Pye wrote: delusional idea that there is no world but in the mind. Such a thought is borne out of the flesh of human suffering; it rises from grounded earth (by fleeing from it). It is utterly incoherent the world is all dream and only exists in 'me' when world has to be assumed in order to say this.
World does not have to be assumed, nothing has to be assumed, assuming is the big issue here. If you don't assume, don't pretend you aren't completely ignorant, then you see the only thing you know are these flowing experiences of consciousness, that everything else, all thoughts in relation to ultimate reality, are nothing but fleeting illusions of thought, abstract imaginations with no relation to reality, a group of woven guesses, bias, dogma, bullshit. You are not realizing that your imaginations and reasoning of anything more than sensation, are nothing but imaginations, you have assumed something independent of consciousness with absolutely no valid reasoning.
The only reason you are assigning "here" more reality than a an imaginative experience is because it is shared with other people's experiences and you don't have memory or a grasp of anything but "here". Currently here.
Pye wrote: Thoughts are things as surely as any other thing in the world. Is it all dependently originated? Sure. Is it impossible to exceed our own instrumentation when measuring the world? Sure. But if you stay there, parked in the garage,
Here's the issue, you've had a thought, an imagination, thinking that just because all you know of the world comes from sensation, doesn't mean that all the world exists only as sensation.
YES IT DOES. <
You have only had a few fleeting illusory thoughts, completely forgetting how deeply ignorant you are, then assumed that the objects you see somehow correlate to a world independent of seeing! How did you jump here? Seriously do you even have a reason? You, like everyone else, is assuming consciousness is a result of the physical world, when instead there is no physical world outside of consciousness, what is seen.
Pye wrote: It rises from the earth, from the fleshly, from the whole of all this dependently originated phenomena. The physical is the spiritual; the matter and the energy
And what is the earth? What is flesh? What is matter and energy? You have no clue! When you think of these things all you have is another abstract imagination, maybe picturing some electricity in your mind for energy lol, All these things are nothing but labels for the particular manifestations your sensations! In other words,
all these objects and things you think are different, external, independent, or physical, are actually nothing more than manifestations of the same changing sight/feeling/sensation.
The whole universe = Sensation, understand?
Your room, you seeing it, your body, your feeling it, all that exists are these feelings flowing, your reasoning for thinking your consciousness is a result of your fleshy body is completely flawed, the body exists only so far as the sensations go.
Your body and existence, which is actually sensual experience and is encompassed by sensual experience, existing only as appearances and projections, arose through the projection of "other people's" experiences. All arising from whatever you want to call that stuff you see while dreaming. Imaginative experience, nothing more, anything more is just another imagination, see.
Stop assigning "more reality" to here.
I understand that this is more complex then we understand, meaning I don't presume to know why or how our experiences are interconnected and shared, or why we experience illusions of body and world such as we do, why they can be apparently consistent or apparently inconsistent, why our memory is the way it is, that's just how things are, the knowledge you have of anything more is just another of those imaginations. The point being, whatever evidence you think there is for anything more than flowing sensation, (Physical world existing when not being seen) is delusion.
