An assertion on thinking

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Re: An assertion on thinking

Post by mental vagrant » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:50 am

movingalways wrote:Kunga and Dennis:

Both of you appear to me, to be influenced in some way by Buddhist teachings.

I will try to explain what I mean by the two aspects of Consciousness, using Buddhist terminology. My intent is to show that "shit doesn't just happen", that we are responsible, as conscious beings, to stop the shit from happening.

The Buddha spoke of Nibbana, of final bliss. Which is defined as the cessation of all craving. Craving and breath are inseparable. If you breathe, you crave food, water, comfort, etc. Man, of course, takes craving to a whole new level, as he craves material things, both of ego and of body.

Is the end of breath Nothing? No, or the Buddha would not have given it a name to signify that there is Something 'there' when the breath is not present. Bliss is Something. Hidden in bliss are principles and patterns of awareness of what 'bliss' is.

Attaining 'bliss' doesn't just happen. One must become aware of bliss, of A = A, and then, practice the principles of what A = A means to them.
Bliss is ephemeral. Not wanting more, whilst having mental stimulation is bliss for me. Only then do my senses feel calm. Sustenance of placidity - it's one way..
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Re: An assertion on thinking

Post by Dennis Mahar » Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:33 am

Reality isn't a question.
Reality is.
I'm the questioner and the answers I come up with.
If it's working out OK there's not a lot of ground Suffering can get it's roots in to.
Ignorance is the ground for suffering.

I used to be a starry-eyed kid with a knack for getting caged.

I must say,
I'm grateful to each and everyone of you for 'clueing' me in.
I take our conversation in to the World and it's a breeze.

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Re: An assertion on thinking

Post by Dennis Mahar » Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:02 am

Pam,
Both of you appear to me, to be influenced in some way by Buddhist teachings.
Yes.
I wouldn't accept the perjorative tag 'Buddhist' that gets parlayed around.
like any meme, there's pieces/parts.
some of it transformative, some not.
You have a 2 truth doctrine when you distinguish God's truth/Man's truth.

I resonate strongly with Heidegger and don't like the politics he got enrolled in.

About being responsible.
there's a theory in the margins that sentience is undertaking an endless pilgrimage.
that human being is formatted in such a way as a form that it has the possibility of discovering absolute.
human being is drenched with ambition and wariness.
it doesn't respond well to being dominated or having it's ambition thwarted.
it can be materialistic ambition or spiritual ambition.
perhaps suffering indicates a person has gone down the wrong track and conversely bliss/serenity indicates surefootedness.
I think responsibility involves ambition...cause/condition...made that way.

Did you read Kunga's link in the other thread?

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Re: An assertion on thinking

Post by Blair » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:27 pm

cousinbasil wrote:
Blair wrote:Cherry Blossoms don't mutilate each others genitalia on purpose out of spite and superstition.
Neither do most people. Cherry Blossoms also do not write symphonies.
Cherry Blossoms don't blow up abortion clinics whilst a twelve year old girl is there because she was raped by her father.
Neither do they form abortion clinics or Planned Parenthood organizations that actually do something to mitigate rampant, "ill-conceived conception."
Cherry Blossoms don't prevent the use of contraception in Africa.
Neither do they join Doctors Without Borders and try to get AIDS medicine there.
Cherry Blossoms don't inhibit stem-cell research that could alleviate the suffering of millions of burn victims.
Neither do they perform such research.

"Good news is no news."
So how's the nieces and nephews? Make sure you keep on with the keep on, regular updates, from this day to eternity..

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Re: An assertion on thinking

Post by cousinbasil » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:19 pm

Blair wrote:So how's the nieces and nephews? Make sure you keep on with the keep on, regular updates, from this day to eternity..
They're fine! I'll keep on, thanks - but no regular updates. Like I said - good news is no news.

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Re: An assertion on thinking

Post by Pam Seeback » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:45 am

Sorry for the delay in responding, Dennis, I am on the road and Wifi availability is hit and miss.
About being responsible.
there's a theory in the margins that sentience is undertaking an endless pilgrimage.
that human being is formatted in such a way as a form that it has the possibility of discovering absolute.
This is my understanding as well. Not just the possibility of discovering absolute, but the absolute certainty of discovering absolute. All things of spirit are ordered, including the order of individual enlightenment [discovering the light of one's darkness of causes]. Sentience came, intellectualism came, both are purposed "to be finished." Discovering absolute consciousness is the way in which this "being finished" happens.
human being is drenched with ambition and wariness.
Will and fear.
it doesn't respond well to being dominated or having it's ambition thwarted.
it can be materialistic ambition or spiritual ambition.
Consciousness in this eternality of sentience and intellectualism is ordered this way, the objectification of its forms that are named, interpreted, absorbed and "moved beyond." Translation, transcendence, transformation. This is why it is critical for all who desire to completely transcend their causes/conditions that every prejudice they now hold dear, even the subtle ones are excised from their conscious.
Did you read Kunga's link in the other thread?
I am assuming you are referring to “The Precious Treasury of the Basic Space of Phenomena”; I enjoyed it very much, and have a few comments and welcome yours and/or Kunga's thoughts.

What stood out for me within The Adornment of Basic Space is the following assertion: “Within the expanse of spontaneous presence is the ground of all that arises.” To me, once the absolute ground of awareness is discovered, which relates to the scripture “be still and know I am God,” one's task is to give their whole attention to this ground of unmoving absolute forms/phenomena. To practice discipline in bringing “all that arises” [causes and conditions] to its eventual death. To walk as a being of light.

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Re: An assertion on thinking

Post by Dennis Mahar » Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:20 am

So good to be with your prose again Pam.
Thankyou.

I ran into an 85 year old guy last night.
He'd been a civil engineer in his time.
Retired for 20 years.
His body bent and frail.
He'd dropped his shopping bag in the supermarket carpark so I picked his stuff up and gave him a lift home.
We chatted a bit and got around to life.
He understood the only relevant question was where do we come from and where do we go.
He had lived in the question and read everything was my impression.
His eyes were deep pools of merriment if anything.
Our tries at languaging it fell into awkwardness and we just experienced the incredibly profound silence.
'Oneness' was the point where we met and agreed and left it.
It's so obvious in those moments.

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Re: An assertion on thinking

Post by mental vagrant » Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:52 am

Dennis Mahar wrote:So good to be with your prose again Pam.
Thankyou.

I ran into an 85 year old guy last night.
He'd been a civil engineer in his time.
Retired for 20 years.
His body bent and frail.
He'd dropped his shopping bag in the supermarket carpark so I picked his stuff up and gave him a lift home.
We chatted a bit and got around to life.
He understood the only relevant question was where do we come from and where do we go.
He had lived in the question and read everything was my impression.
His eyes were deep pools of merriment if anything.
Our tries at languaging it fell into awkwardness and we just experienced the incredibly profound silence.
'Oneness' was the point where we met and agreed and left it.
It's so obvious in those moments.
What do you mean by this - reflection?
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Re: An assertion on thinking

Post by Dennis Mahar » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:28 am

What do you mean by this - reflection?
What do you mean by that?

It just played the way it played.

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Re: An assertion on thinking

Post by mental vagrant » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:02 am

Sharpened senses after the bite. Knowing there might be nothing to say?
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Re: An assertion on thinking

Post by mental vagrant » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:04 am

Are you disassociating your view to mine regarding the marriage between nature and language?

This brings to mind a new topic; separating imaginary components from rest.
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Re: An assertion on thinking

Post by Dennis Mahar » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:27 am

Do you mean the event and then the story arising after the event.
the reflection concerning the event.
the meaning gleaned.
taken from the event.

nature meaning the event.
language meaning the story (description).

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Re: An assertion on thinking

Post by mental vagrant » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:54 am

Dennis Mahar wrote:Do you mean the event and then the story arising after the event.
the reflection concerning the event.
the meaning gleaned.
taken from the event.

nature meaning the event.
language meaning the story (description).
The feeling this gives.
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Re: An assertion on thinking

Post by Dennis Mahar » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:51 pm

The feeling this gives.
let's organise the phenomena.

there's event (direct experience).
inspires feeling.
gets languaged.
story gets told to other.
feeling transmitted.
shared story/feeling.

chain of dependencies...causes/conditions.

Speech Acts inspire what?
a sense of oneness
a sense of divisiveness

Because of impermanence,
stories change, disappear, new ones appear.
mind on fire.
meaningless.

Still point?

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Re: An assertion on thinking

Post by jufa » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:56 pm

mental vagrant wrote: This brings to mind a new topic; separating imaginary components from rest.
How would you differentiate?

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