Enlightenment

[Leyla Shen]

Let me know when you're ready to actually answer the question.

[TheImmanent]

A sufferer does not exist. Such a one is nothing but a futile attempt to conceive many separate essences.

[Leyla Shen]

We're talking about consciousness. Did you have something to add?

[TheImmanent]

We're talking about consciousness. Did you have something to add?

Yes.

[Dennis Mahar]

Consciousness talkin about consciousness.
very funny.
who am I.

Form

[Leyla Shen]

We're talking about consciousness. Did you have something to add?

Yes.

Not unless consciousness takes the time for your benefit to discern from those cliched dogmas a meaningful aphorism or two.

[Leyla Shen]

Consciousness talkin about consciousness.
very funny.
who am I.

Form

Yes, your narrative is full of exactly this idiocy!

[Leyla Shen]

That's the reason I asked you the last question, you know...

[TheImmanent]

We're talking about consciousness. Did you have something to add?

Yes.

Not unless consciousness takes the time for your benefit to discern from those cliched dogmas a meaningful aphorism or two.

Arrogance is suffering.

[Leyla Shen]

Not at all. Ignorance is.

[TheImmanent]

Not at all. Ignorance is.

Arrogance is ignorance. A convoluted idea of reality is its whole premise. The idea of a separate essence in opposition to other essences. Clinging to form. Totem worship.

[Leyla Shen]

"Arrogance" is ignorance offended. An ascetic, withdrawn into a world of "no-self" has nothing to teach the living man. But nature, of course, abhors a vacuum and fills ignorance with a sense of righteousness and bliss nonetheless.

[TheImmanent]

"Arrogance" is ignorance offended. An ascetic, withdrawn into a world of "no-self" has nothing to teach the living man. But nature, of course, abhors a vacuum and fills ignorance with a sense of righteousness and bliss nonetheless.

Then stop feeling offended by an incorrect notion.

[Leyla Shen]

What makes you think I'm offended?

[Dennis Mahar]

Well,
You are looking for a formula.

[Leyla Shen]

What makes you think I'm looking for a formula?

[Leyla Shen]

I don't suppose either of you have noticed that even though you don't believe in your own existence, you're both somehow utterly convinced that everyone else not only exists, but believes they exist inherently. How do you know this?

[Dennis Mahar]

You just said 'form'.

[Leyla Shen]

No, Dennis. You did.

[Dennis Mahar]

What you said constitutes form.
form exists
it is empty

[Leyla Shen]

What I said constitutes consciousness.

All that you say constitutes form without consciousness.

[Dennis Mahar]

The argument that consciousness exists absolutely, independent of world
, where they depend on each other is conjecture.
they are not separated so

they are dependent arising.

[Leyla Shen]

The argument that consciousness exists absolutely, independent of world
, where they depend on each other is conjecture.

The only place such an argument exists is in your phenomenalist miscomprehension.

[Dennis Mahar]

Consciousness is of an object.
not separated.
object is empty as is consciousness.
phenomena.

dependent origination.

[Leyla Shen]

Yes Dennis, even the phenomenalist is "dependently originated".