Re: Forgiveness & Redemption
Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 3:17 pm
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Discussion of the nature of Ultimate Reality and the path to Enlightenment
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As you can see the post has not been edited in any way, nor have I changed your comment in any way.That may have been good enough for you but I had to seek further. This just did not get it for me. I did get the answer I was seeking after many years.
Look I'm not trying to beat you up or anything else, but when you sayCathy Preston wrote:Downloaded? This is just more separation. There you go, that dirty word believe, you believe the answer will appear, and it does. The same old pattern, with a new story.Beingof1 wrote:You mean; most do not know.Dennis Mahar wrote:it's open.but the question still remains.
we don't know.
It is truly open - it is beyond conceptualization but it can be experienced. In fact, you are experiencing what it is at this very moment.
There is no question you can ask me that I cannot answer because I know where and what the source is. That is not ego - that is the truth of my experience. Once you realize your thoughts do not come from the internal wiring but are downloaded from the photon, you have access to the quantum information because you are allowing your brain and central nervous system to be used as you make choices. If you believe the answer will appear - it will, because you are allowing yourself the experience and the limitations are lifted.
You're still seeking, you haven't "found" anything.Beingof1 wrote:There is no question you cannot answer. When I read the scripture I ask myself "what did I mean when I wrote this"?
The infinite void, is not manifest it is, was, and always will be. Space is not the 3 dimensional extent that events and objects occur in, consciousness is, and all is subjective, having no thought is impossible, but the kind of thought one has is critical. I can't even say you're in denial, I think you're just not there yet.Beingof1 wrote:You are retreating into conceptual frameworks again. Your conceptual framework is the idea that there are no concepts. You conceive of emptiness and yet you have thoughts about emptiness.it doesn't depend on conceptualisation.
quit filling it with stories of 'I' and 'choices'.
This is truly the infinite field. When thought is absent the infinite field manifests. That does not mean we have no thoughts or we do not make choices - that is denial.profound silence.
Have you never stopped seeking?Beingof1 wrote:That may have been good enough for you but I had to seek further. This just did not get it for me. I did get the answer I was seeking after many years.I am that is far enough.
leave it at that.
The illusion of choice is caused by a belief (there's that dirty word again) in separation. If you truly have choice I want you to change the moment you find yourself in, make the night day, or make yourself appear someplace you're not. Seeing reality eliminates choice, one moment follows the next moment, there is no time for choice.Beingof1 wrote:Genetics certainly plays a part in tendencies but it does not determine the outcome. There are many who are born in dysfunctional families and break the chain of addiction. In fact; all the sages of history did it. Choice is what we do - it is just the stunningly obvious.on the play of causality,
even science is concluding that conditions like alcoholism and criminality are directly related to specific genetic configurations,
caused.
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It clearly implies separation, downloading is the process of getting information from one place to another. It's not that we are interconnected, it's that there are no boundaries anywhere, I can't be connected to something else, because I don't exist, and there is nothing else to be connected to, all that exists is source appearing. Belief clouds reality.Once you realize your thoughts do not come from the internal wiring but are downloaded from the photon, you have access to the quantum information because you are allowing your brain and central nervous system to be used as you make choices. If you believe the answer will appear - it will, because you are allowing yourself the experience and the limitations are lifted.
Very trueIn the ordinary/everyday world what our culture has taught us is that our self is an independent, inherently existing entity.
that the self is on its own in a battle of wits,
that the measure of the self is judged by the quantity of possessions it has.
that there are many selves sectioned and partitioned off from each other.
that reality is essentially a warzone.
that the self must shore up and exploit allies to win wars.
its such as that that emptiness refutes by showing that the self is not an independent, inherently existing entity.
Most suffering.it follows that a belief in an independent, inherently existing self is the cause of suffering.
I agree - it is but one half the equation however.the experiential recognition of emptiness opens the mind up as a new beginning or radical transformation.
this new beginning or Beginner's Mind is the restoration of harmony and peace and an eruption of love and astonishment as to how things exist.
what can be said is that conventional reality (the rules believed in within the human family)
are empty and meaningless.
As you can see the post has not been edited in any way, nor have I changed your comment in any way.
BO1:
Once you realize your thoughts do not come from the internal wiring but are downloaded from the photon, you have access to the quantum information because you are allowing your brain and central nervous system to be used as you make choices. If you believe the answer will appear - it will, because you are allowing yourself the experience and the limitations are lifted.
Cathy:
It clearly implies separation, downloading is the process of getting information from one place to another. It's not that we are interconnected, it's that there are no boundaries anywhere, I can't be connected to something else, because I don't exist, and there is nothing else to be connected to, all that exists is source appearing. Belief clouds reality
The essential nature of all things is emptiness, so a realisation of emptiness does indeed answer "all questions." Cause and effect is a way of understanding this emptiness, but there are other ways as well. Basically, any awareness of reality whatsoever is the awareness of emptiness.Beingof1 wrote:Those that claim cause and effect that leads to emptiness answers all questions are pulling your leg.
Philosopher George Berkeley said it: a life is just a dream, one of God's many. With or without God, "life is just a dream" expresses the idealistic side of the non-decidable mind-body problem, of which the materialistic side, the "American" sense of reality, is the other: the naive view that the brain through the senses perceives reality "as it is".Cathy Preston wrote:Do I exist or not? If I exist I am the source of everything.
Am I the source of everything? No, therefore I do not exist.
Please read through the thread if you have not. I do not have the inclination to answer ten posts so you can get caught up on the discussion.The essential nature of all things is emptiness, so a realisation of emptiness does indeed answer "all questions." Cause and effect is a way of understanding this emptiness, but there are other ways as well. Basically, any awareness of reality whatsoever is the awareness of emptiness.
1) If you exist, you cannot possibly be the source of everything because to exist means to have velocity/position. Therefore, you appear in existence as an observer is true. You have a body that exists is that all you are?Do I exist or not? If I exist I am the source of everything.
Am I the source of everything? No, therefore I do not exist.
Your brain and central nervous system is a very sophisticated resistor, capacitor, and processor. It is like a TV and radio waves. Consciousness is the radio waves and your brain is the TV. Your brain and nervous system slows down the spin rate of the field and creates mass. If we did not slow down the field of energy, our entire vocabulary would be "WOW". It would all be white noise of incomprehensible energy.You exist conventionally by way of the sheer force of awareness that imputes your existence.
that would be ordinary/conventional awareness.
a discriminating, analytic awareness of a philosophical bent knows your existence is imputed.
Chop wood and carry water ;)phenomena conventionally imputed is for cherishing.
a source of wonder,
much like a magician's trick and how it's done inspires wonder.
there's no point tiring of it.
generating that mood 'a wondrous display' travels nicely.
first there were trees
then there were no trees
I read the thread before I posted that. You seem to think that choice is something special, but choice is a distinction/concept just like cause and effect, and it applies to choice in the same way it applies to everything else.Beingof1 wrote:Please read through the thread if you have not. I do not have the inclination to answer ten posts so you can get caught up on the discussion.jupiviv wrote:The essential nature of all things is emptiness, so a realisation of emptiness does indeed answer "all questions." Cause and effect is a way of understanding this emptiness, but there are other ways as well. Basically, any awareness of reality whatsoever is the awareness of emptiness.
To have velocity/position equals relativity, to not inherently exist but exist only conditionally. That which is real or absolutely exist must be the source of all things, thereby relative to no-thing nor nothing.Beingof1 wrote:1) If you exist, you cannot possibly be the source of everything because to exist means to have velocity/position. Therefore, you appear in existence as an observer is true. You have a body that exists is that all you are?
2) What is outside of your consciousness? Is there a universe that appears or manifests without you knowing it?
A particle of mass of any kind does not exist until you focus on it. A particle is stretched to the infinite dimension in the virtual field until you are aware of it and then it 'exists'.
A=A
You seem to think consciousness is something special, it's not, it's just as dependent on conditions as the body is.Something mysteriously formed,
Born before heaven and Earth.
In the silence and the void,
Standing alone and unchanging,
Ever present and in motion.
Perhaps it is the mother of ten
thousand things.
I do not know its name
Call it Tao.
For lack of a better word, I call it great.
Tao Te Ching
Who or what makes choice?I read the thread before I posted that. You seem to think that choice is something special, but choice is a distinction/concept just like cause and effect, and it applies to choice in the same way it applies to everything else.
To have velocity/position equals relativity, to not inherently exist but exist only conditionally. That which is real or absolutely exist must be the source of all things, thereby relative to no-thing nor nothing.
If what you said is true - cause and effect is insufficient by about 10,000 lightyears in answering the conundrum.Observer and Observed are dependent on one another, they arise together, one does not appear without the other, there is no I appearing in existence because we arise together, I (observer) and the world (observed) are inseparable and where it all arises from is unknowable.
Show me how you can have conditions or cause and effect without consciousness.You seem to think consciousness is something special, it's not, it's just as dependent on conditions as the body is.
What do homosexuality and copulation have to do with this? Surely you don't mean that all passive people are homosexual - in fact most of the passive people who I know are straight.Cory Duchesne wrote:
The passive want forgiveness (sameness, outer-belonging, homosexuality). The valiant push for redemption (inner-quest, synthesis of new with old, copulation).
If you define choice as a distinction between what you choose and what you do not choose, or what you value and do not value, then that distinction can be made by a conscious mind.Beingof1 wrote:Who or what makes choice?
And that is why philosophy must take the lead with metaphysical understanding leading to the paradigm of spirituality. We cannot escape our experience, that is to attempt the futile and results in delusion. We can come to understanding as all the great sages of mankind have taught.Scientists understand dependent arising, they can identify what comes from which causes.
They know that things depend on the amassing of their constituent parts and their causes.
they do not recognise that phenomena are also dependent arisings in the sense of being imputed by thought.
their expertise lies with the temporary, immediate causes, not with the more distant and deeper causes of things.
A photon is both "pieces and parts" and a wave all at the same time. If you measure electromagnetic force, the magnitude of the force is F = qvB sinθ where θ is the angle < 180 degrees between the velocity and the magnetic field.you will find upon analysis that the photon is merely imputed on pieces and parts that constitute 'photon'.
If you were looking at a movie - frame by frame - you would be inclined to measure the single frame as a set of stills. you would then determine that a single frame has the potential to carry a perfect image of reality for only a single snapshot.that 'photon' is merely imputed.
it's only a name.
under 'photon' is quark.
quark is imputed upon a base.
and so on.
Let C stand for Consciousnesssome scientists, aware of an imputing consciousness scratch their heads and declare,
there doesn't look like there's anything there except names!
existence is imputed!
do you think human consciousness is the be all and end all
or
is human consciousness relative only to humans.
We construct realities and then forget we were the ones who constructed them.
jupiviv wrote:If you define choice as a distinction between what you choose and what you do not choose, or what you value and do not value, then that distinction can be made by a conscious mind.Beingof1 wrote:Who or what makes choice?
Je-zeus, Dennis. After all the work Beingof1 put into her post, you are able to reduce it down to a mere seven lines.Dennis Mahar wrote:Make a distinction between a mind that conceives of a photon and the photon a mind conceived of.
It's assumed that the photon always existed and was laying about waiting to be 'discovered' by a mind.
is it possible the photon is put there and whatever it entails goes along with it?
scientific theories 'fit' phenomena into the theory.
in time, the theory is shown up as a failure to account for the phenomena.
another theory is formatted and so on,
always moving.
We become conscious if we are caused to. Decision implies the presence of consciousness, so it doesn't make sense to ask who decided to become conscious.Beingof1 wrote:What or who decided to become conscious?