a Human mind prior to it for its existance?

Does Mexico only exist in relation to the human mind in exactly the same way as Cinderella?
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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Talking Ass » Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:35 am

The Mexico of which we are speaking cannot be said to 'have' permanence but rather is Mexico-permanent. It exists ever and always and any other existence that spins out of it is derivative, secondary, partial, and of course temporary. (But I think you know this). Seventy-five thousand yellow canaries, from Oaxaca to Ciudad Juarez to Durango to San Cristobal de las Casas to Guanaguato and over to Veracruz on the Eastern coast beautifully chirp this verity morning noon and night (there are alot of canaries in Mexico, a little know trivia fact). (Listen here)

Naturally, it exists quite independantly yet moreso on Mexican Independance Day, the 16th of September. True, it is perhaps more accurate to see it in terms of slightly waning and waxing independance, and now we are approaching the apex of independance. Myself, I usually make a huge bowl of Pico de Gallo salsa and the little Mexican neighbor woman hands me fresh corn tortillas over the fence. Hijo de la chingada madre, que rico!

Hmmmm. You have asked me a tricky question! I would say that Mexico and Cindarella exist together and simultaneously, and yet, and yet, my guess is that Cinderella-Guadalupe is perhaps an expansion of the ever-existant Mexico-principal.

How do you see it Dennis? Check out this eloquent fellow if you can.
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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Dennis Mahar » Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:58 am

Could any of those 'Mexican canaries' know Mexico?

Did Mexico exist prior to the advent of human being?

Does Mexico really exist in and of itself independantly and permanently apart from human being or does Mexico require the human mind for existance?
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Re: Alex and racism

Postby Blair » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:19 pm

Are you being facetious in asking Alex, of all people these questions?

He is entirely disingenuous in everything that he utters. Not one ounce of integrity to him (and sadly this makes him assume a posture of elevated status as sage).

Watch and see...
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