The problem found with this topic being presented

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The problem found with this topic being presented

Postby jufa » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:22 pm

The problem found with this topic being presented is found within the message itself.

"The desire to explain things is an admission of ignorance. So, the starting position is infected with ignorance. It is inevitably wrong. So, we should be prepared to recognize it as such and to revise it when it is possible to increase its accuracy."

Can a finite mind say what reality or knowledge is when everything it receives and projects is speculative, especially when it comes to giving evidence of origin? The words reality and knowledge are words of bits and pieces of hand-me-down wisdom of relativism never seen in true form, only fragments.

Should it be possible to return to yesterday, what then stops us from going back to creation's beginning and making what we deem wrong with creation right? Even if it were possible to return to the beginning, exactness of the creation could never be possible because everything in the universe is a one time occurrence. Agree or disagree with this analogy what has been stated can only be related to according to where one have been in the school of man's knowledge, and where one is in the wisdom of utilizing the gift of expanding beyond the knowledge of the Elders.

Although we have no awareness of our beginning, just by the forming and development of our physical bodies lets us know thoughts existed in us before we were cognizant. Thoughts, and thought formation began for us the very moment we were conceived into life by the activity of two different individuals merging for an interval to become one. Boom! Boom! Boom! The merging. The vibrations. Boom! Boom! Boom! and explosion took place in the two who, for a moment became one, and we became the fragmented condensed form of matter and flesh. We are who we are today because two individuals who came out of life into life in the exact same manner as ourselves, and lived within the arc of life no different than ourselves and all who has come and gone before us.

Now all this happened because of life. None of this was possible had there not been for the Spirit of Life, which goes back to the above question:

"How can a finite mind say what knowledge is when the finite cannot comprehend the beginning nor end of infinity?"

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Re: The problem found with this topic being presented

Postby jufa » Sun May 06, 2012 4:34 pm

charlesupton wrote:
Gnosis, jnana, ma'rifa is not to know Infinity, but to know that Infinity KNOWS US, to become objectified before the face of the Absolute Witness.

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jufa wrote:
Infinity is objectified in the subject of the finite. The finite subject has no meaning should its goal not be to become the object of that which infinity objectifies.

The finite subject is the Absolute Witness being it is the ever renewing, ever unfolding expression of infinite Life.

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charlesupton wrote:
'Yes, Infinity becomes an object of the finite subject, this being the origin of all idolatry. But that Infinity reduced to the object of a finite subject is also what Ibn al-'Arabi called "the God created in belief", which is a necessary bridge to the God Who is beyond all subjectivity, all belief.

The finite subject (jiva) is the Absolute Witness (Atman) only in the sense that it has no real and eternal subjectivity other than that very Witness. But the finite self-identified (rather that Self-identified) subject can't know this. When the Atman is unveiled, the finite subject no longer appears as "me", but as an object to that Witness. As Frithjof Sxchuon put it, "to the passional man, the human subject is 'I' and the Divine is 'He'; to the intellective man, the Divine is 'I' and the human subject, 'he'."

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jufa wrote:
Infinity cannot become idolatry because what image can be ascribed to life? Should infinity become identifiable by sentient mind, consciousness then must become its identity. An image cannot be place upon consciousness. What does this mean? It means consciousness objectifies itself as the object subject of itself.

What does this mean jufa? It means the finite subject is a metaphor of the invisible and exist as the invisible Principled Substance and Patterned Essence of the law of the Spirit of life. Should the Spirit of life be absent from the finite subject there could be no unveiling of a finite self because the Atman would not exist.


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Re: The problem found with this topic being presented

Postby ForbidenRea » Sun May 06, 2012 4:50 pm

The ultimate reality lies in the hoe, but, the standard here is death..Apocalypse
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Re: The problem found with this topic being presented

Postby jufa » Sun May 06, 2012 9:48 pm

ForbidenRea wrote:The ultimate reality lies in the hoe, but, the standard here is death..Apocalypse


How do you know this to be true?

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