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How Joe Biden became America's favorite punch line

Postby Tomas » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:37 pm

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All my comments in this thread will be only related to these two personages ... never know, one of them just may be Prez some day.



Did Biden Get It Wrong? You Betcha

The vice president is the president of the Senate, where he interprets the rules and can only be overridden by a vote of 60 Senators..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,433314,00.html


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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Shahrazad » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:15 pm

Tomas, do you have the hots for Palin?
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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Dan Rowden » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:20 pm

This sort of thread has no place here. Take it to a political forum.
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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Tomas » Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:05 pm

Shahrazad wrote:Tomas, do you have the hots for Palin?


(hahah)

No, not really

However, it is a wonderful breath of fresh air to have someone who hasn't (not yet anyway) been brainwashed by the ways of Washington, DC.

The odds are stacked against McCain, but to watch all the flack tossed at her, you know the liberals are afraid of her. What she represents is what feminism has morphed into. The Democrats wanted Hillary so bad .. even Geraldine Ferraro grudgingly said that Sarah Palin was the first to thank her in 24 years that she (and Hillary Clinton) blazed the trail for women.

I'm neither liberal or conservative.

When I was involved as a political consultant, our firm didn't give a shit whether it was Democratic or Republican candidate. We were hired to win. Speaking only for me, I never knowingly broke any law nor skated close to the legal limits allowed. Even then I maintained a conscience.

Thanks to my parents for instilling right and wrong choices and pointing out to me the fallacies of playing with fire.

Did you bother reading the article posted?

Old Biden didn't know Article 1 from Article 2.

And that fool wants to preside over the Senate?

Biden is a liar as Bill Clinton was.

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Biden's son is in Iraq.

Palin's son is in Iraq.

Just so we understand .. I'm not voting for any of them. They are BOTH War Pigs.

If! voting was mandatory (to the point of a gun) .. I'd write in Palin's name, I don't know who I'd write in for Veep.

PS - were you born in the USA? :-)


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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby brokenhead » Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:55 am

Tomas wrote:However, it is a wonderful breath of fresh air to have someone who hasn't (not yet anyway) been brainwashed by the ways of Washington, DC.

Yes, her brain seems largely unaffected. By anything.
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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Shahrazad » Sun Oct 12, 2008 2:04 am

Tomas,

Did you bother reading the article posted?
No, sorry.



PS - were you born in the USA? :-)
No, but both of my children were, and I lived there 15 years, so I paid taxes and all that stuff. Does that count for anything, or are you a xenophobic?
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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Tomas » Sun Oct 12, 2008 2:44 am

brokenhead wrote:
Tomas wrote:However, it is a wonderful breath of fresh air to have someone who hasn't (not yet anyway) been brainwashed by the ways of Washington, DC.

Yes, her brain seems largely unaffected. By anything.



Same for you, did you bother to read the short article? Yeah yeah, I know, it's from fox news etc.

The vice presidency (as Thomas Jefferson) interpreted it, is vastly different than what the right-wing or left-wing interpets "it" to mean.


I have met/dined with Biden and McCain on a few (several) occasions. No comment on whether I worked on any of their elections.

Not met/saw Obama/Palin though.

Some of my former partners still share the dirt (skeletons) on candidates with me. (city, county, park, state, federal levels)


BTW - "Tomas" was my childhood nickname, not by choice. :-|

(the tank) was from an incident that happened while in VietNam.

(never know who may pass thru these internet forums)


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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Shahrazad » Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:00 am

Tomas,

Here's an article on why McCain can't be President of USA:
http://englishnewspanama.com/index.php? ... &Itemid=30
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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Tomas » Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:20 am

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-Shahrazad-

Tomas,
Yes. dear?




-tomas earlier-
Did you bother reading the article posted?

-Shah-
No, sorry.

-tomas-
Well, get on it!




-tomas earlier-
PS - were you born in the USA? :-)

-Shah-
No,

-tomas-
Too bad! I'd had written you in for vice president .. guess I'll have to quiz Uncle Brokie on his citizen-status :-|




-Shah-
but both of my children were,

-tomas-
Wise decision :-)




-Shah-
and I lived there 15 years,

-tomas-
Yes, so many sub-groups of ethnic backgrounds (melting pots) - the food varieties from all over the world. (chinese cuisine, thai, turk, cameroon, libyan, mexican, norse)




-Shah-
so I paid taxes and all that stuff.

-tomas-
Death & Taxes, which is worse?




-Shah-
Does that count for anything,

-tomas-
Hindsight is 20-20, get the daughter (wean her) away from the Playboy channel. Subliminal advertising (programming) the mind of the youth is big money.




-Shah-
or are you a xenophobic?

-tomas-
Oh, you read Pye's thread :-)

I intentionally set her up and she took the bait. Hook, line and sinker.

She claims to be of the liberal mindset, but her replies (to me) belie her real philosophical outlook.

Note she left out the Biden (liar) stuff .. and .. all politicians are right-wing / far right-wing.

She's Conservative Mindset - but hasn't looked back at herself in the mirror. (she's too busy applying the makeup to notice her real leanings)

Finally, she quotes Nietzsche like he's one of the books of the Bible. She refers to him in the literal sense .. Ataraxia called her out on that, then she comes back with a qualifier..

Pye is a far-rightwing nut but is still getting up on the wrong side of the bed.

I knew she would come back with a gotcha! The honeypot catches 'em each and every time.



Hope this finds you in good health.


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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Tomas » Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:24 am

Shahrazad wrote:Tomas,

Here's an article on why McCain can't be President of USA:
http://englishnewspanama.com/index.php? ... &Itemid=30


Yes, I'm familiar with this topic (read your article) but from my vantage (opinion) he qualifies because the US controlled the Zone when he was born.

Barry Goldwater had this asterisk in 1964, Arizona was a territory at the time of his birth..

This can be said of the founding fathers too..



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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Shahrazad » Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:53 am

Does Obama qualify, Tomas?

Hindsight is 20-20, get the daughter (wean her) away from the Playboy channel.
Hahahaha.

Subliminal advertising (programming) the mind of the youth is big money.
I bet.

You know what song she's listening to now over an over? "I kissed a girl and I liked it." Just a few years ago, her Catholic school had her convinced that lesbianism / homosexuality was one of the worst sins someone can commit against God. (She still claims to believe that.) So it's layers upon layers of indoctrination. I get the feeling that my teachings count for less than all the other influences she is exposed to. It's her loss.
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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Alex Jacob » Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:31 am

I think you are wrong in your assessment of Pye, Tomas. I think she is still, and may always be, involved in the questions of immanence and transcendence, which in her case, her position, arises from an apolitical philosophical position. Her position as an academician is notable too. I think she is philosophising about human potential and possibilities and cannot find good reasons (reasonings) why people---anyone---should be limited by any philosophically-backward construct. She seems to be doing what many young people do in university for a number of years, taking advantage of a window of opportunity to explore new territories unfettered by conventions.

The title 'conservative' is a loaded term. For example, Noam Chomsky refers to himself as 'a conservative in the original sense of the term'. What we now understand as a 'conservative' is usually a reactionary statist with a secret pact with big business and the non-democratic pole generally. True conservatism, in today's climate, would appear as radicalism if the truth were told. I personally feel that some right-wing Christian discourse (for example, the guy who wrote The Marketing of Evil which I just finished) is just a nudge or a push from a radical position that you might hear on the Left wing side of things (a critique of unregulated corporate capitalism and PR machinations). The damnedest thing is when they invoke the Founding Fathers to support a religionist position when the Founders in fact detested religious opiates, their lies, their manipulations. The genius of the Founders is that they insisted that any idea, any position, be examined rationally, and that all political discourse be rational. The 'Conservative Christians' cannot, of course, say that nor can they do that.

We are so far away from rational political discourse, except on the fringes, that I sometimes think there is no hope at all.
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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Iolaus » Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:53 am

I'm just flat out surprised that anyone who speaks English can be anything other than embarrassed and appalled at the thought of Palin as VP, and with the oldest coot ever, she has at minimum a 25% chance of being president.

Plus, sordid as it sounds, the whole baby coverup thing is just too low, surely even for Americans. She belongs on Jerry Springer, not in the white house.

And don't tell me its a rumor.

I was sickened when I recently learned that Biden's son is in Iraq. I know little about him, have just started to look into it, but that just sort of takes the interest right out of me.
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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Tomas » Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:53 am

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-Shahrazad-
Does Obama qualify, Tomas?

-tomas-
I'd rather keep this thread about how Biden/Palin view philosophy.

-tomas earlier-
Hindsight is 20-20, get the daughter (wean her) away from the Playboy channel.

-Shah-
Hahahaha.

-tomas-
Where's the masculine?

-tomas-
Subliminal advertising (programming) the mind of the youth is big money.

-Shah-
I bet.

-tomas-
Huh?

-Shah-
You know what song she's listening to now over an over? "I kissed a girl and I liked it."

-tomas-
The liberal in me says that ain't cool. Herpes etc..

-Shah-
Just a few years ago, her Catholic school had her convinced that lesbianism / homosexuality was one of the worst sins someone can commit against God.

-tomas-
God aside .. It is a sin against the body, who wants some fingers up their ass? Is it alright to shit in another girls mouth? Is it then ok to do it with the friendly neighborhood The mind suffers down the road. Look, there's a little bit of "truth" in books everywhere. Most everything is interesting the first time around. That's the teaser, just like commercials. Buy Playtex bras, drink Pepsi - not Coke (its the real thing).

-Shah-
(She still claims to believe that.)

-tomas-
At 18, she believes that it is wrong. So why not ally her fears that it is wrong. When darts are thrown her way (sexually suggestive comments) the moral conscience is being slowly eroded to the point she'll be doing it with 10-year-olds.

I'm not anti-religion, I've been to the Vatican, toured it all. Been to Jerusalem, visited the Wailing Wall. Was in Baghdad back in the late 1970s, toured ancient sites for seven weeks. There was thriving Jewish & Christian peoples, Saddam wasn't anti-this-and-that, Western propaganda slowly (drip by drip) wears down each generation to where they got your brain-conscience so hollowed-out you wouldn't know your left eyeball from the right.

-Shah-
So it's layers upon layers of indoctrination.

-tomas-
This seems to be how Alex and Mikiel view this Genius Forum. Of the QRS crowd, David is the most well-rounded in his writing. I've read everything he has written here. I like his take of philosophy.

Dan appears as the most Americanized of the three.

Kevin is the most rigid, somewhat intolerant.

But then, having not met them, it may be just the opposite.

This being a bunch of outcasts from Australia, QRS, Sue, Leyla (the commie marxist), Jason, Ataraxia, Rhett. Pye knows who else??

-Shah-
I get the feeling that my teachings count for less than all the other influences she is exposed to.

-tomas-
So, what did you raise (mind-babysit) her as .. Catholic? Or, to think for herself? It was your responsibility to ingrain a philosophical grain of truth into her when she was younger. I know, a percentage of the priests and nuns are adult-queers, but that's the way the others in organizations (pedophiles) prey on children. Everything is an illusion. Everybody is doing it so it must not be wrong (the road to hell is paved with pinatas) so enjoy, sleep with whomever and worry about any consequences at the next infomercial (doctor visit). Everything is treatable!

Obama's daughter gets knocked up at 14? - kill the critter! It ain't human, it's just a blob, a mass. Let's cook it up and have it for Thanksgiving dinner! Whoopee, it's party time. God Bless America, land of the depraved. Anything goes.

-Shah-
It's her loss.

-tomas-
No, its your loss for keeping Playboy (smut) channels in your house. It's the unwanted intruder according to you, but to her, it (the tv) is who carassed her when she was young, kissed an owie, fitted her in her first training bra, took her to the doctor for birth control pills, listened to David Bowie (don't know if your a boy or a girl) Rebel, Rebel. Your face is a mess.

Yup, old Uncle Hugh Hefner, while he's banging these ever-present teenie girls from Smalltown America .. he's got your daughter wanting .. him.



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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Tomas » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:01 am

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-Iolaus-
I'm just flat out surprised that anyone who speaks English can be anything other than embarrassed and appalled at the thought of Palin as VP, and with the oldest coot ever, she has at minimum a 25% chance of being president.

-tomas-
Check out Biden's resume. He's a flake who keeps getting re-elected.




-Iolaus-
Plus, sordid as it sounds, the whole baby coverup thing is just too low, surely even for Americans. She belongs on Jerry Springer, not in the white house.

-tomas-
What baby coverup?


-Iolaus-
And don't tell me its a rumor.

What are you referring to?


-Iolaus-
I was sickened when I recently learned that Biden's son is in Iraq.

-tomas-
They are all warpigs. (I was at one time, too.)


Iolaus-
I know little about him, have just started to look into it, but that just sort of takes the interest right out of me.

-tomas-
So why is Palin a Jerry Springer freak, but you're a no-show on Biden and his hijinx for the past 30 years.

No philosophical brevity, right? Just a lot of feminine lip gloss..



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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Tomas » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:12 am

Alex Jacob wrote:I think you are wrong in your assessment of Pye, Tomas. I think she is still, and may always be, involved in the questions of immanence and transcendence, which in her case, her position, arises from an apolitical philosophical position. Her position as an academician is notable too. I think she is philosophising about human potential and possibilities and cannot find good reasons (reasonings) why people---anyone---should be limited by any philosophically-backward construct. She seems to be doing what many young people do in university for a number of years, taking advantage of a window of opportunity to explore new territories unfettered by conventions.

The title 'conservative' is a loaded term. For example, Noam Chomsky refers to himself as 'a conservative in the original sense of the term'. What we now understand as a 'conservative' is usually a reactionary statist with a secret pact with big business and the non-democratic pole generally. True conservatism, in today's climate, would appear as radicalism if the truth were told. I personally feel that some right-wing Christian discourse (for example, the guy who wrote The Marketing of Evil which I just finished) is just a nudge or a push from a radical position that you might hear on the Left wing side of things (a critique of unregulated corporate capitalism and PR machinations). The damnedest thing is when they invoke the Founding Fathers to support a religionist position when the Founders in fact detested religious opiates, their lies, their manipulations. The genius of the Founders is that they insisted that any idea, any position, be examined rationally, and that all political discourse be rational. The 'Conservative Christians' cannot, of course, say that nor can they do that.

We are so far away from rational political discourse, except on the fringes, that I sometimes think there is no hope at all.


I'm attempting to keep this off "politics" per se - the inner working of us Genius Forum "psyche" intrigues me. As Dan stated, put the politics side of it .. at another forum.

PS - I've been here longer than Pye, read most every one of her comments, especially her earlier writings. I understand where she is coming from. I simply baited her, and she swallowed it whole. She has chosen to have The State as her master, regular paycheck as long as you don't make waves (apppear too conservative) to fellow instructors i.e her string pullers.

But then, I'm just an old coot (sorry, Mikiel) who's been there, done that..

I'm neither liberal/conservative

More like the side of a coin. Well-rounded and worn

What I really mean, Alex, I'd rather keep this about Biden and Palin and not drag Pye's Conservative Mind into it. She has her thread, I've mine (with Dan's unwavering permission).

If she wants to talk turkey about the veeps, so be it. Come on down..


I could care less about the flunkies Obama and McCain.





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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Iolaus » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:23 am

Tomas

What baby coverup?
http://www.palinbabyquestion.com/

http://www.palindeception.com/blog/2008 ... rk-in.html

Check out Biden's resume. He's a flake who keeps getting re-elected.

If so, I'm mystified that Obama would make such a foolish choice, when he is intelligent and uses his head.

So why is Palin a Jerry Springer freak, but you're a no-show on Biden and his hijinx for the past 30 years.

I'm certainly not aware of the careers of all the congresspersons. And not that I generally pay a terrific amount of attention to the VP, but with Sarah it was just unavoidable.
Just when you think Americans have surely hit bottom, they burrow lower.

I had not planned at all to vote this time, or perhaps any time again, due to our being a banana republic and all, but McCain is just so odious, and Obama so damned hard not to like, that I think I've got to at least cast a vote for the smidgeon of hope he represents.
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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Tomas » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:33 am

[quote="Iolaus"]Tomas

What baby coverup?
http://www.palinbabyquestion.com/

http://www.palindeception.com/blog/2008 ... rk-in.html

-tomas-
Oh, please, the sites you gave are for mental midgets who are late in the game deciding who to vote for. It's like driving down the Interstate at 90 miles per hour, the political commercials (billboards) are not more than intended subliminal imprints on your consciousness.

-Iolaus-
I had not planned at all to vote this time, or perhaps any time again, due to our being a banana republic and all, but McCain is just so odious, and Obama so damned hard not to like, that I think I've got to at least cast a vote for the smidgeon of hope he represents.

-tomas-
All the shit is out there about his days at Hanoi Hilton.. He got to keep a couple of steady-age 15 year old girls at his apartment in Hanoi. He was 3rd from bottom in his class.

Obama, why won't he release any of his college papers, grades whatever?

The President of this and that.

Obama needs you, go ahead and vote for him. Don't think, just react. Stay feminine in your consciousness. Sleep your life away...................

BTW - Why won't he produce his birth certificate? He's from Kenya, that's why.



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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Alex Jacob » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:10 am

"Just when you think Americans have surely hit bottom, they burrow lower."

A line worthy of quotation...
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It is just one example, but today at the coffee shop in comes a young, beautiful, perfectly liberal-hip couple festooned with Vote Obama buttons. They are essentially 'feminine' people, an example of the perfect Nietzschean mediocre soft-to-the-touch outcome.

All the gays, all the tattooed-tribes who frequent the now-corporate and nationwide health food store, all the touchy-feely granola-munching types are---instinctively---voting Obama. So very few of them, from my perspective, seem to have even a vague sense of how the world functions. I don't think they really have a sense of how down and dirty the world is, and yet they are viscerally and instinctively opposed to Bush & Co. and, like me, get nauseous even looking at McCain.

To vote for Obama is, in a very real sense, to vote for the Earthly Messiah. I have no doubt that, subconsciously, this is what people are voting for: some core, spiritual, sense of hope, the hope for hope.

The road ahead, brothers and sisters, is going to be really, really strange. Signs and portents in the heavens, that sort of weird...
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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Trevor Salyzyn » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:35 am

"Just when you think Americans have surely hit bottom, they burrow lower."

A line worthy of quotation...

At least we can be sure that America isn't a meritocracy.
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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Tomas » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:00 am

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-Tomas earlier-
However, it is a wonderful breath of fresh air to have someone who hasn't (not yet anyway) been brainwashed by the ways of Washington, DC.

-Uncle Brokie-
Yes, her brain seems largely unaffected. By anything.

-tomas-
What's also refreshing about her is she smoked a lot of marijuana when it was "legal" in Alaska. Amind is a terrible thing to waste.

The Democratic elite are afraid of her - she says what she really believes - she strays from Repubican new-speak.

Palin's husband got busted for a DUI at (horrors!) age 20, Iolaus. Just keeping you on top of all the jello sites that come your biased way :-/

Todd was also a member of the Independence Party, for Alaska to secede from the Union.

Plain-spoken, ran circles around Katie Couric, the best landed on the cutting-room floor. Can't recall that other idiot's name, ditto there, all the good stuff edited out.

This is one of the oddities of Genius Forum, David Quinn is, in my opinion, the high IQ around here. Sue Hindmarch is also high IQ, their writing is top-notch.

Anyways Brokenhead, Palin also attended 5 colleges to "earn" her degree, nothing but a well-rounded education :-)

Biden's brain-strokes in 1989 has affected his memory .. will only deteriorate as time passes.



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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Alex Jacob » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:07 am

Excavatocracy?
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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Iolaus » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:00 am

Tomas,

You're being ridiculous to call me feminine for disagreeing with who to vote for. I already said that I was disinclined to vote for anyone. I do realize how corrupt the world is, which is why I wonder if it is possible for someone like Obama to either be any good, or to do good if he wants to, or to live long if he tries.

McCain is too old to be entrusted with the job, and all he cares about is war. Obama may be a hypocrite, but has not yet proved it. With McCain, we know what we'll be getting.

I obviously don't care of she smoked pot, and I don't particularly care about Todd's DUIs.

But I would like to know what about those two sites you find mentally deficient. Her birth story is full of holes, and there is no reason it can't be investigated. It should be investigated. Rather than just say, oh please, that site is so stupid, how about engaging the arguments.

Does a sane woman in high risk labor board a plane and travel for 12 hours? What was her birthing plan? Do they teach this to stewardesses? Is there room for a delivery in first class?

Isn't it odd that there were rumors in Alaska that Bristol was pregnant before Palin announced her pregnancy? Isn't it odd she didn't look pregnant at 7 months? Isn't it odd that the staff on the airlines didn't think she looked very pregnant and she showed no stress? Isn't it odd that Bristol was out of school with mono during the time that coincided with the last months of Sarah's pregnancy? Isn't it strange that they have done nothing to prove the birth even though that would be easy, but that they have removed many pictures from her Alaskan website?
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Re: Biden/Palin

Postby Iolaus » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:07 am

Sure, I agree this is all too sleazy to even be happening, but there you have it. It's real.

And I think its nuts to say McCain can't run for president because his father was working overseas and he was born there. He is an American citizen from birth, is he not?

As for Obama, are you claiming he was not born in Hawaii? There is another claim, that he had an Indonesian passport, which precludes his being an American citizen. Personally, I don't care, but it is pretty likely that in the intervening years he became a citizen.
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Camille Paglia on Sarah Palin

Postby Tomas » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:20 am

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Camille Paglia on Sarah Palin

Nobody's dummy - Liberals underestimate Sarah Palin's vitality and - yes - smarts at their own peril

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As I see it, the Palin Effect is a double-headed hydra. On one side you have Todd Palin, who is clearly a vibrant, macho force in his family's life. Just as clearly, he has effectively embraced the role as a primary caregiver. What does it say that he and Sarah have a mutually aggrandizing partnership/marriage? A successful professional woman who embraces a masculine male rather than castrate him? Heaven forfend! Personally I see it as benign (and noble) conclusion of the feminist movement. I guess fish don't need bicycles, but some of them want one. And they'd rather it come with some cajones.

The next phase of feminism must circle back and reappropriate the ancient persona of the mother -- without losing career ambition or power of assertion. Betty Friedan, who had first attacked the postwar domesticity, had long warned second-wave feminists such as Gloria Steinem about the damaging exclusion of homemakers from these value systems. The animus of liberal feminists toward religion must also end (I am speaking as an atheist). Feminism must reexamine all of its assumptions, including its death grip on abortion, if it wishes to survive.

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http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/200 ... ndex1.html



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