vicdan wrote:No, what resulted in a dismissal is hamas's refusal to give up either its goal of destroying Israel, or its fixation on terrorism. Are you surprised? We didn't respect Nazi Germany's democratic choice either.
Because there was none. Germany's Reichstag Fire Decree or Enabling Act of 1933 cannot be said to be some democratic choice. These were political choices made by a government that started to believe their state's foundation would dissolve in the face of communist terrorism and economical threat. Communist and socialist parties were also blocked from the 'democratic' elections leading up to this.
They [Arabs] can't go across checkpoints or travel abroad?
The most obvious destination would be the West Bank and that's to put it mildly quite a hassle
. Returning and visiting Arabs are also targeted above and beyond any reasonable standard at the airport. All under the banner of 'security' I'm sure but the end result remains.
In a highly militarized society as Israel not allowing to serve in the military creates huge gaps economically and socially.
Huh? Not allowed
? Not required
; and vast majority elect not to. However, some volunteer, and serve in the IDF.
This is my bad, they are indeed allowed as volunteer. But the gaps are real and it remains an issue when such a large group in the population is disagreeing with fundamental policies regarding fellow Arabs. Not requiring them to serve is a way-out of a tricky division but at the same time widens the gap. But I admit this doesn't count as a 'right', as it would be the right to be forced. But I've read that they try to introduce a required national service as alternative. This also will only partition the country even further in my opinion.
The Law of Return clearly targets Jews worldwide, persecuted or not, while denying Arab refugees to come back from the 1948 affair.
Indeed. However, this doesn't constitute discrimination against israeli arabs
You mean the fled Arabs or their family got their land back? Even the Arabs remaining in Israel at the time but were temporary moved out of the war-zones or couldn't provide the right papers were disowned. Lacking the desire to resolve this constitutes discrimination. It doesn't expire after sixty years you know when children and grand-children still stand next to the crime scene.
Militants let back in Gaza, Israel threatens sanctions in December 2005, three months after total withdrawal, they were still threatening sanctions. The rockets kept on coming. Israel didn't impose full sanctions until 2007
Well, Hamas was participating and winning a couple of local elections. Allowing their own leadership to move around doesn't seem like a strange thing to me. Anyway, even the rather common temporary closures were invasive enough to be considered acts of war against not only Hamas but against a whole population effectively.
But lets see where your rockets are: Violence in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict 2005
, nothing in November or December related to Hamas. Violence in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict 2006
, amidst all mutual violence it's not exactly raining rockets the first months and it can be disputed if they came from Hamas in any tangible way. They were not in a position to assert much control at the time. More accurate or neutral lists are always welcome.
From the references [Israeli source] you can find out Israel was still assassinating lots of targets and performing cross-border raids right before and still after the election. This is not withdrawal
and it's generally not regarded by any serious analysts. It was preparation
for what we've seen happening last months.
Hamas didn't reject either its constitutional goal of demolishing Israel, or its embrace of terrorism.
They probably see it as justified, armed resistance against a declaration of an illegal state at the cost of the rights of a large ethic and cultural group. Forcing them to 'reject' it is an unreasonable demand, it sabotages
any dialog before it even happens. Which is probably what is in fact happening at both sides: people have already made up their minds that dialog is impossible so they come with unreasonable conditions.
However, Israel didn't blockade Gaza until Hamas took over in mid-2007, in a bloody internal fight with Fatah a year and a half after the actual Hamas election.
You must be mad. Israel's closure policy and disengagement politics did nothing but wreck an economy which was so dependent on open access to Israel. What happened is that Israel again and again tries to dump
the problem, like cutting off a disobedient limb and then when the limb starts to die off blame the processes of decay for it!
Note that Hamas was elected a mere four months after Israel pulled out, but Israel didn't bar Gaza imports and exports until another year and a half later, while it still looked like palestinians had some chance to work out a peaceful governance solution.
Completely barring imports and exports (added to the partial and temporary stalling
for decades) is barbaric. It's a solution that has
to end in more war and violence. Not knowing that is dangerously stupid and knowing that is dangerously genocidal.
if you love death more than Israelis love life, as Hamas keeps claiming.
This is about the willingness to sacrifice and it always has been. It's a correct observation that the Western Judeo-Christian ideology does not have this willingness ingrained into its population. Nothing is important
enough and the afterlife is uncertain. In the end the saying is a historical reference to the heights of the Muslim Empire and its military strength - and with it an impressive civilization nevertheless. So 'loving death' in the same manner as loving life [or loving neither] doesn't have to be an indication of nihilism or depravity.
It's things like this that show how alien the Jewish identity is from any Islamic one in cultural and ideological references. And how bad the idea was to create a Zionist state with the sacrifices Israel is willing to make regarding their own population and the ones opposing them. You can't beat a culture of death by killing more of them as it only reinforces. You need to teach them life or taking away a motive for the sacrifice at least. A long process but one cannot perform some clean break
like a few hours at the dentist and be rid of it. That kind of thinking is delusional and will be demonstrated nicely the coming year when analysis of current events has settled.